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post #121 of 260
OK.

Sorry about going off topic.

-Brian
post #122 of 260
Has any HTPC user had a chance to measure input lag with this simple tool?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1068844
post #123 of 260
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Originally Posted by GenJuro View Post
Has any HTPC user had a chance to measure input lag with this simple tool?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1068844
I know a bunch of folks are interested in gaming lag, I'll try to test this out this weekend and report back.
post #124 of 260
Anyone know how I can get hold of the TMT5 trial? Their download link isn't working.
post #125 of 260
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Anyone know how I can get hold of the TMT5 trial? Their download link isn't working.

I just tried as well, their site download appears to be broken. I can't find other sites that carry their demo for download.

Joe, how is you RS40 so far?

I think i ran into an issue another member mentioned earlier. I am running a 64bit environment now, my original was Win32. In the previous setup, I was certain i could go to 60 / 24 / 24(FP) now it seems like I am stuck between 60 or 24(FP), I can't see to get a straight 24hz screen mode on the RS40.

Is anyone else running the 4xxx Nvidia able to get change to the 3 different modes?
post #126 of 260
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I just tried as well, their site download appears to be broken. I can't find other sites that carry their demo for download.

Joe, how is you RS40 so far?

I think i ran into an issue another member mentioned earlier. I am running a 64bit environment now, my original was Win32. In the previous setup, I was certain i could go to 60 / 24 / 24(FP) now it seems like I am stuck between 60 or 24(FP), I can't see to get a straight 24hz screen mode on the RS40.

Is anyone else running the 4xxx Nvidia able to get change to the 3 different modes?

as previously stated in a pm i have that exact problem. The only way i can get straight 24hz is to disable 3d in the nvidia control panel.

Also with the latest beta drivers i am still having sync issues with the denon 4311. which nvidia shows to support according to ther 3DTV play compatability page.
post #127 of 260
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I just tried as well, their site download appears to be broken. I can't find other sites that carry their demo for download.

Joe, how is you RS40 so far?

I think i ran into an issue another member mentioned earlier. I am running a 64bit environment now, my original was Win32. In the previous setup, I was certain i could go to 60 / 24 / 24(FP) now it seems like I am stuck between 60 or 24(FP), I can't see to get a straight 24hz screen mode on the RS40.

Is anyone else running the 4xxx Nvidia able to get change to the 3 different modes?

My RS40 has serious convergence issues, especially in the upper left area of the screen. Red is close to 2 pixels off and doesn't reconverge until it gets close to the middle. I can't use pixel adjust to fix it, because the convergence is off in the opposite direction on the other side of the screen, but almost dead on in the middle. Very strange. It's going to have to go back.
post #128 of 260
I picked up a Geforce 450 yesterday at Micro Center - used a $100 Christmas gift card (my relatives know me well). I'm fuzzy - do you have to switch manually every time you go from 60p to 24p to 24p FP with the nVidia cards? Since my RS40 is busted, I might just wait for a smaller Radeon 6xxx series card. I don't really want to put one of the monster 6850 or 6870 cards in my everyday HTPC.
post #129 of 260
This is the way it is working for me right now.

With 3d Nvision enabled in the nvidia control panel.

tmt5 will switch only between 24fp & 60 but no straight 24p. If you play a regular BD movie that is 24 it will change the display to 24fp

With 3d Nvision diabled in the nvidia control panel.

tmt5 will switch between 24 & 60 but no 24FP

Im pretty sure zombie is seeing something similiar
post #130 of 260
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

My RS40 has serious convergence issues, especially in the upper left area of the screen. Red is close to 2 pixels off and doesn't reconverge until it gets close to the middle. I can't use pixel adjust to fix it, because the convergence is off in the opposite direction on the other side of the screen, but almost dead on in the middle. Very strange. It's going to have to go back.

Joe, is there any chance it's CA from the lens. what pattern are you using to determine the issue?
post #131 of 260
With TMT5 and a 3DBD the X3 shows 24p FP.
But i can´t get any 3D on the screen exept the nvidia 3D test.

The TMT5 says 3D, but the screen only shows (good) 2D.
post #132 of 260
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Originally Posted by ice_71 View Post

With TMT5 and a 3DBD the X3 shows 24p FP.
But i can´t get any 3D on the screen exept the nvidia 3D test.

The TMT5 says 3D, but the screen only shows (good) 2D.

little more info on your config if possible.

