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post #691 of 1235
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Thanks Tim. I finally feel like things are starting to come together. I don't know how realistic it is, but my goal is by January 1st to have the ceiling painted and the soffits and columns done. Then the only big things left are the screen wall, the acoustic treatments and carpet (oh, and I guess I will need to install some equipment biggrin.gif ).

Thanks for the idea on the power strip. I got my MA equipment for a very, very reasonable price. It was cheaper than anywhere I have seen online. I thought I would contact them directly to find out about their custom power strips. They allow you to choose how many plugs and how many circuits, etc. I wanted to find something with two circuits on one strip. Then I got the quote - never mind. It was over $500 with 10 outlets and two circuits eek.gif. That's approaching what I paid for the rack itself.
post #692 of 1235
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By the way Tim - forgot to answer your question. They actually don't make a door for the rotating racks. I was quite surprised. I am considering making something custom with smoked glass to cover the equipment. I haven't decided for sure, but I need to decide soon so I can incorporate it into the opening.

I may call a local glass shop Monday to see if they can help me out.
post #693 of 1235
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

By the way Tim - forgot to answer your question. They actually don't make a door for the rotating racks. I was quite surprised. I am considering making something custom with smoked glass to cover the equipment. I haven't decided for sure, but I need to decide soon so I can incorporate it into the opening.
I may call a local glass shop Monday to see if they can help me out.

Right now my equipment is exposed, but it's not in the theater. I am considering making a door. I was thinking about glass in the top half and perforated metal in the bottom half. That would allow cool air to be drawn in from the bottom and the hot air exhausted out the top by the ducted exhaust fan. I just not sure how it would look.

Tim
post #694 of 1235
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Weekend update:

I got all of the chairs put together and tested. I wish I could move them into the theater, but they would just be in the way.



I also mocked up the bottom of the soffits and light tray. It was OK, but not overly exciting.





That's when I must have bumped my head, because I decided that not only was I going to round over the top and bottom edges on the light tray, I decided I was going to apply a veneer on the soffits, columns and trim. If it works out, I think it will look amazing. If not, it will be an expensive experiment.

Well, I guess I am going for it because I cut all of the bottoms for the straight sections and the lips and rounded all of them over. There were some minor imperfections in the roundover, but hopefully I can fix them with filler. I will have to take some pictures.

I also finished framing the front of the rack closet. I also painted the base flat black just in case you can see through the sides of the rack. I didn't want the bare wood exposed.

Lastly, I went ahead and ordered the paint for the the ceiling. I decided to go with Rosco 6003 Supersaturated Black Velour. I have seen it first hand and it is the blackest paint I have ever seen by far. It literally makes the ceiling disappear. I found it for $41.00 a gallon plus shipping.
post #695 of 1235
Seeing your build for the first time Nick. Wow your space looks huge! the whole area including the entertainment and bar feels like going to a real movie theater. Amazing!
post #696 of 1235
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Thanks for checking my build out Vik. I'm pretty excited about it. I can't wait until everything is done. I'm really enjoying watching your build as well. Keep up the good work.
post #697 of 1235
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Even though I got home from work late tonight, I decided to put some time in working on the theater. I find it very therapeutic after a long day wink.gif.

I pulled some more wiring to the front of the room, behind the screen wall. So far, here is what I have. I am wondering what I am missing.

  • 12 gauge pair - Left Speaker
  • 12 gauge pair - Center Speaker
  • 12 gauge pair - Right Speaker
  • 12 gauge pair - Non Powered Sub
  • RG6 Coax - Powered Sub
  • Cat 5e (network?, IR receiver?)

What am I missing behind the screen? Is the cat 5 the right cable for a IR receiver? I will have wireless in the room as well as a network switch on the rack, so do I really need a network port behind the screen?

Just want to make sure I have everything covered.
post #698 of 1235
Hey Nick,

I put a few Cat6 cables behind the screen. One for the HotLink IR receiver and two extra because ... well, you never know. Both cables are pulled to the rack which also has the house LAN switch, so I can use them for whatever. Maybe one day there will be something I want at the front (mini screen?) of the room , or some other appliance that needs ethernet.
post #699 of 1235
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

Even though I got home from work late tonight, I decided to put some time in working on the theater. I find it very therapeutic after a long day wink.gif.

I pulled some more wiring to the front of the room, behind the screen wall. So far, here is what I have. I am wondering what I am missing.

  • 12 gauge pair - Left Speaker
  • 12 gauge pair - Center Speaker
  • 12 gauge pair - Right Speaker
  • 12 gauge pair - Non Powered Sub
  • RG6 Coax - Powered Sub
  • Cat 5e (network?, IR receiver?)

What am I missing behind the screen? Is the cat 5 the right cable for a IR receiver? I will have wireless in the room as well as a network switch on the rack, so do I really need a network port behind the screen?

Just want to make sure I have everything covered.

+1 on extra CAT6's behind screen. Cheap insurance.

