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Originally Posted by TxBobS View Post

When I switched to a tuner to watch TV, the audio started skipping and now nothing will play. "Video Error: Files needed to display video are not installed or are not working correctly" is the message I get when trying to watch OTA TV.

The standard solution:

WMC -> tasks -> settings -> general -> visual and sound effects -> play sound when navigating WMC - DESELECT (ie, off).

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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

I use shark on my HTPC. Works very well
+1
Check out the guide on Assasin's blog.
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

The standard solution:
WMC -> tasks -> settings -> general -> visual and sound effects -> play sound when navigating WMC - DESELECT (ie, off).

This seems to be working. No problems last night. I read about that in one of the Stickyed threads, but I thought it was talking about stuttering after fast-forwarding.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Did a little testing tonight.
5 devices at once (was playing a 6th on my bedroom HTPC). All media stored on my server.
From left to right...
Nexus 7 Tablet, Samsung Galaxy S3, iPad2, ASUS CULV Laptop, and 65" Panasonic Plasma

Added this quick movie tonight at the request of a few of you.

This time I switched it up and streamed a different HD movie to each device.

From left to right: Samsung Galaxy S3 Smartphone (Aliens), Apple iPad2 Tablet (Batman Begins), Google Nexus 7 Tablet (Star Wars Episode IV), ASUS CULV Laptop (300), Panasonic 65" Plasma HDTV (Up)

All media stored on my server



Assassin,

Can you tell me what your setup is for your server that you were able to run all 6 devices from?

Thanks
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He has a WHS2011+ flexraid server based on i3 Intel CPU he bought for $79 I think. Just like his guides describe.
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Maybe I missed his in the guides, there is so much in the HTPC and Server Guides, best money I spent. Do you know what motherboard he used? Was there a build thread to his personal server? I know he has several builds he has shown us but just wondering how minimalistic he has gone to run 6 devices. It's hard to get away from what folks say is overkill on a server even when they say you don't need much of a cpu and the idea that he is able to run 6 devices with just an i3 really makes me think again?

Thanks for your help
post #15697 of 15907
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Originally Posted by MrPictureman View Post

Maybe I missed his in the guides, there is so much in the HTPC and Server Guides, best money I spent. Do you know what motherboard he used? Was there a build thread to his personal server? I know he has several builds he has shown us but just wondering how minimalistic he has gone to run 6 devices. It's hard to get away from what folks say is overkill on a server even when they say you don't need much of a cpu and the idea that he is able to run 6 devices with just an i3 really makes me think again?

Thanks for your help

Depends on whether you're transcoding or not. If you aren't transcoding then streaming 6 videos isn't much of a task for even an i3. If you are transcoding then that i3 is going to start stuttering. I've got a i7-3770K running at 5GHz and it can transcode about 12 mpeg4 videos. It can only handle about 6 transcodes of VC-1 or mpeg2 though. ffmpeg still has a tough time with those codecs. If I'm not transcoding then the machine's I'm using for playback will run out of IO before my server runs out of headroom.
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Originally Posted by MrPictureman View Post

Maybe I missed his in the guides, there is so much in the HTPC and Server Guides, best money I spent. Do you know what motherboard he used? Was there a build thread to his personal server? I know he has several builds he has shown us but just wondering how minimalistic he has gone to run 6 devices. It's hard to get away from what folks say is overkill on a server even when they say you don't need much of a cpu and the idea that he is able to run 6 devices with just an i3 really makes me think again?

Thanks for your help

a G530 cpu for $35 can do it. Combined with an Asrock $50 mobo (any socket 1155) is a nice start with a some cheap 4GB of DDR3 ram. That is pretty minimalist.

You don't need an i3. He only upgraded I believe because it was $79
post #15699 of 15907
I will look into this as it is a good starting point and I can upgrade later if need be. I am still waffling on which way to go as I have 3 kids in college so you know where most of my money goes. Going this way has immediate advantages as I can allocate the savings to another hard drive. I just want to make sure I can stream to 3-4 rooms/devices at the same time without issues. Decisions, decisions!
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Hard drive choice and speeds matter the most on the performance of your server. A $35 G530 CPU and 4GB ram server with 7200rpm hard drives will out perform an i5 quad core with 8GB ram and 5400rpm RED or GREEN drives every time. No contest at all either.

