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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

NOT overkill IMO. I went with the best I could get at the time and what Assassin recommended. After only a few short months I filled up 4 TB's and had to source more. You'll be ok with 12TB's for a little bit smile.gif

I'd better be OK with 12 TB for a long time. All of my mobo sata ports are used now (4 x 3tb hard drives + samsung SSD + blu-ray writer).
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Originally Posted by Palehorse1 View Post

To anyone still on the fence about a HTPC and building one yourself using these guides,
My wife and I got tired of the bait and switch tactics our cable TV / internet provider kept pulling forcing us to pay for ridiculous packages for the very few shows we were interested in watching so we decided to pull the plug on them for the TV service and go with a combination of over the air, Netflix, and internet TV via a HTPC. We have piles of music CD, DVDs, and Blu Ray discs here and were obviously intrigued by the capability to keep the physical discs safe while we enjoyed their content as often as we liked via Media Browser and WMC. We looked at buying a purpose built HTPC but none really offered the value or specific features we wanted so we looked into building our own. Like you we searched for HTPC build instructions and found this wonderful guide. We read the guide three times to make certain that we understood it and then took the plunge using the Sandybridge instructions. The only changes we made were to use 16gb of ram - by using a huge coupon we had found - and upgrading the CPU to the i5 variant to add the extra cores which have aided us in ripping our music and video discs but speeding up the process. When looking at over three hundred DVD's and nearly a thousand music CDs the additional power to speed those process up were greatly appreciated. We used the 65gb SSD for the primary system drive and three internal 2tb drives for video media storage. I have an external 2tb USB drive here that we are using to keep our music on for the time being but may change that out at a later date.
At first sight when all the parts showed up I was a little disconcerted that maybe I had bitten off more than I could chew but using the guide and other tips from AVS Forum members I got it up and running and installing Windows with ease. I was actually terrified that it had gone too easy and that I had certainly overlooked something or made a grave mistake. My fears abated once I got the Media Browser software installed and got the plugins for WMC added that I wanted to try. I had already started to make copies of our DVDs and storing the output onto another PC in the house so after added the new HTPC to the homegroup and setting the share properties the movies were on the move to their new home.
Obviously we fumbled around a bit as our TV experience had changed but once we found more and more features we really enjoyed our HTPC more and more. We built ours about a year ago using this guide and I can say now that if we were to go back we would suffer considerably as the HTPC just makes sense in so many ways. Eventually we will add a media storage server and build a smaller HTPCs for the master bedroom. When the time comes I fully intend to make use of these guides again as while they were a bit large to take in all in one setting they made the process painless and much more affordable than if we had opted for a pre-built unit or just picked parts that we thought would work out for our needs. With that said, thanks to Assassin and everyone else here that shared their time and knowledge as through you our TV experiences have become more entertaining and much more affordable as well. Doing the math after cutting the cable TV service off and changing our cable internet service to a business account instead of residential - faster speeds and guaranteed uptimes - we broke even five months ago via our purchase invoices and the HTPC is saving us right at around $120.00 every month.
If you are here then you have already recognized the benefits of a HTPC, so go ahead and go for it as I honestly don't see how you will dissapointed. And thanks again to Assassin and all the others that have shared so much with us. I for one, am very grateful.

I feel the same way. I'm loving my HTPC and there is no way (literally no chance) that I'd even have one if it wasn't for Assassin.
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post


I'd better be OK with 12 TB for a long time. All of my mobo sata ports are used now (4 x 3tb hard drives + samsung SSD + blu-ray writer).

I've been watching discussions like this for a while, and I just have to ask:

How much "stuff" do you need to keep forever?!! How many movies have you seen that you're really going to want to watch again?

I have about half of my 5TB filled, and mb adds it up to 75 hours. I have a very few movies that I've moved to a "watched" folder that I may consider rewatching some day, but most get deleted and, eventually, replaced. Which is one of the many things I love about an HTPC.

Granted, we don't have kids, so I don't need tons of Disney stuff (though, I admit, I have a bunch).

With what are you folks filling up 12TB???