Also, you may consider wiring for line level powered speakers. I've encountered a few of those as of late. Seaton Catalysts are an example. Either pull the wire or place a fat, easy to pull conduit if you have room and a straight enough path.
post #700 of 1235
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Thanks for the replies. I will go ahead and pull a couple more network cables. How should I terminate the wire for the IR receiver? I did run a 2" Carlon flexible conduit through the soffit for future use. I am leaving a nylon chord in it to pull cables through.
post #701 of 1235
In my living room I've got an IR receiver at the front. I've wired cat 6 to the front of the room and terminated in standard RJ45 wall points. There are IR kits which will use network cabling as extensions
post #702 of 1235
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Originally Posted by gareth_alien View Post

In my living room I've got an IR receiver at the front. I've wired cat 6 to the front of the room and terminated in standard RJ45 wall points. There are IR kits which will use network cabling as extensions

Thanks for the info. Can anyone recommend an IR receiver?
post #703 of 1235
I use a HotLink Pro setup in my family room. I've been very happy with it. The Hotlink XL is the one you would use with a Cat5 cable to run between the receiver and emitters.
post #704 of 1235
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Thanks BllDo. That is what I was looking for. I hope to control as much as possible via http, but I know that for now many devices still don't have that capability.

The other thing I need to learn about is emitters for 3D. I dont' know if they mount at the screen or at the projector. I don't really intend to use 3D much right now, but I want to make sure I consider future use.
post #705 of 1235
Synchronicity!

I was just unpacking my HotLink XL box this afternoon and plugging it into the port behind my screen, and lo and behold here is Nick asking that very question!

I still need to terminate the other end, but I will let you know how it goes.
post #706 of 1235
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Thanks Andy. It sounds like this is a popular unit. I think I may give it a try. Let me know how it works out once you get it set up.
post #707 of 1235
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Not much to report this weekend. I spent most of the weekend doing stuff with the family. Can't complain too much about that smile.gif.

I finally finished fine tuning the curve on the front soffit. I am much happier with it now. Before it had some flat spots and didn't follow the curve of the stage. I also made some adjustments to the sides so that they are flush and all of the screws are counter sunk. Next I will be filling all of the holes to get ready for paint.



Speaking of paint, my Rosco paint showed up for the ceiling. I have a couple of questions:

1. Any suggestions on protecting the ceiling after painting. I have read several comments about this paint showing marks very easily. I want to try to protect it from dust as I finish up the theater.
2. Can acoustic caulk be painted? I want to fill the joints between the ceiling and the sides of the soffit before painting. I figured caulk would not crack/separate over time, but I didn't know how it would take paint.

I also pulled the last of the speaker wires for the surrounds. I have started mounting the boxes where I will terminate the wiring. In addition to all of the wires for the theater, I will be terminating the wiring for my whole house sound (speakers and control wiring) in the theater rack. It will be nice to have that up and running. It has been so long since I ran all of the wiring for the rest of the house, I think my wife has forgotten about it.

Wiring behind the screen wall:





Wiring behind rack. Still a mess, but coming together slowly:



You guys were right. All of the little things add up.
post #708 of 1235
I wouldn't apply any finish paint until you are done with everything except the fabric. After I finished the spackle, I put on a coat of primer then moved on to trim.

You are going to bump into it while you finish the room, it's inevitable. Long lengths of lumber have found their way into my walls, ceiling and so on.

Good luck with the rack wiring. I half-ss-d it 3 years ago and it still looks like that today. Eventually I guess I'll have to run it nice and pretty.. but I am not looking forward to it.

Tim
post #709 of 1235
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The problem is that I plan to paint the sides of the soffits to match the ceiling (flat black), but the underside and rope light tray/lip will be stained wood. I need to paint the sides before I can install the bottom/lip. Otherwise I risk getting paint on the wood I plan to stain. What I may do is paint the sides of the soffit and maybe a foot out on the ceiling so that I can install the rest of the wood. It isn't likely that I would hit these pieces while working. I could then just cover the wood that will be stained with plastic while painting the rest of the ceiling.

I plan to tackle the wiring mess now. My wiring closet, which is on the other side of the basement, sat in a tangled mess for years. Now that it is all straightened out, I can't believe I didn't do it sooner. I ordered all of the keystones and face plates for the theater last night. I plan to terminate all of the wiring coming into the closet in a box and then extend it to the rack. It will be much neater, plus if I ever damage a cable that runs to the rack, I only need to replace the part that is in the closet.
post #710 of 1235
Nick,

Be sure to fill any open cavities in the soffit/bulkhead with batt insulation to reduce drum effect and noise transmission. Mine wrapped air ducts, so there really weren't any expanses to fill.
post #711 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Geordon View Post

Nick,
Be sure to fill any open cavities in the soffit/bulkhead with batt insulation to reduce drum effect and noise transmission. Mine wrapped air ducts, so there really weren't any expanses to fill.

