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post #841 of 1235
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This is kind of what I was thinking.  The reddish/brown area would be oak.  It would continue down the entire column.  Not just on the trim.

 

post #842 of 1235
If doing it like Tim suggests is not going to look right, I say do it all in veneer.
post #843 of 1235
Are you going to get oak for the strips if you go that route?

I suggested the opposite because it would be a heck of a lot easier to veneer smile.gif

But given the choice of black or veneer between the strips, I like the black.

Tim
post #844 of 1235
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I keep looking at similar as well, also good old stars. smile.gif I'm a ways off though. Check these:



Bud

The stars looks good. Bill MacKrell (Handle: bmackrell) has something similar in his theater, if memory serves. It looks really nice!
post #845 of 1235
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I seem to keep going back to this pattern.  It is Stanton Hickory.  I have seen a couple of theaters done in red.  I am leaning towards a black carpet.





One of my biggest issues is trying to vision the entire room in a pattern.  I can't really determine how much I really like it from such a small sample.

I'm going with the Stanton Hickory in wine. I think the black would look good as well.
http://www.electronichouse.com/article/gold_fluted_columns_and_coffered_ceiling_create_unique_home_theater

This may help although it's red and not black.
post #846 of 1235
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Carboranadum,

 

Thanks, I will search for his thread and see what it looks like.  It looks like an interesting carpet, but I have never seen it in person (in a full room).

 

Design1stCode2nd,

 

Thanks for the link.  A local theater owner has the red carpet in his theater and it looks great.  It is a really thick yet soft carpet.  One of the things I like about it is that it would be comfortable to sit/lay on if there aren't enough seats.

post #847 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

Are you going to get oak for the strips if you go that route?

I suggested the opposite because it would be a heck of a lot easier to veneer smile.gif

But given the choice of black or veneer between the strips, I like the black.

Tim
 

 

 


I thought about using real oak for the trim pieces to make it easier.  I will have to see how hard it is to veneer all of those little pieces.
I still haven't decided about the black.  Maybe I will do one column and see how it looks.  I just don't want to waste any veneer.
 
post #848 of 1235
If I didn't have red in the theater and wasn't a Ravens fan I would have done the black and gold. Like you said it has a nice plush feel to it and the black would be great for absorbing light.
post #849 of 1235
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Originally Posted by design1stcode2nd View Post

If I didn't have red in the theater and wasn't a Ravens fan I would have done the black and gold. Like you said it has a nice plush feel to it and the black would be great for absorbing light.

 

 

Because of our common interest in home theater, I will ignore the fact that you are a Ravens fan wink.gif.  Being a life long Browns fan, I don't think I will ever stop having a bitterness towards the Ravens.  With that said, even though my wife is a huge Steelers fan, I couldn't stand having black and gold in my theater.  Therefore, I choose to refer to them as ebony and yellow.biggrin.gif

post #850 of 1235
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Because of our common interest in home theater, I will ignore the fact that you are a Ravens fan wink.gif .  Being a life long Browns fan, I don't think I will ever stop having a bitterness towards the Ravens.  With that said, even though my wife is a huge Steelers fan, I couldn't stand having black and gold in my theater.  Therefore, I choose to refer to them as ebony and yellow.biggrin.gif

Nice! I have a Steeler friend who wears a purple shirt but yet refers to its a "Plum". I can understand your position on the Ravens. I feel the same towards the Colts. If its any consolation at least Cleveland got to keep the franchise name and records and was only without a team for a few years unlike Baltimore. Had the NFL given us an expansion team as they should have we could all be friends. wink.gif
post #851 of 1235
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I decided that I am going to go with the black between the trim pieces on my columns.  I quickly learned that MDF takes a lot more prep than a shot of primer.  I tried using spray paint and was completely unhappy with the results. Even though I had sanded the wood prior to priming, the paint seemed to raise the grain on the MDF.  I think I may need to spray it with a sealer/primer to get a better finish.

 

Either way, I was able to get an idea what the black would look like:

 

 

 

Now on to the bad news.  It looks like I am in way over my head on the veneer portion of the project.  Up to this point I have been very happy with the work I have done, but I quickly discovered that the compound curve on the front soffit above the stage is much more complex than I had anticipated.  I wasn't able to get the result I wanted at all.  I ended up having to trim the veneer at the front of the soffit at the bottom edge of the light tray.