Michael

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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I've been watching discussions like this for a while, and I just have to ask:
How much "stuff" do you need to keep forever?!! How many movies have you seen that you're really going to want to watch again?
I have about half of my 5TB filled, and mb adds it up to 75 hours. I have a very few movies that I've moved to a "watched" folder that I may consider rewatching some day, but most get deleted and, eventually, replaced. Which is one of the many things I love about an HTPC.
Granted, we don't have kids, so I don't need tons of Disney stuff (though, I admit, I have a bunch).
With what are you folks filling up 12TB???
Michael
I've often asked myself the same question.
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I've been watching discussions like this for a while, and I just have to ask:
How much "stuff" do you need to keep forever?!! How many movies have you seen that you're really going to want to watch again?
I have about half of my 5TB filled, and mb adds it up to 75 hours. I have a very few movies that I've moved to a "watched" folder that I may consider rewatching some day, but most get deleted and, eventually, replaced. Which is one of the many things I love about an HTPC.
Granted, we don't have kids, so I don't need tons of Disney stuff (though, I admit, I have a bunch).
With what are you folks filling up 12TB???
Michael

I said it was overkill (4 x 3 TB). But I don't really have 12 TB of data to use.. Right now, I have just over 3 TB of data. But you have to remember, if you have 12 TB and you are using FlexRAID then you lose a whole drive for parity. So my available space is about 5 TB, with 3 TB being used. The "parity" is invisible backup.

Anyway, I can rip whatever the heck I want and I never have to think about it. On my desktop PC and my laptop, I constantly have to at least consider hard drive space. I didn't want to do that for this machine. Also, I'd like to point out that I do nothing illegal. So no torrents for me, just rips of blu-rays/DVDs that I own.
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post
Also, I'd like to point out that I do nothing illegal. So no torrents for me, just rips of blu-rays/DVDs that I own.

I am certainly NOT implying anything illegal. I'm just curious to see why people need to rip BDs to a hard disc and then keep the file apparently forever. And backed up! There's a limit to how many times I can watch something that I absolutely loved. Needless to say, once is plenty often for most other stuff.smile.gif

And too often for some.biggrin.gif

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I could see people renting a movie and ripping it so they can play in XBMC.
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approximately how many BD rips (just the main title) could 1TB contain?
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Originally Posted by azula View Post

approximately how many BD rips (just the main title) could 1TB contain?
Untouched rips, not re-encoded, depending on the movie of course, but something like 30-40, assuming an average size of the main movie in the area of 25 to 35gb.
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"Let Assassin Help"

My team is hard at work over at our website and I am very happy with what they have created and added. Even if you aren't buying a machine from assassinhtpc and are a beginner you can click on some of the pop-ups and question marks and see some of the things that I recommend or some of my thoughts.

I really like the comment on the i7. Check it out. wink.gif

Big thanks for Ben and our web designer who have been hard at work on this. Trying to bring HTPC to the masses however possible.

http://assassinhtpc.com/products.php?product_id=4
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That is very cute.

And the concept itself is good for people who are there and not here.

I notice, however, under the i5 listing:

"Better graphics capabilities (recommended on screens 55" and over)."

I don't recall screen size coming up in conversations here about processors. Did I miss/overlook something?

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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

I could see people renting a movie and ripping it so they can play in XBMC.

Me, too. But then you don't need to KEEP it, right?

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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

"Let Assassin Help"
My team is hard at work over at our website and I am very happy with what they have created and added. Even if you aren't buying a machine from assassinhtpc and are a beginner you can click on some of the pop-ups and question marks and see some of the things that I recommend or some of my thoughts.
I really like the comment on the i7. Check it out. wink.gif
Big thanks for Ben and our web designer who have been hard at work on this. Trying to bring HTPC to the masses however possible.
http://assassinhtpc.com/products.php?product_id=4

Nicely done Assassin, great to see your site evolve since you first started it
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Originally Posted by kesawi View Post

I've often asked myself the same question.

I'm the type that still hasn't allowed myself to delete movies from my hard drives. Even if it's a bad movie I keep it. Just like movies I know I will only ever watch maybe one more time if I'm lucky. I say there's at least 25 movies I could delete. I guess there's some thing about turning on WMC and seeing all those titles there. Maybe I just need counseling??? Haha. I do have two children and about 40% of the movies I have are Disney, Pixar, etc....

