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Yamaha RX V1900 vs. RX A1000.....? "Sound Quality"

post #1 of 24
12/30/10 at 12:53pm
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Hi Guys,

i'm getting a RX V1900 for the same price of a RX A1000 ( in my country ). I guess the RX V1900 is more of a equal to RX A2000 in power & sound.

I researched the lineage...

V863 -> V1065 -> A1000

V1900 -> V2065 -> A2000

So RX V1900 must be superior sound wise to RX A1000.... Am i right ?

I need a definitive answer for this as my dealer has just 2 RX V1900's left and I need to make a decision quickly.

If we only keep a single parameter of "Sound Quality" in mind...

Is the RX V1900 better than RX A1000...?

Demo of either is not available in my city and I trust you guys a lot...

Experts kindly come forward and help a fellow brother here...

Thanks,

Rana
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post #2 of 24
12/30/10 at 1:25pm
Sound quality they both probably very close. Function wise I would think that the A1000 would be the way to go. Much improved GUI, networking, and a few other odds and ends. More HDMI inputs is the first thing to come to mind. I would choose the A1000.
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post #3 of 24
12/30/10 at 3:38pm
I think a more accurate assessment of the lineage would be:
RX-V1900 -> RX-V2065 -> RX-A1000
RX-V3900 -> -> RX-A2000
RX-Z7 -> -> RX-A3000

Based on a comparison of the relative feature sets.
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post #4 of 24
12/30/10 at 5:32pm
I would expect the sound quality of most or all of the 1600/2600 and receivers in the same lineage to be about the same.

Power has differed a bit, but that's about all I think we could say.
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post #5 of 24
12/30/10 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by Dzhokhar View Post

I think a more accurate assessment of the lineage would be:
RX-V1900 -> RX-V2065 -> RX-A1000
RX-V3900 -> -> RX-A2000
RX-Z7 -> -> RX-A3000

Based on a comparison of the relative feature sets.

you sure about that....?

http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-am...rs-thread.html

Post no. 12 here says...

The 1067 ( A1000 in usa ) is the replacment for the 1065.

The 2067 ( A2000 in usa ) is the replacement for the 2065 (which was the replacment for the 1900)

The 3067 ( A3000 in usa ) is the replacment for the 3900

No Z7 replacment anounced.

This is really confusing... Can some one clear this up please....?

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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I would expect the sound quality of most or all of the 1600/2600 and receivers in the same lineage to be about the same.

Power has differed a bit, but that's about all I think we could say.

The RX V1900 has 130 watts & the RX A1000 has 105 watts.

So which will have more power and better sound quality...?

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post #6 of 24
12/30/10 at 9:52pm
The 1900/3900 has similar power supplies. Transformer seems to be the same size. Reservoir caps were a different size though.

The A1000 seems like it may have a weaker power supply than the A2000. Maybe they put a smaller transformer in there to save some money (transformers are pricey.)

Whether there are any other big changes in circuit design, I can't say (I have service manuals for the 1900/3900/Z7 so I can state with more certainly how they differ.)

I would expect the amp section of the A1000 to probably look a lot like the A2000 (why go to the expense of a different design there.) Not sure about DACs and op amps and such. I tend to feel they will all sound pretty much the same when not overdriven and even if they did not, it would be very hard to prove that
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post #7 of 24
12/31/10 at 12:30am
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So are you saying that the A1000 and A2000 will h e same sound even though A2000 has more watts...?!?

Also V1900 has 130 watts and A1000 has 105 watts so which one will have more power and sound superior..?

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post #8 of 24
12/31/10 at 3:36am
A-3000 has better DACs and more up to date features over the Z7

I'd pick the 3000 over the Z7 without thinking about it much
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post #9 of 24
12/31/10 at 4:51am
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post
A-3000 has better DACs and more up to date features over the Z7

I'd pick the 3000 over the Z7 without thinking about it much
buddy thanks for trying to help.....

though i'm asking about V1900 vs A1000...
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post #10 of 24
12/31/10 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post
Hi Guys,

i'm getting a RX V1900 for the same price of a RX A1000 ( in my country ). I guess the RX V1900 is more of a equal to RX A2000 in power & sound.

I researched the lineage...

V863 -> V1065 -> A1000

V1900 -> V2065 -> A2000

So RX V1900 must be superior sound wise to RX A1000.... Am i right ?

I need a definitive answer for this as my dealer has just 2 RX V1900's left and I need to make a decision quickly.

If we only keep a single parameter of "Sound Quality" in mind...

Is the RX V1900 better than RX A1000...?

