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post #14761 of 15901
BruceD, Im sure he just forgot to give credit where it was due.

I have performed the above fix. By numbers, I see no change. Here are a couple snippits of my findings...

Here is a test before the fix was made. I tested using a 20mb file. I think the write delay was because my HDD needed to spin up.



Here it is after the fix... I see no change in read speed which is what we are looking to improve correct??



Here is my transfer speed now, looks as though nothing has changed. But the 3D movie (Immortals) that was having the stuttering issue seems to play ok now.



I see no change in speed after this registry edit... I feel the non-stuttering playback is just a coincidence and will continue to cause issue. I'd hate to have to replace my CAT5e cable, its running through the attic. I may build a new cable today and run it through the house along the floor for testing. Id like to continue troubleshooting and rule out whats causing my poor transfer speed. Any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

Xzener
post #14762 of 15901
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Originally Posted by BruceD View Post

Mfusick,
I find it disconcerting that you use my exact response (word for word and text formatting) copied directly from another thread here without at least saying it was a quote.
my response
I don't really care as my response certainly isn't copyrighted, but I find it unsettling you feel this is an OK activity.

Sorry I did actually originally quote but the copy paste crushed a few posts into one post that had a threads worth of info into a single logical short reply.

I was only concerned with helping him - not looking smart.

There's probably parts from more than 5 different posts , some mine, some not.

Sorry. I only edited it out cause it was hard to read originally.
post #14763 of 15901
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Originally Posted by xzener View Post

BruceD, Im sure he just forgot to give credit where it was due.
I have performed the above fix. By numbers, I see no change. Here are a couple snippits of my findings...
Here is a test before the fix was made. I tested using a 20mb file. I think the write delay was because my HDD needed to spin up.

Here it is after the fix... I see no change in read speed which is what we are looking to improve correct??

Here is my transfer speed now, looks as though nothing has changed. But the 3D movie (Immortals) that was having the stuttering issue seems to play ok now.

I see no change in speed after this registry edit... I feel the non-stuttering playback is just a coincidence and will continue to cause issue. I'd hate to have to replace my CAT5e cable, its running through the attic. I may build a new cable today and run it through the house along the floor for testing. Id like to continue troubleshooting and rule out whats causing my poor transfer speed. Any other advice would be greatly appreciated.
Xzener

Your clearly not on gigabit. Is every LAN NIC a 1000 rated gigaspeed rated ?

How about your switch ? Post the models and we can search it out.

You could try a cheap mono price cable tossed if that fixes it before you run it the hard way
post #14764 of 15901
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Originally Posted by xzener View Post

Here is my setup.
Comcast modem---> D-Link DIR-615 (wireless router)---> ASUS GXD1081 (8X Gigabit Switch)---> HTPCs (one is a host for movies, the other is located in my theater)

There was more to the fix that I just performed... I changed my "NetworkThrottlingIndex" to a 1 and reran the test... Still only transferring at 11mb/sec.

Im going to build a new cable right now and test it. By the way, its CCI CAT5e cable rated to perform gigabit networking.
post #14765 of 15901
Freaking CRAP!!!

I just built a new cable and ran it through the house... Now Im getting 85mb/s?!?! This is the speed I should be getting. The CAT5e cable running through the attic is bad. mad.gif I'm going to attempt to recrimp the ends in hopes NOT to have to rerun the cable through the attic. I will post back my results.
post #14766 of 15901
Oh... Thank god!!!

After inspecting both ends (I only had one tip left), it looked as though the server end had two wires touching each other causing cross talk. So I rolled the dice and recrimped the server end of the CAT5e cable that runs through my attic. Ran a test, and my speed is very fast now. Averaging about 85mb/s which is leaps and bounds what it was before (11mb/s). It looks like I can transfer a 45gig Bluray 3D movie from one PC to the other in about 10 minutes.... Which is PLENTY FAST to stream across my network now with no issues.

Mfusick, thank you very much for all your help. Assassin, sorry to hijack your thread with my problem, but as always, it has the most knowledgeable people lurking in here. wink.gif

THANK YOU!!!

Xzener
post #14767 of 15901
Ok, here is a question. Since I got it all sorted out, and it wasn't the HTPCs... Would you guys recommend restoring my systems to before the registry fixes that took place during troubleshooting?? I created restore points just in case.

