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post #15721 of 15907

If you want to transcode many stream effectivelly you really have to go with the i7. Hyperthreading makes all the difference when it come to transcoding video and audio (8 core vs 4), something the i5 lacks.

 

You really have two kind of htpc. One that is used exclusivelly as a playback device and the other is a mix of server/ripping/transcoding/game playing multi-purpose htpc. The first one is well served by a lower spec cpu/gpu combination and the later is better served by the most powerful spec you can afford. Personnaly I went with the second. Of course if you can find a transcoding engine that use CUDA, like DvdFab does, then you can also consider an i5 with a couple of GTX in sli for faster transcoding. But I don't know any realtime streaming/transcoding engine based on cuda... 

post #15722 of 15907
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Originally Posted by OSRebel View Post
 

... and the other is a mix of server/ripping/transcoding/game playing multi-purpose htpc.

Sorry, but that's not an HTPC anymore. ;)

Welcome to AVS, by the way. :)

post #15723 of 15907
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Well, comparing the G860 to the i3 2100 is not comparing a CPU at "half the price" either. Since you made that comment a better comparison would have been to one of the cheaper CPUs.

I have no idea why anyone would buy an i3 2100 today when Haswell is available for the same price.

Some people realize that CPU architecture trumps everything else (like clock speed). Some don't. Its rampant on the internet. wink.gif

So am I correct in concluding that a PENTIUM G3220 LGA1150 3GHZ 3MB @$70 on a better buy that the non-Haswell i3 (whatever that's called).

Apart from HyperThreading and Turboboost (are these important for WMC DVR and movie playback - on 3D, non MadVR)? Are there any other key differences between i3 and Pentium?

Does the CPU have anything to do with Lossles audio support on BD ISO's?

Thanks

Mark
post #15724 of 15907
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

So am I correct in concluding that a PENTIUM G3220 LGA1150 3GHZ 3MB @$70 on a better buy that the non-Haswell i3 (whatever that's called).

Apart from HyperThreading and Turboboost (are these important for WMC DVR and movie playback - on 3D, non MadVR)? Are there any other key differences between i3 and Pentium?

Does the CPU have anything to do with Lossles audio support on BD ISO's?

Thanks

Mark

Your question is complicated to answer. Generally the newer CPU is prefered because it's more powerful and more efficient and they tend not to cost too much more. So assuming all that is true buy the newest and best one you can inside your budget. That is usually socket 1150 today.

But pricing changed things up. In the case of my aging socket 1155 G860 (sandybridge) it's passmark score is 2840 and the new 3220 Haswell is 2880. You are not going to see any difference there, so if an older CPU is $20 cheaper than the other it might make sense. Especially for a server (how I use mine) where the GPU matters not. You are basically buying the most CPU you can for the budget, and back when I bought mine it was $57 and that was about as good as I could do for that price. It was basically the same as the 2100 i3 but without some features like quicksync or the better HD2000 graphics that I just did not need so it was an easy choice for me.

If you are building a server and not a HTPC the GPU won't matter. That is usually what costs more. If I was building a HTPC I would be more prone to spend up on the Haswell socket 1150 chips because the GPU is better, and they do better with the 24p bug too. In terms of frame rates- the socket 1150 is better. But for a normal CPU duty you won't notice much so choose what is friendly to your wallet. Assuming price is the same get the newer one.

Some chips do 3D and other's don't so that is an additional area of consideration you might want to look at. Usually Celeron and Pentium don't do 3D but i3 and higher does. Adding a GPU card is cheap too, something like a 6570 Radeon will be superior to integrated graphics and only about $40. Adding such in the future to gain 3D if you are not sure is not going to be a big deal either....
post #15725 of 15907

Looking for some help and recommendations,

 

Htpc running xbmc on top of WHS 2011 with Flexraid and Plex

(4)min 3.5in hard drives

no blue ray or optical drive needed

Read that Haswell was the right chip. Assassin recommended it. Do I need the extra cost? Futerproofing for.x265 or whatever?

Which board and size? I like the following cases but open to other ideas:

1. Silverstone 7b

2. Lian Donus Pc-C60

3. Fractal node 605

4. Gigabit ethernet(Is intel better like Assassin says?) Is dual nic and advantage?

5. SSD for operation system. Need recommendations. Vector or Samsung 840 Pro??????

6. Hard drives......WD Red or Black? Other ideas???? Are high rpm drives truly better for what I am looking for? I like WD customer service better than Seagate. 

