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Originally Posted by lfox View Post

I am thinking about getting a new SSD for Win7 operating system and programs and doing a reinstall in order to move to a larger SSD to run my HTPC. If all other components remain the same and I use the same copy of Win7 that I used originally, will copy protected DVR recorded TV on a separate drive be playable or will it think it is a new computer and deny access?
No response. Does anyone have information?

Thanks
post #15812 of 15901
My guess would be that the recordings would be blocked.
post #15813 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Brian B View Post

Got the new motherboard and it tested fine outside the case. I put it together and will check it out soon.

B.

Keep us posted please, I have one that is giving me issues, what about the PSU not being Haswell compatible? I read a lot about that. May not be the issue, just wanted to through it out there for consideration and advice on new builds.
post #15814 of 15901
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Originally Posted by lfox View Post

I am thinking about getting a new SSD for Win7 operating system and programs and doing a reinstall in order to move to a larger SSD to run my HTPC. If all other components remain the same and I use the same copy of Win7 that I used originally, will copy protected DVR recorded TV be playable or will it think it is a new computer and deny access?

I think that would be a no, but first option might be to try it out on a fresh install if you have a spare SSD/HDD

Assuming of course the recordings aren't stored on the SSD being replaced . . .

The fresh install of windows shouldn't take long (doesn't really need licensing or much setup) if you install from USB. Then check to see if one of the recordings plays. I feel like it wouldn't

I think one way around this if recordings won't play may be . . .
  • Create a system image backup of current setup
  • Use your old installation disc with new SSD
  • Choose the language/time/settings then next, but then choose "repair your computer" rather than "install windows"
  • It should then ask you which version of windows you are trying to repair or only have one option
  • Then you should have the option to use your image with "System Image Recovery"



A faster way (that I've never used) may be just to clone the existing OS drive with acronis or similar software. Then boot from the clone and extend the size your C: partition to the full content of the new SSD drive in windows disk management
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Originally Posted by mingus View Post

what about the PSU not being Haswell compatible? I read a lot about that

AFAIK, the haswell compatibility check only applies to using S6/S7 CPU power states (lower power sleep when idle). Shouldn't keep any atx psu from working with haswell altogether, just prevents new sleep modes
post #15815 of 15901
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Originally Posted by mingus View Post

Keep us posted please, I have one that is giving me issues, what about the PSU not being Haswell compatible? I read a lot about that. May not be the issue, just wanted to through it out there for consideration and advice on new builds.

The system has been running constantly since the night of my last post. I have had issues getting software up and running--didn't remember how much there is to set up on XBMC...but as far as hardware goes all seems well.

Never had a bad motherboard straight out of the gate, but then I've maybe only built a dozen systems in my life...nothing compared to these guys on here that do it for a living.

B.
post #15816 of 15901
Dark Slayer - thank you for your insight. I will have the new drive to play with along with the working old drive. I think right now I want a clean install rather than transferring an image from my current drive, just to stabilize things. It runs pretty well now but there are a few too many strange little things that happen now that I hope could well sort themselves out with a clean install. I think a clean install is likely more important to me than retaining all of my recorded material. I can switch back and forth between boot drives for a while to watch a few things that I truly am interested in. But would like to go forward with a clean install.

Thank you again for your insight.
post #15817 of 15901
Maybe someone will to know does new Intel Atom Bay Trail can bitstream HD audio ? I'm asking about new Windows 8.1 tablets with Intel Atom Z3740, Z3770 CPU's with integrated Intel HD Graphics.
post #15818 of 15901
We'll my new server has been up and running a few days now after replacing the new power supply!! Power supply checked out completely with a multi meter when jumped out it was just not turning on from the chassis case switch for some reason. Everything is setup and installed, running WHS 2011. I have one 3TB drive right now which is going to be my parity drive and I just picked up another 2TB drive today to start with. I just started copying all my movies over and although the connections says 1GB on my network I am copying files at 11.2MB per second... I think I just read someone else had the same problem a few posts back so I will be doing some trouble shooting starting with the cables first...

