PS3 Now Open, Jailbroken, whatever you want to call it! - Page 5

Actually, there are no "problems" like you would suggest, Sony filed for a motion to dismiss, with their story why, but that's a pretty normal request from the defense. It's part of the process, not a "problem". Part of that request used forum posting's, which kind of ruins their request that their own website, manual, and online advertising be dismissed as inadmissible.

Anyways, it's the process. So far no problems have come up, but then again that doesn't fit your story, so you ignore it.

I'm done with this argument, since you already have an opinion on it and it won't be changed. There info's out there, it exists, it's not my job to provide it to you.

I had a feeling removing OtherOS would piss off the high level hackers. Now PS3 is on the verge (if not already) to be hacked for piracy. My understanding is that these 'pro' hackers didn't care to crack the PS3 up until Sony removed the OtherOS feature and now with their work to be made public will bring on the lower level hackers who have a huge tendency to pirate.

The 360 and Wii have been hacked for a long time now and they still sustain good hardware and software sales. I think the same will happen for the PS3 but I have to admit many of my friends who have PS3s only want to play the old school roms and emulators. They've asked me how and I never did it myself (was interested though) but I know you could run most of them via Linux. My best bud still has his NES and Genesis hooked up for retro throwback gaming nights

I do not think there is any doubt that this is your bog standard US style money grab lawsuit which will only generate money for the lawyers. The main group affected by the removal of OtherOS would have been the US military (and similar organizations) that were using the PS3 to build up cheap cluster systems.

The significant issue here is more to do with the continued creep of rolling back consumer protections. Sony removed features from their box retroactively which is a no-no in places such as the EU (which has better consumer protection laws than the US). If no hassle is made about it, we can expect that to become the new norm.


This is proving hard to dig up as we are talking about something from 2005 / 2006, Google's search sucks and content is often fluid (and intentionally modified when counter to the current party line). I may be confusing the PS2 tax lawsuit with the PS3:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/713/713855p1.html

But I have definitely found references to Sony pushing the PS3 as a computer:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/618/618563p1.html


http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162316...result;title;0


Since I cannot find 100% proof of the PS3 tax lawsuit, I withdraw that argument.

On the marketing of Linux argument though, while looking for the above I did come across these:

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...Sony-confirms/

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155102

Cheers

Because we pay a lot of hard earned money ($50-$60) for a game and dont want to have to buy it again should it be damaged or lost.

Its too bad that for the price of a blank blu-ray ($1.00) an official "back-up" is not included. Thats an easy fix.

Similiar arguments were made 12-15 years ago with blank CDs and music CDs. Now it is not a big deal in any way shape or form (well, maybe 99% of folks).

That my friend, is a summary why folks want to make a backup.

instead of just throwing out there that there are emulators (which I've never seen for the 360), it'd be nice to back it up. links?

Not interested in any of this for myself, but my only worry would be games that were modified to cheat online etc.

I rarely resell a game, but I suspect that this will accelerate the number of publishers using the 'one time code' to go online that I think EA was either doing or thinking of doing. At least this way, popular online games will still recoup a fee regardless of whether the disc is pirated or not....should you want to play a significant part of the game.

I agree. Unfortunately, you will now be labeled as a Sony fanboy for expressing this opinion.


But will it affect them? I ask this in all seriousness. If the US military and other orginizations are using the PS3 for cheap cluster systems, won't they still have that ability if they don't download the update? Yes, they'll no longer be able to play newer games or BluRays, but it doesn't sound like they were using those features to begin with.


And (for reasons that I won't go into detail about here) I'm ok with that. As a consumer, I feel that the positives outweigh the negatives.


I appreciate the effort! It's refreshing to see someone back up their statements with links, rather than resorting to name-calling and "argument by .jpg"


I think the crucial part in the marketing argument is going to come down to what actually constitutes "marketing". SCEA has admitted that there are plenty of quotes floating around (even from Ken) about the amazing capabilities of OtherOS. They've admitted that info about OtherOs can be found in the manual, or in the online users manual. What they claim is that those things do not constitute marketing (which is what the original complaint IS claiming.)

Personally, I don't think it's a very strong argument on it's own, however this line of arguing exists solely because of the claims made in the original complaint.

They are built with XDK so you generall won't find them just by googling. If you know how to use mIRC you can get them on #xbins.

Tutorial on how to use xbins.

http://www.xboxscene.com/articles/xbins.php

i hope these super nerds don't invade black ops or in the future killzone 3

We share the same sentiments, thread should be locked and closed.

welp, looks like they work pretty fast...

Thanks to the tools made by the fail0verflow team (and thanks to sven in particular for his work on the pkg/unpkg tools), the first “Custom Firmware” is now available for the PS3!

I see a lot of questions coming up really fast on my Twitter account, so here are the basic things you need to know :

Because of legal/copyright issues, I will not provide the custom firmware to anyone, however, I’ve made available all the tools necessary to transform an Official firmware update, into a custom one, just grab my ps3utils repository from github, compile, then run :

./create_cfw.sh PS3UPDATE.PUP CFW.PUP


This will take the official firmware, unpack it, modify it, then repack it correctly (requires you to install ps3tools).