Xzener
post #14768 of 15901
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xzener View Post

Ok, here is a question. Since I got it all sorted out, and it wasn't the HTPCs... Would you guys recommend restoring my systems to before the registry fixes that took place during troubleshooting?? I created restore points just in case.
Xzener

Personally I would. If it isn't as fast you could always do the registry fixes again.

I don't like messing with the registry unless absolutely necessary. And I am not so sure it was necessary.
post #14769 of 15901
Done. Transfer speeds still check good.

Thanks Assassin!
post #14770 of 15901

I'm still trying to figure out why I'm the only person on the planet not impressed with switching to an SSD. I have tried switching cables, using different ports (including the SATA 2 ports), and checking for new drivers, but I still get a Windows Experience index of 7.4 and a Roadkil speed of about 220 MB/s, which is only slightly faster than the two HDDs I'm using. I have an ASRock H61M/U3S3 Intel Motherboard and an OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA III Solid State Drive (SSD), and I'm pretty sure I followed Assassin's guide as closely for this as I did for the rest of the build.

I reinstalled windows on the new drive (since, of course, making a clone didn't work).

Suggestions?

Thanks.

Michael

post #14771 of 15901
Quote:
Originally Posted by xzener View Post

Oh... Thank god!!!
After inspecting both ends (I only had one tip left), it looked as though the server end had two wires touching each other causing cross talk. So I rolled the dice and recrimped the server end of the CAT5e cable that runs through my attic. Ran a test, and my speed is very fast now. Averaging about 85mb/s which is leaps and bounds what it was before (11mb/s). It looks like I can transfer a 45gig Bluray 3D movie from one PC to the other in about 10 minutes.... Which is PLENTY FAST to stream across my network now with no issues.
Mfusick, thank you very much for all your help. Assassin, sorry to hijack your thread with my problem, but as always, it has the most knowledgeable people lurking in here. wink.gif
THANK YOU!!!
Xzener

Glad it worked out.

I use your icons BTW... Very cool stuff.

Anything new coming ?

You should post icons here at AVS too.
post #14772 of 15901
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I'm still trying to figure out why I'm the only person on the planet not impressed with switching to an SSD. I have tried switching cables, using different ports (including the SATA 2 ports), and checking for new drivers, but I still get a Windows Experience index of 7.4 and a Roadkil speed of about 220 MB/s, which is only slightly faster than the two HDDs I'm using. I have an ASRock H61M/U3S3 Intel Motherboard and an OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA III Solid State Drive (SSD), and I'm pretty sure I followed Assassin's guide as closely for this as I did for the rest of the build.
I reinstalled windows on the new drive (since, of course, making a clone didn't work).
Suggestions?
Thanks.
Michael

How large is your library? That's where I see the greatest gain personally.
post #14773 of 15901

Not especially large. I have a 2TB HDD and a 3TB HDD, each about half full; recorded TV shows on one and movies on the other. Nothing out of the ordinary.

post #14774 of 15901
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I'm still trying to figure out why I'm the only person on the planet not impressed with switching to an SSD. I have tried switching cables, using different ports (including the SATA 2 ports), and checking for new drivers, but I still get a Windows Experience index of 7.4 and a Roadkil speed of about 220 MB/s, which is only slightly faster than the two HDDs I'm using. I have an ASRock H61M/U3S3 Intel Motherboard and an OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA III Solid State Drive (SSD), and I'm pretty sure I followed Assassin's guide as closely for this as I did for the rest of the build.
I reinstalled windows on the new drive (since, of course, making a clone didn't work).
Suggestions?
Thanks.
Michael

I would assume in your case it's because of the slower PC speeds from the H61 chipset (and I am assuming a basic pentium or celeron cpu) have a certain level of performance so your limited there.
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Agility is a slow SSD. One of the slowest. It uses a cheaper version of NAND that writes and reads much slower than most SSD's do. The Vertex series uses the faster NAND and the MAX IOPS series uses the fastest NAND (Toggle)
So- your seeing a very slow SSD compared to a very fast HDD- on a PC that is not very fast.

So your difference is smaller than most people experience with either faster hardware, faster SSDs, and coming from slower HDD's.

I assume most people coming to SSD have a faster SSD and are coming of a slower HDD. I also assume many people might have faster than a h61 chipet.

But I noticed a difference on my Core2 Duo machine with DDR800- so.. while your difference might not be as extreme as many with i5 and i7 with 8GB 1600mhz are seeing... you should still be seeing a good improvement.