Next Problem, I also have some Yellow explanation points in Device Manager under other devices.. One for the SM BUS Controller, and two labeled unknown device. I ran the CD that came with the motherboard and it could not find the right drivers.. I am using an ASROCK H87M motherboard and an Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell CPU... Any ideas?
post #15819 of 15901
Ok tried a quick fix test. and ran a new cable directly from my server to my desktop through one switch. Speed is about the same... I have two Fantom USB 2.0 Drives I am trying to copy from so I'm guessing that is probably the bottle neck. Even going directly from the drive to the computer they are connected to, copying a file I am only getting a little bit over 20MB's.

Copied a video to the C drive of my desktop and tried a copy to my server... Only getting around 11mb's... Thought that would of been much faster.. Hummmm
post #15820 of 15901
Ok appears the desktop is only 100Mbs LAN card... Did a test from the new server to my Home theater PC and it started the transfer at 190MBs and settled in around 130MBs... Think I'm good. I could probably update the network card in my desktop computer though.

Ok next will be installing the flex raid.

Happy Holidays Everybody
post #15821 of 15901
Dpnayer,

Did you get Device Manager issues fixed? It sounds like you need to manually install drivers.
Oh, BTW, I usually don't use the drivers that come on the CD packed with the MOBO or any other device. Frequently
the drivers have been updated, so I go direct to the manufacturer. Create a new folder for all the stuff on your computer,
copy to that folder, then install them one at a time.
post #15822 of 15901
I didn't get a chance to check into the device manager issue yet. Been copying files for 24hrs so far. I will try and find the right ones tomorrow hopefully
post #15823 of 15901
Trying to find Drivers etc for my G3220 Chip on intels web site , and WHS 2011 is not coming up as an option for operating systems... So what should I choose? Even tried to install the intel automatic driver update utility that searches your system for what it needs and it says that page is not currently available..
post #15824 of 15901
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Originally Posted by dpnaylor View Post

Ok appears the desktop is only 100Mbs LAN card... Did a test from the new server to my Home theater PC and it started the transfer at 190MBs and settled in around 130MBs... Think I'm good. I could probably update the network card in my desktop computer though.


Happy Holidays Everybody

Via a LAN? Theoretical limit on gigabit is 128MB/s. how are you getting 130, let alone 190?
post #15825 of 15901
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Via a LAN? Theoretical limit on gigabit is 128MB/s. how are you getting 130, let alone 190?

No idea. It starts out at 190 then gets slower and slower very quickly. Within like 3seconds. It then levels off to like 130. I only did the test once with a 20gig blueray file.
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I have a question, is there any difference bettwen output via HDMI from Windows multichannel LPCM, or bitstream to amplifier ?
I don't remeber good but I heard LPCM from Windows have some restrictions and resampling ?
For example is will be possible to output from Total Media Theathre 5,6 LPCM via HDMI to amplifier at 7.1ch 192kHz/24bit ?
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Reading these guides got me thinking - is it possible to combine an HTPC and File server in one box like the Silverstone SST-GD08B ? How would that work with the operating system if I was running both a HTPC and file server? Would I need two OS's (say Windows 7 for the HTPC and WHS for the file server drives)? Or should I think about having one HTPC box and a seperate for the file server?
post #15828 of 15901
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Originally Posted by royceb View Post

Reading these guides got me thinking - is it possible to combine an HTPC and File server in one box like the Silverstone SST-GD08B ? How would that work with the operating system if I was running both a HTPC and file server? Would I need two OS's (say Windows 7 for the HTPC and WHS for the file server drives)? Or should I think about having one HTPC box and a seperate for the file server?

Disregarding the choice of box (doesn't matter and up to personal preference plus expandability etc) . . .

W7 / W8 / W8.1 all work just fine as a server and htpc. They all allow 20 maximum inbound SMB connections, so if you want to serve your HDDs to more than 20 clients at once then you would need to step up to a server OS

You can run the file server and a great htpc with ease on an i3/5/7. As far as the serving part is concerned, you can serve files from raspberry pi level processors without issue. As far as the htpc requirements, those depend on your preference for integrated or dedicated graphics, post and pre processing like SVP and MadVR, as well as the desire for 2D, 3D, etc.