 

Now I have two choices - neither of which I am happy with, but I am stuck at this point.  I can go back and wrap the front of the soffit with another piece of veneer and try to come up with some sort of trim to cover the joint where the two pieces meet.  Because of the compound curve, there is no way I can get a tight joint between the two pieces of veneer.

 

The other option is to scrap the whole thing (waisting a ton of money) and just paint everything black.  This afternoon I was thinking that this is what I should have done in the first place.mad.gif

 

Here is a shot of the veneer on the underside of the front soffit.  The black portion will be behind the screen.

 

 

 

I also finished veneering the rear right soffit by the rack.  I originally didn't have enough veneer to finish it and was waiting to place one last veneer order.

 

This week I am going to try to come up with a plan for the last piece of veneer on the front soffit.  I am going to work on sealing and painting the columns so that they can be veneered.  Lastly, I may wire up some more of the lights.  I really would like to stop having to use the work lights.

post #852 of 1235
I have seen MDF used in combo with veneer before. Typically it's a sharp corner (eg an ogee) between the veneer and MDF, so you get a crisp line.

With a dark stain the mdf blends in. I'm not sure what color you were looking for, but if you lean towards the darker side I think you'll be happy. You could even paint the MDF corner black to match your columns.

edit: Something like this might work for you:



Tim
Edited by Mr.Tim - 3/4/13 at 4:21am
post #853 of 1235
Nick a couple thoughts. That veneer you are doing looks absolutely awesome please don't paint over it! Pull it off and redo it if you have to. Practice first on something else or even find someone more experienced with it to help you. I did exactly what your thinking with my columns, I put a ton of work into building complicated columns with a birch face because I wanted to dye or stain the birch to have a nice finish on the grain. My first try at the stain did not work out, I got impatient and just painted them all black and now I regret it as I could have taken the time to do what I had originally envisioned.

Also on the mdf to prep it for paint, dry wall compound works really well on the end grain, just wipe it on thick and then sand smooth after it dries and it will seal the edge, then use kilz oil based primer on everything before paint and it will look great!
post #854 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

I have seen MDF used in combo with veneer before. Typically it's a sharp corner (eg an ogee) between the veneer and MDF, so you get a crisp line.

With a dark stain the mdf blends in. I'm not sure what color you were looking for, but if you lean towards the darker side I think you'll be happy. You could even paint the MDF corner black to match your columns.

edit: Something like this might work for you:



Tim

 

That's an excellent idea Tim.  That detail would provide a clear separation of the two pieces.  I could then paint the corner black.  I may play around with that idea.  The other thought I had (although I like your idea better) is to put another piece of veneer on the vertical surface and get the joints as close together as possible.  Then take a 1/2" or 1" piece of veneer to cover the joint and sand the edges to try to blend them.  It would be better than nothing, but would still stand out.

 

I think your idea is worth looking into.

post #855 of 1235
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Thanks for talking me off the ledge Cheezit wink.gif.  I was really frustrated, but stepping away from the problem and getting some ideas from others is helping.  You are right - I would really regret it if I compromised something that big at this stage.  Part of the issue is that I have had many compromises throughout the build (most of which no one will ever no about) and it is just disappointing when a major feature such as the curved soffit doesn't come together as planned.

 

Thanks for the tips on the MDF.  That is another item where I stopped after one column because I knew it wasn't quite right.  I think spending the time to prep everything now will payoff in the end.

post #856 of 1235
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One other quick question on prepping the MDF.  I was thinking of spraying the Kilz to get a better finish, but I am thinking the cleanup/mess for just a couple of strips on each column probably isn't worth it.  Do you think I can get a smooth finish with a foam roller?

post #857 of 1235
I would also give it a light sanding betweens coats as well. I actually used SW primer on my MDF followed by a quick sanding and it ended up being pretty smooth. Primer was applied with a 3/8" nap mini roller.
post #858 of 1235
I can wholeheartedly recommend this for MDF (or anything else).

Works fantastic, even on end grain. It would probably be worth the investment if you are going to do the corner of your soffit.

I just finished my woodwork, 2-3 coats of that stuff, with 2-3 coats of poly.. smooth as glass.