Also if you press CTRL & T it will cycle from 3d to regular. see if that helps.
post #133 of 260
Setup :
LG BR drive, Nvidia GTX 460, driver 266.35 beta, JVC X3 Beamer
connected with a HDMI 1.4 cable and the JVC glasses.
TMT5 with 1.86 update

I can switch from 2D to 3D and back, with long black pause but then
the same 2D film.
post #134 of 260
did you try the ctrl + T while the movie is playing in 3d?
post #135 of 260
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Joe, is there any chance it's CA from the lens. what pattern are you using to determine the issue?

I'm using the single pixel pattern from the AVS AVCHD disc. It's a single pixel, closely spaced grid with a single pixel in the middle of each square. It's in the "Convergence" section.

It's not chromatic aberration. You can see red diverge about a pixel and a half from the line in the upper left quadrant. The whole upper left quadrant is soft because of it. The lower right is not as bad, but it's off, too. I'll post pictures in the regular RS40 thread.
post #136 of 260
have tested Ctrl T, but have von effect.

After a bunch of tryouts, i see a 3D picture, but far from perfect.
Hard to explain, some spots in the picture seems 3d, most don´t.

I really don´t know what to do.
Other people with the GTX, the JVC and TMT5 could post their
config.

thanks
post #137 of 260
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Originally Posted by ice_71 View Post
have tested Ctrl T, but have von effect.

After a bunch of tryouts, i see a 3D picture, but far from perfect.
Hard to explain, some spots in the picture seems 3d, most don´t.

I really don´t know what to do.
Other people with the GTX, the JVC and TMT5 could post their
config.

thanks
Maybe the left/right eye views are reversed. Turn the glasses upside down to test it. If it looks OK, then there should be a toggle for reversing the sync somewhere in the software (or use the setting in the JVC).
post #138 of 260
flip the glasses have no effect on the picture.
post #139 of 260
Looks like nvidia put up a site that actually has different driver versions available from what you can get at nvidia.com.

Try: http://www.geforce.com/#/

it lists a version 263.09 as the "latest geforce" driver and the latest beta @ 266.35. You can also dl and try 260.89 and other version that the official 260.99 on the nvidia site.

I am currently running 260.39, a beta that came with my gts 450 as I have better monitor management with it and fewer HDMI issues.
post #140 of 260
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Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post

Just to clarify, you don't expect the 5xxx to work with 3D, just 2D right? I moved to the 6xxx series to get HDMI 1.4a compatibility, and it worked out fine, but I have no idea whether it would work or not with the 5xxx, especially if you want 3D+HD audio. I guess I'm a bit confused between the two configs you are setting up at the moment...

I personally wouldn't expect 3DBD with frame packed to work on a 5xxxx series, especially with HD audio. Checkerboard, possibly.

Also I didn't manage to get PDVD10 to detect 3DBD and to switch automatically to 24p(FP), but TMT5 (.86) does it fine.

Just note here..

I actaully have FUll HD 24fp frame sequence running with my "old" 5950 graphics card. What I did was some registry changes to enable quad buffering (suggested on iz3d driver forum) on catalyst driver. and ran with the non-latest no so buggy ones..
did an EDID overiade so all 3D funktions where supported according to the EDID. and ran PowerDVD mkII with hdmi 1.4 output.

I tried TMT5 but TMT seems to be crappy SW!! just hung on start (I used the trial version and the latest patched from Arcsoft) on my Win7 64 PC. TMT5 seems to be poorly coded imop. Cyberlink did work OK however, so I am happy.. Maybe I will try WinDVD as well..

Anyway hdmi 1.4 output IS possible with the old 59xx anyway :-)

I was not to excited to purchase a 68xx card with similar performance, just to get hdmi 1.4 support. Now I can wait a bit and see how support for 69xx and NVIDIA play software pans out :-)

cheers,
T
post #141 of 260
Hi,

This is my first post here. I'm from Sweden so I apologize in advance for any misspells.

Yesterday I installed a Geforce 430 in my HTPC and connected it via HDMI to my JVC X3/RS40. But I ran into problems immediately

I can get 1080p 60Hz working. But when I switch to 3D HD 1080p24 the whole image becomes a total mess. It looks extremely grainy och noisy. Should it be like this?

I also can't see an option for normal 1080p 24Hz, which is a big deal for me since I don't want to run 60Hz for all my 2d movies. Is this normal? Shouldn't there be a 1080p24Hz mode showing up in the Nvidia Control Panel?

I also tried the Nvidia 3D Setup Wizard. At first it wouldn't let me finish, giving me error messages. But after switching resolutions/framerates a couple of times it let me finish (the wizard that tells you to close one eye and pick the right objects etc).

So I fired up PowerDVD and Despicable me 3D and the result was a giant mess! I could tell the glasses and emitter were working because there was a 3D effect. But the whole image looked like a bad version of the old 3d movies from the 90's when you used the plastic red/green glasses.
The JVC didn't switch automatically to 3D mode either (which it should if it receives a 24FP signal right?).