7. 2 Max HD streams in house at once plus Android streaming.

8. I want to be able to stream from the server remotely.

9. Backup 2 other pc's in the house. I can figure out what to do with WHS.

10 Future proof as best I can

 

All help is very appreciated. 

post #15726 of 15907
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Originally Posted by airtime2345 View Post

Looking for some help and recommendations,

Htpc running xbmc on top of WHS 2011 with Flexraid and Plex
(4)min 3.5in hard drives
no blue ray or optical drive needed
Read that Haswell was the right chip. Assassin recommended it. Do I need the extra cost? Futerproofing for.x265 or whatever?
Which board and size? I like the following cases but open to other ideas:
1. Silverstone 7b
2. Lian Donus Pc-C60
3. Fractal node 605
4. Gigabit ethernet(Is intel better like Assassin says?) Is dual nic and advantage?
5. SSD for operation system. Need recommendations. Vector or Samsung 840 Pro??????
6. Hard drives......WD Red or Black? Other ideas???? Are high rpm drives truly better for what I am looking for? I like WD customer service better than Seagate. 
7. 2 Max HD streams in house at once plus Android streaming.
8. I want to be able to stream from the server remotely.
9. Backup 2 other pc's in the house. I can figure out what to do with WHS.
10 Future proof as best I can

All help is very appreciated. 

Fractal Node 605. Supports ATX so pick the best rated ASUS h87 or z87 in your price range. Gigabit single NIC. Samsung 840 Pro over Vector all day every day. Reds or Greens for media if you prefer WD. Don't get Blacks. High RPM is useless for your needs. If you want future proof as you mentioned in 10 then you'll want Haswell and you'll want a quad core for transcoding and simultaneous streaming.
post #15727 of 15907

I have found lots of info on this and other forums regarding building a htpc.  I have no desire to build a computer.  Would rather buy one.  I would like to use a laptop if possible as it would provide me with the flexibility of having a laptop as well.  Not really on a budget but I don't want to spend much more than $1,000 unless doing so will result in more functionality or significantly better quality. My questions:  Do you reccomend using a laptop?  If so, can you suggest specs?  I plan to use primarily for watching movies over the web.  Probably will also store some music and videos.  Eventually may network with other PC's in the house.  No access to ethernet cables in my home entertainment center so it will have to be wireless.  Thanks in advance for any advice.

post #15728 of 15907
Any ultrabook can do HTPC - so I would get that. But "real" HTPC is having a dedicated HTPC client and a dedicated media server (my opinion) If you just want to stream mostly- and want to simply watch it on your TV most laptop's have HDMI outputs and should work just fine for that. They would have no trouble running a front end client either- but it does not seem like you are worried about a movie collection much.

I would look at Ultrabook's with SSD drives. Don't buy a laptop or a desktop without an SSD drive for the OS. As long as you don't make that mistake you should be fine.
post #15729 of 15907
I don't want to build a computer either, although the Intel NUC and Gigabyte Brix kits look pretty simple. I'm waiting for the new Asus Chromebox to come out- no specs released yet, but supposed to have Haswell processor series, and I am hopeful it will incorporate Asus 802.11ac WIFI- there seem to be a lot of people on this forum who believe their routers are superior. Based on previous Chromebox prices I expect the price to be very competitive...
post #15730 of 15907
Yup. NUC is probably a better option than the laptop in that you can make it dedicated (not have to hook and unhook it or mess with wires)

But a laptop you wanted for another purpose. (general use)

It's a trade off
post #15731 of 15907
A decent ultrabook (one without sucktastic wifi and battery) will cost about as much as 3 cheap HTPCs or 2 cheap HTPCs and a Nexus 7
post #15732 of 15907
I know but it easier to just tell him what he wants to hear since his budget is $1000. I'm too tired. And he asked for a laptop.
post #15733 of 15907
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post #15734 of 15907
Ceton Tuner issue: I have two separate Windows 7 PCs that both use the Ceton InfiniTV 4 PCIe tuner card. The Ceton software bridges the network card with the tuner card. The resulting network bridge on both machines have the same MAC address. Only one machine will join correctly to the network at a time. If I reset the network bridge it chooses a new MAC address, and everything is good until the next reboot when it goes back to the original MAC Address. Any ideas on how to permanently set the MAC address on the network bridge?
post #15735 of 15907
So my HTPC has been crashing a lot lately. Just recently it's been crashing and gives the "Reboot and Select proper boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key" message. If I reboot it loads fine, but still has been crashing. So is it likely the SSD drive is going bad or something else is the matter? It's a Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 drive.
post #15736 of 15907
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Originally Posted by yanksno1 View Post

So my HTPC has been crashing a lot lately. Just recently it's been crashing and gives the "Reboot and Select proper boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key" message. If I reboot it loads fine, but still has been crashing. So is it likely the SSD drive is going bad or something else is the matter? It's a Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 drive.