Hard drives matter most for server speed and transfer speed. Second would be your LAN NIC - choose an Intel NIC if possible. Many current Asrock Motherboards have them now under $99 on socket 1150. I would look at a socket 1150 Asrock motherboard with INTEL NIC and a Pentium level socket 1150 haswell CPU for $70 or less. That's a good starting place. Then look at 3TB 7200rpm drives (under $99 each). If you wanted bigger drives- the 5900rpm Seagate 4TB's outperform most others and also sell the cheapest usually and those are a good choice too- but a little slower than the 7200.14 models. Toshiba also makes a decent 7200rpm 3TB under $100 on sale- but it's not quite as good as the Seagate if you get the choice.

Lots of info on my server thread about cheap server stuff. I'm a cheap bastard so that's always been important to me.
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Hard drive choice and speeds matter the most on the performance of your server. A $35 G530 CPU and 4GB ram server with 7200rpm hard drives will out perform an i5 quad core with 8GB ram and 5400rpm RED or GREEN drives every time. No contest at all either.

Hard drives matter most for server speed and transfer speed. Second would be your LAN NIC - choose an Intel NIC if possible. Many current Asrock Motherboards have them now under $99 on socket 1150. I would look at a socket 1150 Asrock motherboard with INTEL NIC and a Pentium level socket 1150 haswell CPU for $70 or less. That's a good starting place. Then look at 3TB 7200rpm drives (under $99 each). If you wanted bigger drives- the 5900rpm Seagate 4TB's outperform most others and also sell the cheapest usually and those are a good choice too- but a little slower than the 7200.14 models. Toshiba also makes a decent 7200rpm 3TB under $100 on sale- but it's not quite as good as the Seagate if you get the choice.

Lots of info on my server thread about cheap server stuff. I'm a cheap bastard so that's always been important to me.

I can't remember the last time I read so much incorrect and biased gibberish in a single post.
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Originally Posted by MrPictureman View Post

Maybe I missed his in the guides, there is so much in the HTPC and Server Guides, best money I spent. Do you know what motherboard he used? Was there a build thread to his personal server? I know he has several builds he has shown us but just wondering how minimalistic he has gone to run 6 devices. It's hard to get away from what folks say is overkill on a server even when they say you don't need much of a cpu and the idea that he is able to run 6 devices with just an i3 really makes me think again?

Never seen the content types specified, so it's not exactly a relevant comparison (read itznfb's post below). I'm 99% certain that Assassin performed that test using a g530 prior to the i3 swapout (Mfusick mentions below)
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

a G530 cpu for $35 can do it. Combined with an Asrock $50 mobo (any socket 1155) is a nice start with a some cheap 4GB of DDR3 ram. That is pretty minimalist.

You don't need an i3. He only upgraded I believe because it was $79

I recall that being why the i3 upgrade came about, but a g530 can't transcode to 6 devices at once
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Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

Depends on whether you're transcoding or not. If you aren't transcoding then streaming 6 videos isn't much of a task for even an i3. If you are transcoding then that i3 is going to start stuttering. I've got a i7-3770K running at 5GHz and it can transcode about 12 mpeg4 videos. It can only handle about 6 transcodes of VC-1 or mpeg2 though. ffmpeg still has a tough time with those codecs. If I'm not transcoding then the machine's I'm using for playback will run out of IO before my server runs out of headroom.

Bingo

Assassin, you mentioned that all media was stored on your server, but there is no way each title was a full mkv blu ray rip. I tested tonight, playing back Batman Begins in XBMC (on server/htpc) with Plex transcoding Avatar to Nexus 7, Prometheus to SU4100 Acer (1366x768), and Up to GNex. Acer wired, others wireless N (all local). My cpu usage hovered between 60-70 percent with spikes of 85-90. I don't anticipate needing anything more than this, but it's an i5-3570k. I just can't believe there's any way to double this output using a g530. PMS was using all 4 cores. Were some of your titles handbraked to ipad/nexus/sgs3 compatible containers/codecs/resolutions?
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Never seen the content types specified, so it's not exactly a relevant comparison (read itznfb's post below). I'm 99% certain that Assassin performed that test using a g530 prior to the i3 swapout (Mfusick mentions below)
I recall that being why the i3 upgrade came about, but a g530 can't transcode to 6 devices at once
Bingo

Assassin, you mentioned that all media was stored on your server, but there is no way each title was a full mkv blu ray rip. I tested tonight, playing back Batman Begins in XBMC (on server/htpc) with Plex transcoding Avatar to Nexus 7, Prometheus to SU4100 Acer (1366x768), and Up to GNex. Acer wired, others wireless N (all local). My cpu usage hovered between 60-70 percent with spikes of 85-90. I don't anticipate needing anything more than this, but it's an i5-3570k. I just can't believe there's any way to double this output using a g530. PMS was using all 4 cores. Were some of your titles handbraked to ipad/nexus/sgs3 compatible containers/codecs/resolutions?