Are there others like me? smile.gif
post #14205 of 15479
Let's see 25movies * 20GB/movie = 500GB.

At current HDD pricing that is say $50/TB this costs you $25 to keep or $1/movie.

Just think, you can put 25 new movies in the queue if you delete them..
post #14206 of 15479
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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

Are there others like me? smile.gif

I used to be like that. I now have a core collection of about 125 movies and 1000+ CD's that I keep on the hard drives. I assess it every year or so and add to and delete from it as I feel like.

I think eventually discs will go away and everything will be streamed and I'm fine with that. My experiences with Netflix, etc., for video streaming have been very positive and I generally will favor that approach over using my HTPC and other boxes to mainly access local media. It just seems a more elegant way to go about dealing with huge amounts of content. I prefer to let other's handle the storage and for that reason I'm happy to rent DVD's and BDs and stream video rather than buy the discs unless I want to add one to my core collection.

The thing I've noticed with having too much local media is that it removes the joy of anticipation. If I have it on hand, I generally will not watch it because I tell myself I can watch it anytime. That sort of diminishes the experience. As a kid, we waited until the weekend to go see a movie. The anticipation was half the fun. I like having to wait to get movies from Netflix for that very reason. It keeps me looking forward.
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

That is very cute.
And the concept itself is good for people who are there and not here.
I notice, however, under the i5 listing:
"Better graphics capabilities (recommended on screens 55" and over)."
I don't recall screen size coming up in conversations here about processors. Did I miss/overlook something?

Agreed. This was an error and is being corrected. He meant to discuss light gaming with the HD4000.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Let's see 25movies * 20GB/movie = 500GB.
At current HDD pricing that is say $50/TB this costs you $25 to keep or $1/movie.
Just think, you can put 25 new movies in the queue if you delete them..

Pretty much my thoughts. Which is why my mind boggles when I see people discussing 12TB servers.

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Originally Posted by Taperwood View Post

I used to be like that. I now have a core collection of about 125 movies and 1000+ CD's that I keep on the hard drives. I assess it every year or so and add to and delete from it as I feel like.
I think eventually discs will go away and everything will be streamed and I'm fine with that. My experiences with Netflix, etc., for video streaming have been very positive and I generally will favor that approach over using my HTPC and other boxes to mainly access local media. It just seems a more elegant way to go about dealing with huge amounts of content. I prefer to let other's handle the storage and for that reason I'm happy to rent DVD's and BDs and stream video rather than buy the discs unless I want to add one to my core collection.
The thing I've noticed with having too much local media is that it removes the joy of anticipation. If I have it on hand, I generally will not watch it because I tell myself I can watch it anytime. That sort of diminishes the experience. As a kid, we waited until the weekend to go see a movie. The anticipation was half the fun. I like having to wait to get movies from Netflix for that very reason. It keeps me looking forward.

VERY true! I too stream a lot. I been using HBO GO heavily. I still use NETFLIX, just not as much any more. I just looked over my HTPC and there is infact 43 titles I could remove now! Maybe I should instead of just purchasing more TB's. There's also about 15 on there that I have yet to watch.

Maybe 7 TB's is enough...
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I have another question....

Please don't flame me too hard, I'm not exactly a computer scientist. wink.gif

I was showing my HTPC parts list to a guy I work with who has a lot of experience building computers and such. He looked it over, and asked me why I didn't just buy a Raspberry Pi (not as funny after you Google it, if you don't already know what it is). I didn't know, and he showed me a Youtube video of a guy running XBMC on this tiny little $35 computer who claimed it ran "very well". He claims that if I just hook up my data storage drives to a device like this, I would get similar performance for a small fraction of the HTPC price.

Now, I'm sure these systems are not apples to apples, but has anyone experimented with a device like the Raspberry Pi for an HTPC build?