Tim
post #859 of 1235
The Oil based Zinzer Cover Stain (available at Home Depot) is a very good primer for MDF. Sand after/between coats.
post #860 of 1235
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Thanks Scott.  And even better yet, they sell it in spray cans so I can spray it without the cleanup.

post #861 of 1235
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but the spray cans of that product don't work very well well. Tends to come out dry and spatters. I have however had excellent results with it from a spray gun. Home Depot will tint it for you as well. You can also thin it with paint thinner for a lighter first coat. But I found a paint sprayer worked best. Might be OK, depending on details, so you can try. But be prepared it may not work as well. Then again, if you don't have spray equipment you won't be able to see the difference so maybe "ignorance is bliss" here smile.gif
post #862 of 1235
When I used the primer I rolled it on with a small foam roller, not glass smooth but very very little texture
post #863 of 1235
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Some little updates and questions...

 

I picked up the oil based primer last night along with a small roller for smooth surfaces.  I also sealed the edges on the column pieces with drywall compound.  I gave them a light sanding tonight.

 

I also began figuring out what products I need to stain the oak veneer.  I assumed I would be able to Google the names of the products, pick the cheapest pricing and place an order.  It ends up that some of the stains can't easily be shipped because they are classified as hazardous materials.  I had a pretty hard time finding a distributor (although BIG and Vik pointed me in the right direction).  I finally found a local distributor who was willing to sell me what I need.  This will be easier because I won't have to worry about shipping costs and can order a smaller amount and can always stop by and pick up more if needed.  I went ahead and ordered the remaining products online and should have them soon.

 

After calling a couple of local woodworking shops to find the Roman Ogee bit I wanted to shape the bottom edge of my soffit, I finally ended up ordering it online because the local shops would have to special order it.  Just my luck, while none of the specialty shops had it, Home Depot had one in stock for just a few dollars more.  Oh well, I'm not in a hurry.

 

One question I do have - can I spray the stain through my Graco HVLP setup?  If so, how hard will the cleanup be?  I have a couple of other HVLP guns that run off of a compressor, but my main compressor is stationary and in the garage.  I won't be able to use it to spray the soffits in the basement.  I doubt my little dual tank hot dog compressor will do the job.  

post #864 of 1235
Nick-can you drill a hole in your garage wall to route air hose to basement?
I did that, sealed around the hose for no C02 leakage into home.
I Use the air hose in basement for lots of projects now. Just a thought.


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post #865 of 1235
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I thought about that when I build out the shop in my garage.  I was thinking of running a copper pipe to the basement with a shutoff valve.  Unfortunately, I never did.  I have a mini compressor in the basement that works for most jobs (nailers, etc.), so I doubt I will run a line down there for just one job.

 

I ended up ordering the smaller needle for my HVLP sprayer.  I think it will do the job fine.

post #866 of 1235
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I decided I am going to spray the stain using my Graco HVLP sprayer.  Mr. Tim suggested using a 1.0mm tip, so I ordered one earlier this week.  It arrived yesterday.  To my surprise - the package included everything but the tip mad.gif.  Nice box, plus the needle was in there.  I contacted the seller and was told I would have to return the package to California (3-5 days), wait 3-5 days for them to process an exchange and then wait 3-5 days for another tip to come.  I decided to just return it and buy another one from another supplier instead of waiting up to 3 weeks.

post #867 of 1235
Sorry to hear that , Nick.

I ordered direct from Graco at spray-station.com (you have to call the 800 number on their site). Came via regular mail in a few days. [Edit: Looks like you can order online from spray-station.com as well. That wasn't an option a few months ago]

If I had one, I would send it to you.

Tim
post #868 of 1235
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It's not the end of the world Tim.  I wasn't ready to spray this weekend anyway.  I wonder if they are all fulfilled by Graco.  The place I ordered from (through Amazon) is in California, but the package came from Harrisburg PA.  Hopefully the next one is right.

post #869 of 1235
Glad to hear that you are taking it in stride, but it is frustrating when little things like that happen.

On your veneer, I have looked at the photo a dozen times and I think I see what you are talking about, but I don't see that it looks bad at all. My .02 on the matter.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #870 of 1235
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RTROSE,

 

If you are talking about the photo in post #851, the veneer actually isn't on the front edge yet.  I will take some closeups later.

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