Yes. They were not all full bitrate rips. They were, however, all hd.
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Cedia 2013

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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Yes. They were not all full bitrate rips. They were, however, all hd.


If that's the case what would I need to stream full Blurays to 3-4 devices comfortably
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Originally Posted by MrPictureman View Post

If that's the case what would I need to stream full Blurays to 3-4 devices comfortably

Likely an i7. If you are doing this to mobile devices your weakest link may be the mobile device's network.
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Hi, I Need advice on a htpc I am doing for my friend, he wants the least expensive possible, he will be running xbmc exclusively on it:
I came up so far with those two items:
Gigabyte GA-C1007UN-D Intel Celeron 1007U Intel NM70 Mini ITX 85.26 cad $
Apex MI-100BK mITX Case $ cad 45.67
memory; I was reading about the 1007U it says it doesn't support ecc , any cheap memory recommendation that goes with that statement or it doesn't really matter? (http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Celeron-G1620-vs-Intel-Celeron-1007U)
drive: I found this ssd: Crucial V4 64 gb refurbished at 39.99$ , question: would an 8 or 16 gb usb3 flash drive running openelec be a viable and reliable option for the long run?
I will be searching for a wireless card and also a wireless mouse.
Any advice, recommendation comment is highly welcomed
Thanks
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Originally Posted by MrPictureman View Post

If that's the case what would I need to stream full Blurays to 3-4 devices comfortably

Terminology-wise, you're asking what you would need to transcode full blurays to 3-4 devices. If you pose the question as "stream" then a much weaker processor can handle the task with ease.

itznfb mentioned how many transcodes he can support from his overclocked i7. I checked last night and transcoded 3 at a time (above) with my i5 3570k while using the same server (my server does double duty) for bluray playback.

When you say "comfortably" it depends on what else you'll be doing. I use basic dxva2 XBMC playback, which hits the cpu for less than 5% usage.

Assassin's "probably an i7" recommendation would go right in line with my guess based on your "3-4 comfortably" statement

I don't think an i5 would handle 4 transcodes "comfortably." The price difference in i5/i7 isn't insignificant, so you can always ask yourself how often you'll really be doing 4 simultaneous transcodes
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Originally Posted by jungario View Post

drive: I found this ssd: Crucial V4 64 gb refurbished at 39.99$

Where did you see that?
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Originally Posted by ncarty97 View Post

Where did you see that?

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1230&item_id=063578
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

In case anyone else has been waiting for the Lenovo backlit keyboard to be on sale again:

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=460&Code=57Y6678&category-id=19E53DDB3AA94DC79929C42FF06FBF21&&hide_menu_area=yes

$32 plus tax, free shipping

code: USP1S426678

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Originally Posted by wiley165 View Post

Thanks, I'm going to try this out for that price.

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Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

To good to pass up, went ahead and got one also.

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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Thanks. Just ordered two. I love these things for the price.


We should have waited, they must be clearing them out. On sale to day for $17.99

http://www.techbargains.com/catsearch.cfm/0_2_0

Ah, just noticed this one is not backlit, big difference for non backlit. Backlit is actually 27.19 with coupon code USP1S446678
Edited by oman321 - 9/26/13 at 1:45pm
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We should have waited, they must be clearing them out. On sale to day for $17.99

http://www.techbargains.com/catsearch.cfm/0_2_0

Those aren't backlit.

Edit: maybe they are. I swear I checked earlier and backlit wasn't listed.
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The one that was on slickdeals.net (which I think was the same sale) was definitely not backlit
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Sorry guys, your right... I was like woh cause the link changed a bit when I was double checking my post. They are non backlit, the backlit are still a little better on price today vs. last week but only by a couple of bucks. See my edit above for the backlit pricing and coupon code.

Just got my the other and haven't played much with it, but so far I love it.
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Using the same model numbers is really dumb.

I like mine very much (it's replacing the non-backlit version).