Something is clearly wrong here. The HDMI cable should be fine, because I can get Gran Turismo 5 to work in 3d without any problems.

I am feeling really frustrated by this. Any help would be useful.

Btw thanks to everyone on this forum contributing with all their ideas/info/entertaining posts. Even though I haven't posted before I've probably read a couple hundred threads
post #142 of 260
Hi All,

Does this work with the older drivers in 2D? I'm get my 40 in today but not ready for 3d yet. I want to be able to check out my projector without tinkering with the htpc.

Will 2D be able to handshake with a 1.3 AVR?

Thanks,
Patrick
post #143 of 260
Well, I'm getting closer. I've confirmed that my Octava 4x4 matrix HDMI switcher passes 3D (HDMI 1.4 signals). I also installed the Geforce 450 card in my HTPC and it seems to be working OK - though I can't test 3D until I get the JVC emitter. I also downloaded Total Media Theater 5, and I like it.

When I uninstalled my old Radeon 4850, I also used Driver Sweeper to clean out a lot of ATI driver trash that's accumulated over the last couple of years. So, the Gainward nVidia drivers installed cleanly. I do have an issue that's bugging me. When I switch to 24p mode, the software won't let me switch back to 60p right away. Very irritating, since the 32" monitor that I use for utility work on my PCs doesn't support 24p. Oddly, if I try later it seems willing to do the switch - but, I don't know what's changed. It might have something to do with the Octava, but that's pure speculation. It doesn't seem like it should. I'm using the Gainward drivers that Jason links to in the first post. Anyone who finds better or more recent drivers, please post.

So far, I'm really happy with the image quality of the nVidia card. It looks as good as my set top Blu-ray player, without my having to tweak anything. Seems like I spent half my time with ATI cards trying to figure out which pixel format settings to use, then bounce back and forth between CCC and PowerDVD video settings. I realize that could change unexpectedly, but right now I'm pleased.

Maybe the most exciting thing for me is the fact that the black level bug between Windows Media Center and Windows Media Player seems to be gone. There's no discernible shift in black level as I switch from playing things in one or the other, or between Media Center and PowerDVD, or TMT5. I don't know if the nVidia card drivers handle that better or if sweeping my system of old drivers helped, or if it was just some digital magic. I hope it stays this way, though. My Movies is back to being as much fun to use as it was before this little bug started to bite me again.

I got an Arcsoft e-mail today. They're offering TMT5 for $70 instead of $100 for about a month. Especially since TMT5 is supposed to play MPO stereo still files, I'll definitely buy it.

I just snagged an emitter from a fellow AVSer, so I'll be able to test things thoroughly when it arrives some time next week.
post #144 of 260
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Hi All,

Does this work with the older drivers in 2D? I'm get my 40 in today but not ready for 3d yet. I want to be able to check out my projector without tinkering with the htpc.

Will 2D be able to handshake with a 1.3 AVR?

Thanks,
Patrick

negative on the older drivers, there is sync issue with the JVC, it has nothing to do with 2d/3d, etc. You will need at least 263.14 as I posted earlier in the thread.

not sure on the AVR, some have had success, and others still had issues going through the AVR. I am running a split setup since I want the 3D along with the HD audio.

The only bummer now is getting it to switch to regular 24hz. If you have 3D vision enabled, the card will sync the projector to 24hz framed packed mode. It appears we have to disable it in order to get to regular 24hz. Hopefully something can be figured out to work around this issue.
post #145 of 260
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

negative on the older drivers, there is sync issue with the JVC, it has nothing to do with 2d/3d, etc. You will need at least 263.14 as I posted earlier in the thread.

not sure on the AVR, some have had success, and others still had issues going through the AVR. I am running a split setup since I want the 3D along with the HD audio.

The only bummer now is getting it to switch to regular 24hz. If you have 3D vision enabled, the card will sync the projector to 24hz framed packed mode. It appears we have to disable it in order to get to regular 24hz. Hopefully something can be figured out to work around this issue.

So it defaults back to 60hz automatically if it's in 3D mode and doesn't detect 24p FP? When I get the emitter, I'll be able to activate 3D Vision. So far, I haven't been able to, because I can't complete the setup process.
post #146 of 260
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Originally Posted by mac_hs10 View Post

so which card works with the rs40? I want it to pass HD audio to my AVR and do 3D. I am thinking of getting the GTX460 or the ATI 6850. will they work?

as far as i know right now the only one that completely works is the ati 6850.

once nvidia gets there drivers fixed they will be an option as well. One that i actually prefer but cant use right now.
post #147 of 260
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So it defaults back to 60hz automatically if it's in 3D mode and doesn't detect 24p FP? When I get the emitter, I'll be able to activate 3D Vision. So far, I haven't been able to, because I can't complete the setup process.

