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Originally Posted by mullet34 View Post

It's going through my receiver. HK AVR245

Try to rename the input "PC" on your TV that connects the receiver to your HDTV. Also try to use HDMI input 1 if possible.

It might not matter but it could help.

I am looking all over for a source of the problem for you. I found this interesting post on anther site:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...6&postcount=32

Edit: Also what Refresh rate (Hz) do you have the output set at?
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Another question.

If you are running Win7 64 bit and using Shark007 did you download both Shark007 32 and 64 bit?
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Originally Posted by JDz View Post

Here is what I'm considering....kinda of a mix of your build and Rene's suggestions. Just need to pick a case, optical drive, W7 and I guess that's it. I have never built a computer so I was wanting a newbie friendly case. Thought about the 6000b or the Silverstone GD06 or the Antec Fusion Remote. Decisions...decisions....
Also, might swap out the mb for the Asus Evo mb.




Suggestions.....this good,bad?


If I wait for the new I3 processor next month can I just swap out the new one for the 2100 and keep everything else the same here?
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Lurker posting pics. Intel i3-2100, Asus H67 EVO, Silverstone Strider Modular PSU, GD06 Case, Corsair XMS3 Ram, LG Blu-ray Writer, 2x3TB Hitachi HDD, 64GB Crucial C300. Waiting on Ceton Infinitv4(sitting at my parents' house) and PP05 cabling kit for the PSU. Note I had to flip the PSU upside down from the photos since the modular cabling interfered with the HDD drivebay. Spent 2 days troubleshooting random lockups, seems it was caused by the "power saving mode" on the mobo. Thanks for all the information Assassin!

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Originally Posted by JDz View Post

If I wait for the new I3 processor next month can I just swap out the new one for the 2100 and keep everything else the same here?

Yes, you can upgrade although I don't know if you need to.
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Originally Posted by Mini Viper View Post

Thanks for all the information Assassin!

Great build! Can't wait to put it on the front page!

And you are welcome!!!
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Try to rename the input "PC" on your TV that connects the receiver to your HDTV. Also try to use HDMI input 1 if possible.

It might not matter but it could help.

I am looking all over for a source of the problem for you. I found this interesting post on anther site:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...6&postcount=32

Edit: Also what Refresh rate (Hz) do you have the output set at?

Yes, it's plugged into HDMI2 on the TV, which is the one Samsung designates for PC use (it's called HDMI2/DVI). I've tried the other 2 HDMI ports as well.

And that forum post you linked was about MPC specifically. This is happening with ANY player I use. MPC, VLC, WMP, WMC

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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Another question.

If you are running Win7 64 bit and using Shark007 did you download both Shark007 32 and 64 bit?

Yes. I don't see how it could be a codec issue, since the video is fine from the VGA and DVI ports. This only happens on the HDMI.
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Originally Posted by mullet34 View Post

Yes, it's plugged into HDMI2 on the TV, which is the one Samsung designates for PC use (it's called HDMI2/DVI). I've tried the other 2 HDMI ports as well.

And that forum post you linked was about MPC specifically. This is happening with ANY player I use. MPC, VLC, WMP, WMC


Yes. I don't see how it could be a codec issue, since the video is fine from the VGA and DVI ports. This only happens on the HDMI.

Probably a stupid idea but did you try a different HDMI cable?
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Probably a stupid idea but did you try a different HDMI cable?

Yeah, 2 known working cables, same issue.
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I didn't read everything g you tried but I saw you did try the 'PC' HDMI input. Did you try another one? Someone said yesterday that some TVs try to 'help' you when you set it up as PC and it actually interferes.
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Built an i3 SB HTPC a few weeks ago for my theater room. It works great. I also had an old Dell XPS 410 with 1 GB GT220 graphics card in the living room, but wanted to move it to a smaller box. The E6400 processor seemed to do fine with the GT200, but when I moved to a smaller box, I had to change to a micro-Atx board. I decided to get one with the graphics built in - Intel BOXDG45ID and HDMI out so I could effectively do away with the GT220 and use the existing processor and RAM from the XPS. Now my problem is the new board/processor combo does not produce the picture quality that the XPS did. Now I am thinking I should just get a fanless low profile card to increase the graphics processing power? Or I could send the motherboard back, put the XPS back together (give it to my son), and get some new parts: another i3, MB and RAM to build a new machine? The last option is expensive after I just built the i3 for the theater room...thoughts or ways to improve the Intel's graphics performance (it says it performs at 1080P).
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Originally Posted by mullet34 View Post
Yeah, 2 known working cables, same issue.
Honestly I have no idea. That is really strange.

I would post a new thread in the main section and try to get some more opinions. Post your motherboard, CPU, HDTV etc and what you have tried already.
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Originally Posted by Tizi View Post
Built an i3 SB HTPC a few weeks ago for my theater room. It works great. I also had an old Dell XPS 410 with 1 GB GT220 graphics card in the living room, but wanted to move it to a smaller box. The E6400 processor seemed to do fine with the GT200, but when I moved to a smaller box, I had to change to a micro-Atx board. I decided to get one with the graphics built in - Intel BOXDG45ID and HDMI out so I could effectively do away with the GT220 and use the existing processor and RAM from the XPS. Now my problem is the new board/processor combo does not produce the picture quality that the XPS did. Now I am thinking I should just get a fanless low profile card to increase the graphics processing power? Or I could send the motherboard back, put the XPS back together (give it to my son), and get some new parts: another i3, MB and RAM to build a new machine? The last option is expensive after I just built the i3 for the theater room...thoughts or ways to improve the Intel's graphics performance (it says it performs at 1080P).
The cheapest way would be to get a fanless video card for that LGA 775 board. The 5450 is an option although the new 6450 just came out and ATI will be phasing out the 5450 eventually.