Thanks,

Matt
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MrCarner View Post

I have another question....
Please don't flame me too hard, I'm not exactly a computer scientist. wink.gif
I was showing my HTPC parts list to a guy I work with who has a lot of experience building computers and such. He looked it over, and asked me why I didn't just buy a Raspberry Pi (not as funny after you Google it, if you don't already know what it is). I didn't know, and he showed me a Youtube video of a guy running XBMC on this tiny little $35 computer who claimed it ran "very well". He claims that if I just hook up my data storage drives to a device like this, I would get similar performance for a small fraction of the HTPC price.
Now, I'm sure these systems are not apples to apples, but has anyone experimented with a device like the Raspberry Pi for an HTPC build?
Thanks,
Matt

Has he actually used one? The people that have tried it are very very disappointed with it thus far (I am staying away completely until there are at least decent first hand reviews that it is acceptable). Doubt it can bitstream HD audio if any at all. Doubt it can handle high bitrate MKV, etc. And then it can't do all the other great things that a HTPC can do that are too numerous to list.
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What can you expect from a device that has hardware more outdated than my 2009 iPhone 3GS. Yes, seriously, look up the specs of the thing, my 2009 phone is faster than it. The GUI is slow as hell, even with the default interface. The only suitable ARM replacements for a HTPC are the new Tegra 3 platforms or the equivalents from Qualcomm, and even those are slower than a Celeron G540.

So until XBMC is ported to Android in a stable version (currently it lacks hardware decoding on Android), and Tegra 3 boxes (not tablets) appear, just build your regular Celeron / i3 HTPC.

PS: It does even high bitrate 1080p, no HD audio, and only H.264, no support for Vc-1 or MPEG 2 as far as i know.
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True true and true. I told him that after I put this thing together (the rest of the components arrive today from newegg!) I'll bring it into work and show him. He has a couple Raspberry Pis, so he's going to set one of them up with XBMC and we're going to run them side by side with the same files and check differences.

Please don't get me wrong, I am NOT IN ANY WAY second guessing my HTPC purchase. I researched the crap out of this stuff and I know this is the way to go for my setup. I am really interested to see how the Pi performs in comparison though because it would be an easy way to extend the HTPC experience to more locations in the house.

Thanks,

Matt
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Should I just brew a pot of coffee and dive in? smile.gif

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Originally Posted by MrCarner View Post

Should I just brew a pot of coffee and dive in? smile.gif

Is that a trick question? Of course you should!
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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

I'm the type that still hasn't allowed myself to delete movies from my hard drives. Even if it's a bad movie I keep it. Just like movies I know I will only ever watch maybe one more time if I'm lucky. I say there's at least 25 movies I could delete. I guess there's some thing about turning on WMC and seeing all those titles there. Maybe I just need counseling??? Haha. I do have two children and about 40% of the movies I have are Disney, Pixar, etc....
Are there others like me? smile.gif
I tend to do that as well, and then have a big clean out when my drive fills up smile.gif Most of the movies are ones we bought for the kids, with a couple we've downloaded and will never watch again. Then there are the TV series, and really after I've watched an episode, I'll never watch one again (except for The Simpsons, as the kids like rewatching certain episodes). Between torrents and usenet it's pretty easy to get what you want to watch within 10-15 minutes so there really is no need to have massive amounts of storage. I have 1.5TB of data on my drive at the moment, and I only really consider 300GB irreplaceable (photos, home videos, documents, etc).
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

I could see people renting a movie and ripping it so they can play in XBMC.

I can tell you how a rental disc might get ripped at my house. Rent a blu-ray to watch at night. My son won't go to bed and we run out of time to watch it. Insert disc into laptop with blu-ray drive and start rip with MakeMKV. Go to bed. Wake up and return disc. Watch MKV movie ONCE (I only rented it, so I really only can watch it once with a clear conscience) and then delete it immediately after watching. This is all theoretical off course.
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Finished another guide tonight (have another one coming...)

Installing and Using CrashPlan

Enjoy.

Edit: Part 2 done as well.
Edited by assassin - 8/21/12 at 8:34pm
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Another one? Dam!
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Finished building the PC tonight. Much easier than I had feared, but I think have some work to do on cable management. Unfortunately the case that I bought has a gaping hole for an optical drive, which I opted not to include. Not sure what I'm going to do about that yet.

Anywho - got the BIOS configed and Windows installed. I stopped after installing the 61 updates and MSE for the night. Will try to get everything else up and running tomorrow. Maybe after I catch up on life. smile.gif

Thanks for the guide Assassin! This has been a blast!
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