I like AA instead of AAA, I think the range is better, THERE'S A "CLOSE" BUTTON!, and, of course, the backlight is very nice. I think I like the button more than the trackball, but the jury's still out on that one.

Most of the other differences don't affect me one way or the other. Home and end are now separate keys from page up/down. Some of the punctuation keys have moved around, and I still need a magnifying glass to see some of them, but I'm very happy with it overall.

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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Never seen the content types specified, so it's not exactly a relevant comparison (read itznfb's post below). I'm 99% certain that Assassin performed that test using a g530 prior to the i3 swapout (Mfusick mentions below)
I recall that being why the i3 upgrade came about, but a g530 can't transcode to 6 devices at once

A G530 can "stream" to 5 devices no problem at all but an almost as weak i3 dual core has no chance of transcoding 5 simulations HD streams.

An i3 is marginally more powerful than a Celeron or pentium for half the price. Something like a $60 3.0ghz dual core pentium CPU is not much disadvantaged to twice the price i3 CPU on the same socket. You can likely do the same things with either chip and the i3 is completely not needed for maximum streaming. A $35 CPU in a server will allow for complete 125MB/sec LAN speed saturation with ease- that is why NAS boxes with much weaker CPU's perform well too. The speed of your LAN or at which your server can stream is based mostly on LAN speed (determined by networking cables, how long you run your cables, and LAN cards NIC and chipsets,) and / or Hard drive speeds depending on what your bottle neck is. A very slow 5400rpm hard drive can still do 60MB sec which is enough for 5 streams. But a faster hard drive that does 125MB/sec+ can likely do twice as many streams (10+)

My point was more about how hard drive speeds and LAN speeds determine how many simultaneous streams you can do because in general the effect general server performance. If you want to saturate gigabit LAN you can do that with a $35 CPU, but you might want to pay good attention to your choices for a gigabit switch, LAN Cabling, and Ethernet chipsets or LAN adapter cards.

If you wanted to transcode 5 simultaneous streams you would not want a dual core CPU. Step up to a quad core CPU.

We should not confuse streaming with transcoding.
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

A G530 can "stream" to 5 devices no problem at all but an almost as weak i3 dual core has no chance of transcoding 5 simulations HD streams.

An i3 is marginally more powerful than a Celeron or pentium for half the price. Something like a $60 3.0ghz dual core pentium CPU is not much disadvantaged to twice the price i3 CPU on the same socket.

This is not at all accurate. First, transcoding depends on what is being transcoded --- the higher the bitrate the harder it is to transcode.

Second, these are the facts between the "marginal" difference between an i3 Haswell and a Pentium Haswell....



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I was actually thinking of our socket 1155 and something like we both have in the G860 vs i3 2100's. I'll admit you surprised me with the improvement socket 1150 has made, I did not expect such a difference.

When I looked when I built my server : (and yours)



Ivy bridge did not change things too much, as the G2xxx series IVY under $70 seems on par with the $130-140 i3's still relative to price.

Kudos to Haswell for kicking some ass with the i3.

The i5 still romps them handily at transcoding though.

Finding a cheap socket 1155 platform might still make sense for a cheap server, considering my two generation old sandybridge seems almost identical to the Haswell chip in power. Haswell might not make sense on the budget side of things- unless you are going quad core it's not worth it IMO. (not for a server anyways where you can't appreciate the GPU and the cost is higher )
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I was actually thinking of our socket 1155 and something like we both have in the G860 vs i3 2100's. I'll admit you surprised me with the improvement socket 1150 has made, I did not expect such a difference.

When I looked when I built my server : (and yours)



Ivy bridge did not change things too much, as the G2xxx series IVY under $70 seems on par with the $130-140 i3's still relative to price.

Kudos to Haswell for kicking some ass with the i3.

The i5 still romps them handily at transcoding though.

Finding a cheap socket 1155 platform might still make sense for a cheap server, considering my two generation old sandybridge seems almost identical to the Haswell chip in power. Haswell might not make sense on the budget side of things- unless you are going quad core it's not worth it IMO. (not for a server anyways where you can't appreciate the GPU and the cost is higher )

Well, comparing the G860 to the i3 2100 is not comparing a CPU at "half the price" either. Since you made that comment a better comparison would have been to one of the cheaper CPUs.

I have no idea why anyone would buy an i3 2100 today when Haswell is available for the same price.

Some people realize that CPU architecture trumps everything else (like clock speed). Some don't. Its rampant on the internet. wink.gif
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