Thanks. I plan to fill it completely with pink fluffy insulation with the exception of the areas that will have lights. In those areas I need to have 3" of clearance since they are non IC fixtrures.
post #712 of 1235
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Well, I think I broke the golden rule of theater building tonight, but the good news is that I was able to break the spell.

My new toy arrived today:



I previously posted that I was considering ordering the projector. I ended up going for the pre-sale because of the savings. I was hoping that I would be done with the theater before the new models are released next fall wink.gif.

You know I couldn't just stick it in the closet without knowing if it fully works. I went ahead and set it up just to ensure it was fully working and to get an idea of how big the picture would be.



To make things easier, I put the projector on the stage and projected the image on the back wall.



These pictures were all taken with my phone and the images were projected on the gray primer wall. I was stunned at the quality to say the least. I can't wait until I have a real screen (and a chair to sit in biggrin.gif).





I assume that it was on the brightest mode out of the box. Didn't bother to play with any of the settings since I don't have a screen.

One issue I did run into was that when I first turned it on, it detected the hdmi was connected to port 1, but no image showed up. I was using a PS3 as the source that was previously used with HDMI. I even tried component and had no luck getting an image. Then I tried my son's Xbox and had the same results. I was getting a bit frustrated and decided to try the PS3 again. I ended up turning on the "hdmi control" setting on the projector and then the picture showed up about 30 seconds later (while I was reading the manual to figure out what I was doing wrong).

It was a very successful test. I am quite happy with my purchase.

When I was done, I put it right back in the box.
post #713 of 1235
Looking good Nick! Brave man taking that projector out of the box. One of the hardest things I did was put mine away after testing frown.gif

I see we have the same PJ stand designer. Although yours looks a bit more professional with the sheet over it.wink.gif
post #714 of 1235
Geez, my new toy was a $60 tablet.

I suppose that projector may accelerate completion of the theater. I know it would if it was in my closet!
post #715 of 1235
Early Christmas.....I like it! Very nice. Now that you know it works, pack it safely away and use it for your motivation.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #716 of 1235
+1 on early Merry Christmas Nick!
How did your family like the PJ image on the wall?
post #717 of 1235
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Thanks for the comments all. Yes, the projector is now safely packed away and will be used as a motivator.

GWCR, the sheet is actually the foam sheet that the projector was wrapped in. I literally opened it up and didn't remove it knowing that I was just going to pack it right back up.

The kids were blown away by the image. They were shocked by both the size and the quality. They both said they thought I was joking when I mocked up the screen size with tape. My older son has a friend who has repeatedly told him "you can't get a true HD picture with a projector. It will look terrible that big. That is why we went with a high quality LCD". The first thing my son said was "He's not going to believe this. Can I send him a picture?".

Of course, both of my sons wanted me to take a picture of them in front of the image on the wall so they could show their friends how big it was.

Now back to reality....

I have a lot to do. All of my connectors are ordered to terminate my wiring. I need to get back to work on the soffits. I need to quickly decide if I am really going to try to put the veneer on the bottom of the soffits and columns so I can get it ordered. I am planning to take some time off at the end of the year and I want to have everything I need to get some work done.
post #718 of 1235
Nick - I think wood grained veneer will look way cool!

If there any issue about gloss and reflectivity of the screen brightness back onto that and then possibly your eye catching that?

I say that because my floorstanding speaker sit outside of my scope screen, and are rosenut, a dark red tone, yet I can see some light reflect off them. If I had to do it again I'd order them in black.

Possibly your soffits/columns are so far away a non issue?

btw, are you protecting for DSX and 11.x with your speaker wiring?
Now is the time, as I know you are aware.
Where would you put your wide/height speakers?
post #719 of 1235
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I have been thinking about the reflection off of the soffit above the screen. Even with a matte finish I am worried there may still be some reflection. I am wondering if I should do the flat black under the front soffit and only have the stained wood on the lip for the light tray. The sides and rear could have the stained wood on the underside. I think they are far enough away that reflections wouldn't be a problem.

I have been thinking a lot about "future proofing". I have the two inch conduit throughout the soffits with nylon pull cords to pull wiring in the future. I haven't decided if I will pull the additional wires now. It definitely would be easier now.
post #720 of 1235
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

I have been thinking about the reflection off of the soffit above the screen. Even with a matte finish I am worried there may still be some reflection. I am wondering if I should do the flat black under the front soffit and only have the stained wood on the lip for the light tray. The sides and rear could have the stained wood on the underside. I think they are far enough away that reflections wouldn't be a problem.
I have been thinking a lot about "future proofing". I have the two inch conduit throughout the soffits with nylon pull cords to pull wiring in the future. I haven't decided if I will pull the additional wires now. It definitely would be easier now.

You might consider wrapping some material onto a very thin board and cosmetically making it work into your design...trimming it out or something.

I think even with flat or black paint you will end up with reflections. Something like the triple plush black velvet or similar material will do a much better job in my opinion. You also don't have to go too far out but you'll want to test.

I painted some samples on a board and even the flatest still reflected light.
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