The other portion that might be on it's way out with the increased power/resolution of smartphones and tablets is transcoding for said smartphones and tablets. If you want to transcode to multiple phones or tablets at once you'll probably want to stay i5 or above. Given that a new N7 can just about handle it's own decoding and rendering on 5G n wifi, the point I made on "might be on it's way out" may be worth considering. My SGS4 can actually play plenty of 1080 stuff over wifi with MX Player. I'm thinking that with the refinements in 802.11ac and upcoming SGS5 and other superphones/tablets that the need for heavy transcoding will be diminishing soon. That being said, there's no time like the present and you probably want something to work today rather than one possible view of the future

Some people prefer to run WHS or other server OS for their file server. If you have a good place and can spare the expense, it is a good option to just stick all the noise in a dedicated area and run it headless

As far as, can it be done? Fileserver / HTPC all in one, yes that's how I'm running mine this very instant. I'm in the *slow* process of a rebuild which will move the fileserver off on it's own. It will still be running 8.1 pro rather than a server os. It's easier IMO and meets my needs
post #15829 of 15901
Thread Starter 
Yes, it can definitely be done. Win7 + FlexRaid would be my choice of how to set it up. Then choose whatever frontend you want (MB3, XBMC, Plex, WMC, JRiver, etc).
post #15830 of 15901
Right, 8.1 for me is one of those *because I got an extra license for $30 w/ free WMC* otherwise I'd go W7
post #15831 of 15901
I have a Windows 7 HTPC built a couple of years ago from Assassin's guides: I3 chip, Asrock MB, attached directly to a Sony Bravia KDL-46V25L1 I got from Costco. Windows updates are turned off. The picture always fit the TV screen until a few weeks ago when I noticed the channel identifier icon in the lower right hand corner was chopped off. I hate those things and ordinarily I would consider not seeing it a bonus :-), but realistically way too much of the picture is being chopped off. When the WMC setup menu didn't fix the problem I went back to basics and checked Assassins setup guides and nothing suggested there is working. No matter what scaling I use the picture never changes. The PC is connected to HDMI 7 and it is renamed PC, since there is no HDMI 1. I cannot imagine what has happened to this thing or what to do next to fix it.
post #15832 of 15901
Check and see if a zoom mode/aspect mode got switched.

B.
post #15833 of 15901
Are you talking about the zoom/wide/full switch on the remote control? I tried that as well as looking at the tv settings where I turned 'autowide' to off and aspect to full, but it made no difference. Thanks for the response. I cringe at the thought of asking this question since I know it has been addressed a bazillion times in this forum previously, but I ran out of ideas.
post #15834 of 15901
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Originally Posted by scopeyus View Post

Are you talking about the zoom/wide/full switch on the remote control? I tried that as well as looking at the tv settings where I turned 'autowide' to off and aspect to full, but it made no difference. Thanks for the response. I cringe at the thought of asking this question since I know it has been addressed a bazillion times in this forum previously, but I ran out of ideas.
Perhaps it could have been the physical tv settings, but I think he may have been referring to "within WMC" settings

Does this occur at the WMC Home Menu and all menus, or just during TV playback?? If only during TV playback, you need to press "left" or "right" during TV playback, navigate to "Zoom," and try the other options (sounds like it's set to stretch)
post #15835 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Disregarding the choice of box (doesn't matter and up to personal preference plus expandability etc) . . .

W7 / W8 / W8.1 all work just fine as a server and htpc. They all allow 20 maximum inbound SMB connections, so if you want to serve your HDDs to more than 20 clients at once then you would need to step up to a server OS

You can run the file server and a great htpc with ease on an i3/5/7. As far as the serving part is concerned, you can serve files from raspberry pi level processors without issue. As far as the htpc requirements, those depend on your preference for integrated or dedicated graphics, post and pre processing like SVP and MadVR, as well as the desire for 2D, 3D, etc.