You must be a slow thinker/user where you tend to do more things 1 at a time type vs many at once. Doing one thing at a time a HDD does not show much limits. Throw in dual monitors and start doing lots of stuff at the same time and you should see a very big difference in the speed a folder opens, a program opens.. etc...

I have a 120GB OCZ SSD in my HTPC too. I have the faster memory version. Here is a comparison in performance:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/372?vs=389

You can see there is a significant speed difference. Your SSD has the identical controller and parts as mine other than the NAND chips. Not all SSD's are equal.

But I think almost all of them should be fast enough in a basic HTPC environment so I am surprised you don't feel the speed difference more.

Are you running ACHI mode in your BIOS ? Compare you benchmarks to the ones at Anandtech. If it's not significantly different there is nothing wrong. Perhaps your just not an SSD person.

I am a very heavy power user on my desktop- and on my system the difference is night and day. Right now I am downloading- Streaming the Giants vs Packers NBC NFL game on my second monitor- Surfing AVS while I waiting for MAKEMKV to finish my disc- and also running mediacentermaster on my tv shows library so it updates my metadata on the newest stuff. I do much more than one thing at a time- and a HDD just dies and stalls on me making the experience unbearable.

The harder you work your PC the more you appreciate SSD. You should see a difference in speed. Try living with it a week and then go back. I think you might be surprised.
Edited by Mfusick - 11/25/12 at 6:14pm
post #14775 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Glad it worked out.
I use your icons BTW... Very cool stuff.
Anything new coming ?
You should post icons here at AVS too.

Ive been wanting to get back into icon creation. I created a thread here, but it never took off. I'd like to expand on my 3D icons... Just havent had the time lately. Thanks again for the help.

Xzener
post #14776 of 15901
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

How large is your library? That's where I see the greatest gain personally.

in a HTPC environment +1 here.

mediabrowser loads up and runs the backgrounds and artwork much smoother- the experience is more extreme the larger your library vs HDD
post #14777 of 15901
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Originally Posted by xzener View Post

Ive been wanting to get back into icon creation. I created a thread here, but it never took off. I'd like to expand on my 3D icons... Just havent had the time lately. Thanks again for the help.
Xzener

Well I would bump it for ya smile.gif

Throw a link in this thread- Even give assassin permission to link in his guide. It would take off for sure.

I like to see some of the newer movies or collections updated to include the newest ones. Your box set icons and collection icons are awesome !!

I also use them in mediabrowser for my folders- Like HD MOVIES, BLURAY, TV SHOWS.. etc...
post #14778 of 15901
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xzener View Post

Ive been wanting to get back into icon creation. I created a thread here, but it never took off. I'd like to expand on my 3D icons... Just havent had the time lately. Thanks again for the help.
Xzener

I would be happy to link to your icons from my guides. I think they are absolutely excellent.
post #14779 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post
The harder you work your PC the more you appreciate SSD. You should see a difference in speed. Try living with it a week and then go back. I think you might be surprised.

I've lived with it for six months. I am surprised. I was expecting read speeds about twice what I'm getting. Apparently, what I have is what I have. It's not a problem, but I think I would have been better off spending the same money going from the G530 to an i3 2105, despite the advice I got to the contrary.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.

Thanks for the info.

Michael

post #14780 of 15901
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Well I would bump it for ya smile.gif
Throw a link in this thread- Even give assassin permission to link in his guide. It would take off for sure.
I like to see some of the newer movies or collections updated to include the newest ones. Your box set icons and collection icons are awesome !!
I also use them in mediabrowser for my folders- Like HD MOVIES, BLURAY, TV SHOWS.. etc...

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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I would be happy to link to your icons from my guides. I think they are absolutely excellent.

Thanks! You guys are great. Id love to get back into the scene... But Media Browser themes as well as XBMC themes have gone different directions. My icons dont seem to be used that much anymore. I tried keeping up with themes back when Pearl released... But themes were being created with different ratios for icons.... I gave up. There was no uniformity, and my icons looked like crap stretched and skewed in such ways. I guess what I need to do is ask the community and see what they want.