Do you have the latest firmware from Crucial for that drive?
There was an issue found a while back on with the m4's after so many hours. Updating the firmware is the 1st thing I'd try.
It's a windows based utility update process, nothing difficult.
post #15737 of 15907
so Ladies and Gents with windows 8.1 out is the recommended OS to WMC still Win 7? A part of me wants to try windows 8 on my HTPC, then again WAF is thru the roof with my current system.
post #15738 of 15907
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Originally Posted by yanksno1 View Post

So my HTPC has been crashing a lot lately. Just recently it's been crashing and gives the "Reboot and Select proper boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key" message. If I reboot it loads fine, but still has been crashing. So is it likely the SSD drive is going bad or something else is the matter? It's a Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 drive.

I had the same message once & a few other times it just rebooted by itself. Once I got a BSOD. Event Logs always said unexpected shutdown but never said what caused these. HDD tests indicated it was OK. I did some RAM tests & got errors, but only when using 2 sticks. My other PC had the same spec RAM so I swapped & both PCs work just fine & no errors when tested. Apparently there was a compatibility problem with the one brand of RAM in the HTPC. Since swapping RAM the HTPC has not had any more problems & the Event Logs also do not show anymore unexpected shutdowns. You might want to run a memory test to see if the RAM is OK.
post #15739 of 15907
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Originally Posted by victor M View Post

so Ladies and Gents with windows 8.1 out is the recommended OS to WMC still Win 7? A part of me wants to try windows 8 on my HTPC, then again WAF is thru the roof with my current system.

I just removed 8.1 from my system. Went back to Win 7. It was my regular laptop and I ran WMC occasionally

Other than USB 3 support (but I think there are drivers for Win7 now), can't see much benefit to move to 8. WMC is identical on both from what I could see
post #15740 of 15907
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Originally Posted by yanksno1 View Post

So my HTPC has been crashing a lot lately. Just recently it's been crashing and gives the "Reboot and Select proper boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key" message. If I reboot it loads fine, but still has been crashing. So is it likely the SSD drive is going bad or something else is the matter? It's a Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 drive.

I had the same exact issue on my M4 when I hit 5000 hours. Just update the firmware n the SSD.
post #15741 of 15907
Thanks guys. Did the firmware upgrade and no crashes since. Also did a memory test for good measure, and ended up replacing that too (no errors with the new one). Think I should be good to go now.
post #15742 of 15907
It's been awhile since I messed with my Windows MB so forgive me. I have the Pearl Theme 1.1.0.0, and it looks like it's way out of date so I will update it after this. I want to move my DVD covers form the midde of the screen to the bottom so that the backdrop images are easily seen. I believe when I first started using this theme about 2 years ago I had it this way. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks
Judd
post #15743 of 15907
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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

I want to move my DVD covers form the midde of the screen to the bottom so that the backdrop images are easily seen. I believe when I first started using this theme about 2 years ago I had it this way. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks
Judd

+1 . Completely stuck on this. I assumed turning off "show details on poster" would do it, but no change. Wonder if it's a bug
post #15744 of 15907

I'm not home so I can't check for sure, but I believe you're looking at the difference between "poster" setting and "cover flow," independent of theme.

post #15745 of 15907
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I'm not home so I can't check for sure, but I believe you're looking at the difference between "poster" setting and "cover flow," independent of theme.

I tried every combination I could find (I think). I normally use coverflow
post #15746 of 15907
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

I tried every combination I could find (I think). I normally use coverflow

I also can't check, but with coverflow I think there's a setting for top, mid and bottom.
post #15747 of 15907
I don't see any option for this. Wondering if it got deleted in a update.
post #15748 of 15907
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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

I don't see any option for this. Wondering if it got deleted in a update.

or down-date :-)
post #15749 of 15907
Assassin, I finally bought a SSD and I am ready to move the os partition that you recommended we do with our hdd. What guide was that located in? Can't seem to find it.
Thanks.,
post #15750 of 15907

It's in the FAQs in THIS thread, post 3.

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