Demo of either is not available in my city and I trust you guys a lot...

Experts kindly come forward and help a fellow brother here...

Thanks,

Rana

If you do not need 3D , I would go with the 1900. For the reasons you stipulated.

Cheers
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post #11 of 24
12/31/10 at 7:23am
In this country, the 1900 is about half the price of the A1000 as it's last years model. Both units have a very similiar amplifier section so i doubt you'll notice a difference or the 25w of power as it amounts to very little increase in actual volume. What the A1000 DOES have is a better warranty, GUI, improved networking and a more sensibly input/output mix including 2 HDMI outs for dual displays. if they are in fact the same price where you live, the A1000 is a no brainer IMHO.
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post #12 of 24
12/31/10 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

So are you saying that the A1000 and A2000 will h e same sound even though A2000 has more watts...?!?

Also V1900 has 130 watts and A1000 has 105 watts so which one will have more power and sound superior..?

Thanks

My working assumption is that they all sound the same until proven differently, yes.

Power makes a difference, but likely not a large difference in this case. I don't think the A1000's power is as bad as half of the 2000, which implies any difference in clean SPL level would be less than 3 dB.
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post #13 of 24
12/31/10 at 12:11pm
Hello,

I don't want to "highjack" this thread, but I am in a similar situation. I auditioned the RX-A1000 and the RX-A2000 first hand. Believe it or not, to me, the RX-A1000 sounded better. I verfied that the settings were the same on both receivers. My 20 year old son who was also with me agreed that the Yamaha Rx-A1000 sounded better. We compared the receiver with several Pioneer Elite and Denon models and the Yamaha sounded best to us. I have been contemplating between the RX-V1900 and the RX-A1000 and A2000. I can get the V1900 for $599, the A1000 for $699 and the A2000 for $899. I know that the video processor on the A2000 is superior to the A1000 and the V1900 and this is confusing my decision making. I have an Oppo BDP-83 blu ray player and a regular high definition cable box hooked up downstairs. I also have an excellent Carver 125 watt *5 channel amp that I would continue to use. I never heard the V1900, but I assume it would sound similar to the A1000 and A2000. I missed the big sale a month ago when it was only $500. Given my set-up, should I opt for the A2000 because of the better video processing, or because I already have an excellent blu ray source should I just go with the V1900? This is terribly confusing to me.
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post #14 of 24
12/31/10 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by miccar View Post

Hello,

I don't want to "highjack" this thread, but I am in a similar situation. I auditioned the RX-A1000 and the RX-A2000 first hand. Believe it or not, to me, the RX-A1000 sounded better. I verfied that the settings were the same on both receivers. My 20 year old son who was also with me agreed that the Yamaha Rx-A1000 sounded better. We compared the receiver with several Pioneer Elite and Denon models and the Yamaha sounded best to us. I have been contemplating between the RX-V1900 and the RX-A1000 and A2000. I can get the V1900 for $599, the A1000 for $699 and the A2000 for $899. I know that the video processor on the A2000 is superior to the A1000 and the V1900 and this is confusing my decision making. I have an Oppo BDP-83 blu ray player and a regular high definition cable box hooked up downstairs. I also have an excellent Carver 125 watt *5 channel amp that I would continue to use. I never heard the V1900, but I assume it would sound similar to the A1000 and A2000. I missed the big sale a month ago when it was only $500. Given my set-up, should I opt for the A2000 because of the better video processing, or because I already have an excellent blu ray source should I just go with the V1900? This is terribly confusing to me.

If I were you I would get the A1000. I doubt you need the video processing in the 2000.The extra warranty,better GUI, and networking should more than make up for the price difference.
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post #15 of 24
1/1/11 at 8:19am
Thanks for all the help Phantom. You guys are very helpful. Happy New Year!
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post #16 of 24
1/1/11 at 8:29am
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miccar you and me in the same boat....

dont need the extra features of the A2000.

but i really feel in my heart that the V1900 sounds superior to A1000. Fact of the matter remains that the V1900 is of a higher level than the A1000.

also 1900 has 130 w to 1000's 105 w.

Which one you getting ?
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post #17 of 24
1/1/11 at 9:00am
Say 105 watts gets you 110 dB SPL with speakers of 90 dB sensitivity. 130 watts gets you only 1 more dB, or 111 dB SPL (according to some rough calcs I just did.)

Not saying to not buy the 1900. Just wanting to mention the idea that the power difference may not mean much...
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post #18 of 24
1/1/11 at 9:04am
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micheal i would like to know your view on post no. 1885 by rdgrimes on the this thread ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...267744&page=63

Originally Posted by rana_kirti
feature wise A2000 wins over A1000 but is the sound that much better .?

