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post #1 of 15
12/29/10 at 1:46am
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Hi I'm new here but have done some reading throughout the forums. I was wondering if anyone could help me. I'm going to purchase a new LCD HDTV with the main purpose to play COD Black Ops and some TV watching. I don't have a blueray player or a playstation 3 so 1080p is not a must. My budget is no more than $400. I need a LCD that has a good picture but primarily has low input lag because I don't want to deal with the whole he is seeing me before I see him thing. I have been looking and I've found:
LG 32" Class LCD 720p 60Hz HDTV, 32LD350
Vizio 32" Class LCD 720p 60Hz HDTV, E20VL

EDIT: I also found a Sony Bravia KDL32EX301
note: I've heard Sony tends to be laggy I don't know about this certain brand though.

I've heard that Panasonics are excellent for low input lag but I don't know if that is true. I also heard that Samsungs are notorious for being slow. I know of some older models that have been tested but they are impossible to find online. If you have any other ideas for TVs that would be great. I'm trying to get a 32" LCD at the maximum size and a 26" LCD as a min. A 32" is preferred. Thanks in advance.
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post #2 of 15
12/29/10 at 3:08am
Go with the Sony but vizio is cheaper.
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post #3 of 15
12/29/10 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by IAMMAN8 View Post

Hi I'm new here but have done some reading throughout the forums. I was wondering if anyone could help me. I'm going to purchase a new LCD HDTV with the main purpose to play COD Black Ops and some TV watching. I don't have a blueray player or a playstation 3 so 1080p is not a must. My budget is no more than $400. I need a LCD that has a good picture but primarily has low input lag because I don't want to deal with the whole he is seeing me before I see him thing. I have been looking and I've found:
LG 32" Class LCD 720p 60Hz HDTV, 32LD350
Vizio 32" Class LCD 720p 60Hz HDTV, E20VL

EDIT: I also found a Sony Bravia KDL32EX301
note: I've heard Sony tends to be laggy I don't know about this certain brand though.

I've heard that Panasonics are excellent for low input lag but I don't know if that is true. I also heard that Samsungs are notorious for being slow. I know of some older models that have been tested but they are impossible to find online. If you have any other ideas for TVs that would be great. I'm trying to get a 32" LCD at the maximum size and a 26" LCD as a min. A 32" is preferred. Thanks in advance.


Your tv input lag is different from network lag. What's being discussed in the black ops thread is all about network lag and has nothing to do with the display.
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post #4 of 15
12/29/10 at 7:16am
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Your tv input lag is different from network lag. What's being discussed in the black ops thread is all about network lag and has nothing to do with the display.

What Jitu said is true, but all of the lag kind of builds on each other. If you are getting 200ms of input lag along with the online lag, then that just compounds the problem.

As far as lcd's go. I would look at the sharp models. They all seem to fare well in the input lag tests, though the picture is only adequate.
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post #5 of 15
12/29/10 at 7:47am
Most TVs will be fine with gaming. Black Ops just has a hit lag that has been present since World at War. It's an inherent flaw in the design of the game. Even in an offline match, the lag is STILL there. I have played this game on my roomate's incredibly fast Sony Bravia HD CRT.

Getting a specific TV is pointless if you're trying to gain in advantage in Black Ops. Unless you have a REALLY craptastic TV, or have too many picture enhancements enbaled, most TV's will be fine.
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post #6 of 15
12/29/10 at 8:46am
If minimizing input lag really is the #1 thing you want to stick to 60hz sets and use the VGA connection. Keep in mind most 720p LCDs are actually 768p so sending 720p over component will require some processing time for scaling in the set.
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post #7 of 15
12/29/10 at 8:52am
I play mw2 on a 120hz samsung lcd and i am connected via wifi across the house from the router and I don't experience any issues with the tv set. I don't notice a lot of network lag either.

Black Ops is just one of those games that really sucks when it comes to lag.
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post #8 of 15
12/29/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by CoreyM View Post

If minimizing input lag really is the #1 thing you want to stick to 60hz sets and use the VGA connection. Keep in mind most 720p LCDs are actually 768p so sending 720p over component will require some processing time for scaling in the set.