This requires Linux of course, but I’m sure others will do it for the masses and illegally release those files somewhere.

The advantage here is that you can do it for any firmware, if you want to keep version 3.41, then give it the 3.41 update, if you are on 3.55 already and can’t downgrade, then run the script on the official 3.55 firmware and it will create a modified 3.55 firmware.

You can put the file in a USB drive under the filename “PS3/UPDATE/PS3UPDAT.PUP” and then go to system update in the XMB, and it will allow you to install the update (even if you’re already on 3.55).

People are asking what are the features of this firmware, it’s simple, all it does is to add those “Install Package Files” options to the Game section of the XMB. It doesn’t do anything else!

This firmware will not allow you to run the currently available homebrew application. Once the homebrew developers re-package their files in a ‘retail’ .pkg format with signed executable, then it will work (this should be coming soon thanks to the work of the fail0verflow team).

Since the kernel is left unmodified, this means that this custom firmware is really meant for future homebrew installation, and it will not allow piracy. I plan on keeping it that way.

This is just the first attempt at custom firmware, and it only contains a minor modification to allow you to install pkg files directly, eventually we’ll get some more options added to it in the future. This is just starting to get interesting!

p.s: Thanks to everyone who helped make this possible!

Enjoy!
KaKaRoTo


http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/2011/0...e-now-working/

Sony cannot state that they didn't publish any details on the OtherOs functionality.

http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html

There it is. Note that they have added text indicating that it is no longer available.

That was never the claim. The complainants in the class action say that they marketed it. SCEA says they didn't.

The devil is in the details. They have discussed and demoed the feature at conventions and with the press, and they have information about it on their website and in the manual (both online and physical). These facts they've never denied. However they did NOT "market" OtherOs to consumers in commercials, mass-market campaigns, or even on the packaging.

The distinction is made because of the claims made in the original complaint that argues that the original 5 plaintiffs purchased the PS3 because OtherOS was marketed to them.

An online manual is obviously not marketing, but can convention hoopla be considered marketing? - even when those same features aren't mentioned in commercials, promotional material, the promotional section of the website, or even on the packaging? The courts will have to decide that.

From the bottom of that page:

To use the Linux operating system, you must update the PS3 system software to version 1.60 or later.

Did the first PS3s start out with firmware 1.60? Because if they didn't, it was an added feature which was later removed.

From Wikipedia, it would seem that 1.60 was released on March 22, 2007 which was 4 months after the system came out.

From wiki, Sony stated "It was fully intended that you, a PS3 owner, could play games, watch movies, view photos, listen to music, and run a full-featured Linux operating system that transforms your PS3 into a home computer."

They also had the OtherOS feature linked on their official ps website but then later broke the link from their normal PS3 pages. I came across the OtherOS page as it was still available. Surprised to hear it's still there.

Sony removing this feature was their wrong doing. After promoting it, like PS2 BC, they went ahead and removed it. It seems the best Sony products are always the launch ones when they are fully featured because revisions over time seem to lose functionality. Probably a cost analysis was done and they realized not many people want a feature that costs Sony money (i.e. PS2 BC). Personally, I can understand removing PS2 BC (although I really wanted that feature and I bought a 40gb nonBC PS3 hoping it'd come with a firmware update. But I don't understand them removing OtherOS altogether. Maybe they really feared piracy and figured it'd cost them more to leave it in than remove it. I think it's shady they removed it in fat PS3s that had the feature from the get go. Even if the 1st PS3s didn't have this feature from the get go, MANY PS3s were sold with the updated firmware having the OtherOS feature active. I think even my PS3 manual even mentions the OtherOS feature but very vaguely. Kind of reminds me of launch FW 1.0 PSPs having the ability to run homebrew apps until Sony realized that was a big mistake and closed that up with a new FW update, but 1.0 PSPs only sold in Japan from what I remember. What's also strange is how Sony pushed a Linux kit for the PS2, tooted the OtherOS feature and Linux installed in PS3s and now 100% turned the other way around wanting nothing to do with Linux. I don't use Linux. I only wanted to install it to run some homebrew apps and emulators for retro gaming.

looking forward to useful hacks and features for XMB.

1 better web browser
2 better XMB customizations
- remove external hard drive discrimination (create thumbnails, rename, etc)
- alternative and or improved file browser with ability to view, use and preview pic, text, audio and video in the same folder structure.
3 improved native file format support without requiring a media server
-text; pdf, rtf, etc.
-video; mkv, flash, other containers, etc
-audio; more lossless, etc

i dont care too much about
game backups
backwards compatibility with ps2
emulation
linux unless it's media center related

Good list, but why hasn't Sony done any of it?
I'd love to connect an NTFS hard drive with MKVs on it!