A2000 has 130 w and A1000 has 105 w.

How much difference can 25 make...?

Please read my post you just quoted again. The answer is: it depends on your WHOLE system. Also, it's not "25 watts difference", it's 25Wx7=175W of additional total power which is available to any channel according to demand.
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post #19 of 24
1/1/11 at 11:32am
Hello Rana,

I auditioned both the Yamaha RX-A1000 and the RX-A2000 at Ultimate Electronics in Seekonk, Massachussetts. Both my son and I preferred the sound of the RX-A1000 over the A2000 and several Pioneer Elite and Denon receivers. The posters here are correct, I really doubt you would notice a difference in listening volumes between either receiver. I had both units playing fairly loud, and we both preferred the A1000. We made sure all receiver settings were exactly the same on both receivers. I don't need the power as I have an excellent Carver 5 channel amp putting out 125 "real" watts per channel. The only reason I am considering the A2000 is because it is supposed to have better video processing. Although I am not sure I would even notice any difference. NewEgg has a great deal on the A1000 for $999 with a $300 gift card. The A2000 is $1399 with a $500 gift card. The only problem is I don't need a gift card, as all my Christmas shopping is done. I would have preferred a rebate instead. I think you would be more than happy with the A1000. Happy New Year! Let us know what you decide.
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post #20 of 24
1/1/11 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

micheal i would like to know your view on post no. 1885 by rdgrimes on the this thread ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...267744&page=63

Originally Posted by rana_kirti
feature wise A2000 wins over A1000 but is the sound that much better .?

A2000 has 130 w and A1000 has 105 w.

How much difference can 25 make...?

Please read my post you just quoted again. The answer is: it depends on your WHOLE system. Also, it's not "25 watts difference", it's 25Wx7=175W of additional total power which is available to any channel according to demand.

With this line of thinking you are assuming that the 2000 will put out its full wattage with all channels driven. Highly unlikely in todays market. Few have reached these numbers with the exception being the H/K models. The only thing you would possibly notice between the 1000 and the 2000 would be extra features of the 2000. And I don't mean the video processor either. They probably sound very much alike. You just need to decide if the extras on the 2000 are worth the price difference to you. Good luck and enjoy whichever one you choose. They both seem to be very capable AVR's.
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post #21 of 24
1/1/11 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

micheal i would like to know your view on post no. 1885 by rdgrimes on the this thread ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...267744&page=63

Originally Posted by rana_kirti
feature wise A2000 wins over A1000 but is the sound that much better .?

A2000 has 130 w and A1000 has 105 w.

How much difference can 25 make...?

Please read my post you just quoted again. The answer is: it depends on your WHOLE system. Also, it's not "25 watts difference", it's 25Wx7=175W of additional total power which is available to any channel according to demand.

There's some flaws in adding up the wattage. But the main one is that I was talking about peak SPL per channel. Which is not much different if the power is 130 vs 105 watts.

While it's true that all channels playing at the same time will result in higher total SPL, that's not additive either.

Also, as someone mentioned above, these receivers are not going to put out rated power to all channels at the same time. The actual limit on clean power is a bit complex. The exact signal from each channel, and what's going on when one or more channels are hitting their peak levels at the same time and how that interacts with the power supply and the receiver's limiter circuit will determine the max volume you can achieve without clipping.

Anyway, conventional wisdom would say that you need twice the power per channel for a significant gain of one amp over another.

You should buy based on your own preference, of course. If you feel you would feel unhappy with the A1000 due to it having a lower perceived performance, that may actually affect your enjoyment. So when buying, don't let me talk you into something that won't make you happy.
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post #22 of 24
4/9/11 at 3:00am
This thread is great!

I had a V2065, but it has HDMI ports problem. I just ordered the A1000 because I feel that I don't need all the power (130Wx7). My only concern was the video quality. But after reading this thread, I don't think I need video processing. Most of my media are either 720p or 1080p .mkv files and I stream them via the Seagate FreeAgent Theater+ over my home network. I also have a blu-ray player.

Thanks to all the posters for clearing my mind :-). I think I'll keep the A1000. I got it for seven hundred fifty shipped. Big jump if going for the A2000 or A3000.
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post #23 of 24
4/9/11 at 7:33am
Hope it works well for you.
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post #24 of 24
4/10/11 at 12:11am
I actually just placed "another" order for the A2000 because newegg has it on sale. I am sure this is what I wanted. I'll reject the delivery of the A1000 :-)
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