The other portion that might be on it's way out with the increased power/resolution of smartphones and tablets is transcoding for said smartphones and tablets. If you want to transcode to multiple phones or tablets at once you'll probably want to stay i5 or above. Given that a new N7 can just about handle it's own decoding and rendering on 5G n wifi, the point I made on "might be on it's way out" may be worth considering. My SGS4 can actually play plenty of 1080 stuff over wifi with MX Player. I'm thinking that with the refinements in 802.11ac and upcoming SGS5 and other superphones/tablets that the need for heavy transcoding will be diminishing soon. That being said, there's no time like the present and you probably want something to work today rather than one possible view of the future

Some people prefer to run WHS or other server OS for their file server. If you have a good place and can spare the expense, it is a good option to just stick all the noise in a dedicated area and run it headless

As far as, can it be done? Fileserver / HTPC all in one, yes that's how I'm running mine this very instant. I'm in the *slow* process of a rebuild which will move the fileserver off on it's own. It will still be running 8.1 pro rather than a server os. It's easier IMO and meets my needs

Thank you for this informative reply. This certainly helps.
post #15836 of 15901
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Yes, it can definitely be done. Win7 + FlexRaid would be my choice of how to set it up. Then choose whatever frontend you want (MB3, XBMC, Plex, WMC, JRiver, etc).

I already have Win7, so that is good to hear. So if I have 3 drives - one SSD for the HTPC and 2 green drives for the file servers, my guess would be that I should install Win7 and FlexRaid onto the SSD drive?
post #15837 of 15901
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Originally Posted by royceb View Post

I already have Win7, so that is good to hear. So if I have 3 drives - one SSD for the HTPC and 2 green drives for the file servers, my guess would be that I should install Win7 and FlexRaid onto the SSD drive?

You want at least 3 hard drives (storage not SSD) for Flexraid as one of them is dedicated to parity backup. Unless you plan to only use the pooling option.
post #15838 of 15901
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

You want at least 3 hard drives (storage not SSD) for Flexraid as one of them is dedicated to parity backup. Unless you plan to only use the pooling option.

Thanks. So three drives, one SSD. Win and FlexRaid installed on the SSD, correct?
post #15839 of 15901
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by royceb View Post

I already have Win7, so that is good to hear. So if I have 3 drives - one SSD for the HTPC and 2 green drives for the file servers, my guess would be that I should install Win7 and FlexRaid onto the SSD drive?

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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

You want at least 3 hard drives (storage not SSD) for Flexraid as one of them is dedicated to parity backup. Unless you plan to only use the pooling option.

Yes, I would install the OS, FlexRaid and any programs on the SSD. Save all your media (movies, TV shows, music, pictures, etc) on the larger hard drives.

As Mfusick says you will need one parity drive for redundancy and it needs to be at least as large as your largest storage drive. So for example if you had two 3TB storage drives to store 6TB (or less) of data you would need a third 3TB (or 4TB. But NOT a 2TB, 1TB, etc) drive for the parity drive. You could then add 4 - 6 more 3TB drives for data storage at a later date and that single 3TB parity drive would offer redundancy for all 6-8 of your 3TB drives.

So in summary you could eventually have ~18TB of data on six 3TB drives with redundancy of your entire 18TB array (I am careful here not to use the term "backup") on that singular 3TB parity drive.
post #15840 of 15901
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Originally Posted by royceb View Post

Reading these guides got me thinking - is it possible to combine an HTPC and File server in one box like the Silverstone SST-GD08B ? How would that work with the operating system if I was running both a HTPC and file server? Would I need two OS's (say Windows 7 for the HTPC and WHS for the file server drives)? Or should I think about having one HTPC box and a seperate for the file server?

I just did that. Got corei7, 16Gb RAM and 14 slot case

I have SSD Boot and separate 2Gb drive outside pool for recorded tv/downloads

Running 8.1 WMC and flexraid

Very light streaming: mostly recorded TV (2 users)
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