I'll never have my videos on my PS3. I have a 6TB server, why would I want to limit myself to what the PS3 can store? Even then, most the time I watch my movies from my HTPC rather than the PS3. The PS3 is a good secondary streamer, but as a primary a good HTPC with 7MC and Media Browser is a far better solution, and way higher WAF.

xmb is cumbersome, i was trying to just see a list items on my hard drive and how much space they were taking up each and I have to hunt and peck all over the place.

that's the whole point (for many of us). now that it's been cracked wide open..something like plex or xbmc would get the ps3 much closer to a dedicated htpc in terms of ease of use, skinning, and file compatibility. It can potentially be an excellent front end to your server.

That's a good point. It might be worthwhile if you can boot off USB to access xbmc, but I would certainly not want anything permanent.

Wow. That's the first time I've heard someone have a go at the xmb, it's arguably the best interface out there... Just restricted a bit that's all... And it looks like that's changed now if your game to have a play

I dont always have access to a fast home video server as I'm frequently in multiple locations.

The best interface would allow me to load my save games from the XMB.
Game > Assassins Creed > Load Save Game #1
No idea why they don't do this. Would be too awesome I guess.

I don't know if anyone wants to read my weird complaints but here:

-I've got no use for the Pictures or Music tabs but they're stuck there.
-Now it boots into the Network tab, which is stupid. It used to be either Video or Games, which are, big surprise, the only ones I ever use.
-Games can't be sorted alphabetically (srsly?).
-I'd like the shoulder buttons to do something like Page Down or Home/End for long lists.

More custom sorting options would be great, but it's far better now than it was. Not to mention that games in the XMB are far, far better organized than on the other HD console. I use folders for sorting my PSN games (by genre). Much more manageable and easier to find things. It also makes browsing through long lists unnecessary. And if you want games organized alphabetically, just make alphabetical folders (one for A, another for B, etc). But I really like your idea about auto-loading from a save game file. Brilliant.

My biggest complaint about the XMB is really a complaint about PSN generally: everything loads way too slowly since nothing seems to be stored locally. Takes forever to do a trophy sync. Takes forever to compare trophy lists with friends. Takes forever to do downloads and updates. If custom firmware can fix that, I'm totally on board.

Thats the point, a good XMB would but customizable and now to a degree it will be once the right tools are out there. I for one cannot wait, do I really need pS Store on every tab. This is 2011, customization features on any interface like this should have been done years ago.

Apparently he doesn't read many threads here or elsewhere if he thinks no one has ever had anything bad to say about the XMB. Although why he felt the need to go full attack dog about such minor and reasonable customization requests, I couldn't tell you.

I personally don't like several things about the XMB. Is there a way to create folders on the Game tab? It's clumsy to scroll through the ever-growing list of items as I download games. Just like I find it annoying that the XMB creates arbitrary categories for Video and Music. If I access my uPnP devices, it will let me see and access videos in the music tab and vice-versa...only to tell me that it can't launch them. Since it obviously CAN launch them, it's just an exercise in forcing me to go to where the UI finds it appropriate to launch them from (why it can't do that automatically, give me an option to do it that way or just launch them regardless, I couldn't tell you).

I most definitely hear you and share your frustrations.

I made the mistake recently of importing about 80GB of MP3s to one of my PS3s which made it very clear the design limitations of the XMB.

On my PC I use directories for file organization since relying on ID3 tags is both inefficient (for me) and not all files are tagged perfectly. On the PS3, everything is by ID3 which means that for any "various" albums (of which I uploaded a bunch), you end up with the artist section polluted by a gajillion single entries (one "Las Vegas Grind" compilation means 28 artist entries). You can switch to "album" grouping but this does not show the artist name which means you have to remember every album name to be able to find what you are looking for.

Also, the list lacks any sort of grouping mechanism for large lists (you cannot do things like "N -> Numan, Gary -> Pleasure Principal") so in my case it takes forever to scroll through 80GB worth of MP3s. Since it does not support a proper file system view, my original genre / style categorization of everything was also completely lost. Cleaning up this mess is not even straight forward since I cannot say "DELETE ALL", the best I can do is *maybe* group by letter and then hit delete 26 times in a row.

The XMB is designed for short item lists and is simply not suitable for anything beyond that. Game saves for example become very tedious to deal with once you have actually played a fair amount of games. That's unacceptable for a gaming machine.

Cheers

Absolutely agreed there. I want to delete my Fallout saves to make room since I have a few hundred and they're each 2~4mb. 1 at a time kills me.

yeah, i agree. all the game systems are bad when it comes to huge libraries. like on the 360, even with bumper scrolling, it can take forever to get to a group like U2 (they should at least allow you to scroll backward from A to get to Z faster than just scrolling forward from A to get to Z).

who knows, maybe the features are there for these systems that a lot of people didn't know about and just kind of buried. like when I found out about all the amazing Windows 7 keyboard shortcuts, it's hard to imagine not having those shortcuts.

i also like neatly putting albums into folders on the PC too, but I also clean up the ID3 tags.