What do you guys think?
post #14781 of 15901
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I'm still trying to figure out why I'm the only person on the planet not impressed with switching to an SSD. I have tried switching cables, using different ports (including the SATA 2 ports), and checking for new drivers, but I still get a Windows Experience index of 7.4 and a Roadkil speed of about 220 MB/s, which is only slightly faster than the two HDDs I'm using. I have an ASRock H61M/U3S3 Intel Motherboard and an OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SATA III Solid State Drive (SSD), and I'm pretty sure I followed Assassin's guide as closely for this as I did for the rest of the build.
I reinstalled windows on the new drive (since, of course, making a clone didn't work).
Suggestions?
Thanks.
Michael

Probably not the case, but are you sure you're plugged into one of the 6 gig sata ports?
post #14782 of 15901
Just another plug for Assassins guides. My main desktop, which functions as a secondary HTPC for the kids, has had analog audio issues since I put the computer together. It has never been able to play analog audio on many Disney movies which are blu-rays converted to MKVs. I figured it was a codec issue, but never figured it out until I sat down and went through Assassin's Shark Codec guide yesterday. Assassin has a little warning about decoding AC3 audio which was exacly what I needed.

Best (and one of the cheapest) HTPC purchases ever is Assassin's guides!
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post #14784 of 15901
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I've lived with it for six months. I am surprised. I was expecting read speeds about twice what I'm getting. Apparently, what I have is what I have. It's not a problem, but I think I would have been better off spending the same money going from the G530 to an i3 2105, despite the advice I got to the contrary.
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.
Thanks for the info.
Michael

I'd still say the SSD is more important in speed and experience than the CPU. The advice you got was solid.

There is always an advantage to buying better or spending more, but when your budget it limited you just make the best decisions you can.

personally I'd take a G530 + SSD vs an i3 and HDD. It's not a hard decision at all for me.


I linked a i3 2105 for $79 above just in case you want a deal.
post #14785 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

yeah. I have my Mediabrowser set to launch VLC as the player.
You can retain your existing mediabrowser set up and just set the external player to be VLC.
I only do this because I like how VLC sounds in stereo mixdown. In the living room- I run stereo as a limit of my set up. I have two HDMI outs from my Denon 3312 but it only sends out stereo in the hdmi pass through. I run 6.1 in the theater but only stereo on the second display.
Just go into your mediabrowser and set it to use VLC for whatever video files your having issues with. When you close VLC it defaults back to your Mediabrowser. It's pretty easy to bypass WMC player and still use mediabrowser.


Awesome, I had no idea you could do that. I'll definitely look into doing this tonight when I get home. I'm guessing this can be done from the MB configuration thing in the taskbar? Sorry for all the questions, I never messed with MB that much after I initially got it setup the way I wanted it. Thanks again for the info.
post #14786 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Chuck Smith View Post

Awesome, I had no idea you could do that. I'll definitely look into doing this tonight when I get home. I'm guessing this can be done from the MB configuration thing in the taskbar? Sorry for all the questions, I never messed with MB that much after I initially got it setup the way I wanted it. Thanks again for the info.

Yup. Just select the advanced- and configure external players. Point it to VLC. You can assign VLC to handle a certain type of media file only, example being the type your current players is struggling with.
post #14787 of 15901
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Originally Posted by bomberjim View Post


Probably not the case, but are you sure you're plugged into one of the 6 gig sata ports?

Yup. Tried them both, no difference. Also not much better than the SATA 2 ports.

Also redid the mb drivers for SATA 3.

Thanks, though.

post #14788 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post
personally I'd take a G530 + SSD vs an i3 and HDD. It's not a hard decision at all for me.
I linked a i3 2105 for $79 above just in case you want a deal.

Thanks, that's probably what I'll stay with. Though that link is VERY tempting. I wonder if I really have until 12/2. By then I could talk myself into it. smile.gif

Anyone interested in a gently used G530? wink.gif

post #14789 of 15901
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Thanks, that's probably what I'll stay with. Though that link is VERY tempting. I wonder if I really have until 12/2. By then I could talk myself into it. smile.gif
Anyone interested in a gently used G530? wink.gif

$57 G860 too... Basically an i3 2100.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441461/quick-help-i-need-advice-fast-must-buy-a-lga1155-cpu-now-crazy-cpu-good-cyber-monday-deals-inside/0_40

Here is a link for some really good CPU deals now. I am shopping and here is my results.
Edited by Mfusick - 11/26/12 at 9:22am
post #14790 of 15901
Hi everyone! Quick question...

I have been running XBMC on my HTPC since I built it a few months ago.

I'm thrilled with how everything is working, but I would like to try using Plex for a bit. A buddy of mine was showing me their new web app and the Android/iOS options, pretty impressive!

Can I install Plex while still using XBMC? Or is it a better idea to uninstall XBMC first?

Any opinons?

Thanks!
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