I am trying to remember the exact behavior, but it will go from 60hz desktop to 24FP with a 3D BD playing. When it ends, it jumps back to the 60hz desktop.

Someone mentioned that if you disable 3D vision, we can get the 24hz without the frame packing. It's much brighter in this mode, we certainly wouldn't want to watch regular 2D BD in 24FP mode which is darker.

I could have sworn I had 60,24,24FP working in the 32bit setup. I am making too many changes late at night and losing track of the progress/failures. I'll try it again this weekend to be sure.


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Originally Posted by mac_hs10 View Post

so which card works with the rs40? I want it to pass HD audio to my AVR and do 3D. I am thinking of getting the GTX460 or the ATI 6850. will they work?

Any of the 4xxx card will work (430,450,460) with drivers 263.14 or higher. Are you referring to a split video / audio setup? My AVR is only 1.3 so I send the DVI->HDMI converter -> Pioneer SC-07, and then HDMI video to the JVC projector. It works well this way so far with the exception of the issue I mentioned above with frame rates.


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Originally Posted by jjam_20 View Post

as far as i know right now the only one that completely works is the ati 6850.

once nvidia gets there drivers fixed they will be an option as well. One that i actually prefer but cant use right now.


what are your outstanding issues with the Nvidia card? There is so much information going back and forth I don't recall.
post #148 of 260
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I am trying to remember the exact behavior, but it will go from 60hz desktop to 24FP with a 3D BD playing. When it ends, it jumps back to the 60hz desktop.

Someone mentioned that if you disable 3D vision, we can get the 24hz without the frame packing. It's much brighter in this mode, we certainly wouldn't want to watch regular 2D BD in 24FP mode which is darker.

I could have sworn I had 60,24,24FP working in the 32bit setup. I am making too many changes late at night and losing track of the progress/failures. I'll try it again this weekend to be sure.

You know, that problem might go away when I'm able to complete the setup of nVision. I've started the process a couple of times, but can't get past the screen that asks me to choose whether I see a triangle or hexagon with one eye closed. I'm not going to call it a real bug until I can get do that. I can't complete it until I get the emitter - hopefully early to mid next week.
post #149 of 260
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You know, that problem might go away when I'm able to complete the setup of nVision. I've started the process a couple of times, but can't get past the screen that asks me to choose whether I see a triangle or hexagon with one eye closed. I'm not going to call it a real bug until I can get do that. I can't complete it until I get the emitter - hopefully early to mid next week.

check this out, a good review on the GT430 from the HTPC guys over at the missingremote.com

http://www.missingremote.com/review/nvidia-gt-430

The reviewer discusses the issues with regular 24 vs 24 3D modes and the video level modes for playback via MCE.

"For those with an HDMI display, the GT 430's default behavior for colorspace produced perfect video levels (16-235) results for file and disk playback in Windows 7 Media Center (7MC), ArcSoft Total Media Theater (TMT), Corel WinDVD (WDVD) and Cyberlink PowerDVD (PDVD) while also maintaining proper levels (0-255) for non-video content and passing blacker than black (BTB) and whiter than white (WTW) to aid in calibration. By default the driver uses RGB 4:4:4 12-bit, but YCbCr 4:4:4 12-bit is also available for those with a display that does not handle RGB input properly or sharing an input calibrated for that format."
post #150 of 260
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post
check this out, a good review on the GT430 from the HTPC guys over at the missingremote.com

http://www.missingremote.com/review/nvidia-gt-430

The reviewer discusses the issues with regular 24 vs 24 3D modes and the video level modes for playback via MCE.

"For those with an HDMI display, the GT 430's default behavior for colorspace produced perfect video levels (16-235) results for file and disk playback in Windows 7 Media Center (7MC), ArcSoft Total Media Theater (TMT), Corel WinDVD (WDVD) and Cyberlink PowerDVD (PDVD) while also maintaining proper levels (0-255) for non-video content and passing blacker than black (BTB) and whiter than white (WTW) to aid in calibration. By default the driver uses RGB 4:4:4 12-bit, but YCbCr 4:4:4 12-bit is also available for those with a display that does not handle RGB input properly or sharing an input calibrated for that format."
Very cool.

So it was the nVidia card (and its default behavior) that solved that problem for me. That makes it worth the price of admission all by itself. I'm sure it's possible to get things working properly with AMD cards, too, but for God knows what reason it always got screwed up without my knowing how, or how to fix it.
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