Good advice. Also using VGA will allow him to send 1280x768 or 1360x768 which would closely match his new TV's native res. Best case would be get one that supports 1:1 pixel map and send 1360x768
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post #9 of 15
12/29/10 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by jitu View Post

I play mw2 on a 120hz samsung lcd and i am connected via wifi across the house from the router and I don't experience any issues with the tv set. I don't notice a lot of network lag either.

Black Ops is just one of those games that really sucks when it comes to lag.

Samsung 120hz LCD sets are known to have some of the worst input lag across all the major tv brands. Even my 60hz set in VGA is about a frame worse than others with game modes and the Samsung's game mode produces negligible results (all my lag testing was done using the RB2 auto calibration utility).

I'd also say that after testing wifi vs. wired I'll never game online with wifi given the choice. While everything seemed fine on my end I did get a few nasty comments when playing Forza about my car jumping all over the track that went away when I went hard wired.
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post #10 of 15
12/29/10 at 9:21am
I would look at increasing your budget and get a720p plasma. Should be possible for 450 or so. The CoD games(on console) look like ass on LCD, as do almost all games running at subHD. The game will just look far too blurry.
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post #11 of 15
12/29/10 at 10:14am
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Thanks for the input. I have a strict budget because I'm a college student and I am only able to use the money I got for Christmas because I still have to buy books and other things.

"What Jitu said is true, but all of the lag kind of builds on each other. If you are getting 200ms of input lag along with the online lag, then that just compounds the problem. "

Yeah I'm only asking because I know this is true. The lag from my internet connection can get to me sometimes. Adding the delay from a television along with a wireless controller can be unbearable. I heard Sharp is good for input lag but I can't seem to find one in my budget and I know that all HDTVs are not created equal so I wouldn't know if a certain type of Sharp HDTV is good for input lag. I can't find any recent info about the input lag in milliseconds for any of the new brands. By the way I know that response time has nothing to do with input lag. I just don't want to have an excuse when I lose. If you guys could come up with more suggestions that would be great. Thanks.
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post #12 of 15
12/29/10 at 10:32am
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Samsung 120hz LCD sets are known to have some of the worst input lag across all the major tv brands. Even my 60hz set in VGA is about a frame worse than others with game modes and the Samsung's game mode produces negligible results (all my lag testing was done using the RB2 auto calibration utility).

I'd also say that after testing wifi vs. wired I'll never game online with wifi given the choice. While everything seemed fine on my end I did get a few nasty comments when playing Forza about my car jumping all over the track that went away when I went hard wired.

Well then I must have the worst case scenario possible. FPS game played over wifi with a wireless controller across the room and on a tv thats said to have the worst input lag and yet I have not had any problem with this setup.

Now, I also have xbox 360 hooked up to my pioneer elite plasma and the xbox 360 is wired to my router and black ops isn't forgiving. I don't want this to turn into another black ops thread but the op wanted to know about a tv to play black ops and from my experience the tv isn't an issue. Get a plasma or an lcd or an led or a crt. Whatever fits your price range will work fine. My 2 cents.
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post #13 of 15
12/29/10 at 10:42am
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I think it also has to do with what type of player you are too. I'm a run an gun type of player that can't afford to have too many lag issues when dealing with the campers that play this game. I don't think lag will effect campers as much as run and gun players.
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post #14 of 15
12/29/10 at 10:53am
Your best bet is to get the specific model # and search to see if there are any published lag results. The only ones that I would consider are those that used a CRT monitor to take the offset or those that use the RB2 auto calibration with the guitar (not the ones where people manually calibrate because they almost always get results that show less lag than they have).

Jitu I appreciate that you don't notice a difference, in most cases the difference only is about 3 extra frames of lag from the best LCDs to the worst, as long as they are in game mode (30ms to 75ms). Without game mode though they are often 120ms+. For many this is not an issue but if it is a primary purchasing criteria I would look for published results from reliable sources.

If plasma is an option it does seem to be the best bet.
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post #15 of 15
12/29/10 at 11:10am
I'm a run and gun player that has zero issues with any TV I play with, as long as the Game Mode is decent.

Just get a TV, use Game Mode, and enjoy. If you can't even deal with that, I highly doubt a zero lag TV is gonna help your skill improve.
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