5450 is about $35, 6450 is $50.

6450 supports 3D as well.
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Mini Viper

Wow, that looks almost identical to the build I'm doing.

Just curious: When you receive the short cable kit, are you planning on flipping the PSU back and reinstalling?

Do you find the case fans loud? That's one thing I'm concerned about as I've heard they are loud from a few posts.
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Mini Viper build now on page 1.

21 builds and counting....
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I'm out of pci express slots and want another tv tuner. Is the ati theater 650 pci a good card? Is it as good as pci express? I can get one a lot cheaper than buying a dual tuner pci express card.
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Originally Posted by squeakybirnbaum View Post

I'm out of pci express slots and want another tv tuner. Is the ati theater 650 pci a good card? Is it as good as pci express? I can get one a lot cheaper than buying a dual tuner pci express card.

What about the HD Homerun?
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Originally Posted by bonscott87 View Post

Did you just install Haali? Haali is pretty buggy. I'm pretty sure you'd also need FFDShow as well, not just Haali.

Easiest thing to do is uninstall Haali and any other codec you may have installed. Install Shark007 (make sure UAC is turned ON), run the config program as admin and click the recommended settings button. That alone should do it although on the MKV tab you should probably disable Divx media foundation. If you do DD or DTS then you'd also want to enable passthru on the audio tab.

Thanks Assassin, Bonscott, CatOnFire :-). I have looked in the control panel>sound>hardware and sound>sound>manage audio devices>speaker properties (and realtek digital output)>advanced. I also have a Realtek audio manager that I've explored. I've looked in the Haali media settings, and I am not seeing anything hdmi or pass through. Also, I did not create any users when I loaded win 7, so I guess I don't have an administrator account.
Mi hdmi no esta en casa!
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Originally Posted by squeakybirnbaum View Post

I'm out of pci express slots and want another tv tuner. Is the ati theater 650 pci a good card? Is it as good as pci express? I can get one a lot cheaper than buying a dual tuner pci express card.

I had the same problem. I bought a msi pci tuner off newegg. Its actually $60 right now but I got an open box one for $30. A pci tuner is fine, at least I have never noticed a difference. I also got an opne box kworld usb tuner for $18. Works fine.

You should be fine with that tuner.

For all tuners there seems to be a lot of bad reviews. I think a lot of it is weak singals and user error. People trying to use the crappy software included with the tuners.
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I have a Denon AVR-4310ci Home Theater Receiver which is connected to my HTPC through and HDMI cable. I have no trouble getting files to play Dolby Digital & DTS Surround. Receiver recognizes the signal, plays the signal and the receiver displays that it is using the signal. Recently, I download MakeMKV. I was going to attempt to rip my Blu Ray movies to my hard drive and I wanted to preserve the Dolby True HD Audio. When I did this, first of all I Windows Media Player simply wouldn't play the files saying that the files were not in a proper format. Keep in mind that all other MKV files that I already had on my HTPC play just fine. So I thought maybe it couldn't recognize the Dobly True HD that was copied from MakeMKV. I re-ripped the movie with Dolby True HD unchecked and only Dolby Digital checked. Same problem. I got into the Shark007 codecs, played with some settings that people used from the internet. Now when I tried to open the MKV file with Windows Media Player, windows media player would launch, but the file wouldn't and the screen said, "Play Music", "open library", etc. Basically the generic screen that opens when you open Windows media player by itself. So, next I installed MPC-HC to see if I could get the MKV file to play in it. When I got it installed, MPC-HC played the MKV files just fine, both of them. The only problem was that my receiver would not convert over to even Dobly Digital for the Dolby Digital file or the Dolby True HD for the Dolby True HD file. My receiver stayed on 7 Channel Stereo. Basically, my receiver was not receiving the correct audio from the HTPC or the player. Again, I have a Denon AVR-4310ci. When I go to my "Control Panel" and click on "Sound", the computer shows the "Denon-AVAmp" in there. When I click on "Supported Formats" I only see "Dolby Digital" and "DTS". There is no "DTS-HD" or "Dolby True HD". Is this a problem or part of my problem? "Dolby Digital" and "DTS" both play fine on my receiver with all file types. Before anyone asks, yes the Denon AVR-4310ci does play "Dolby-HD" and "Dolby True HD" formats. It's written directly on the front of the receiver.

I took it a step further. I decided to download some sample files that contain the "Dolby True HD" audio format. I downloaded some of the files from the following website: http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/hi...n-trailers.php

When I did this, it displayed only "Dolby Digital" on my receiver when I downloaded the files that were supposed to be "Dolby True HD".

In conclusion, I guess I have the following things I need answered:

1.) Why won't Windows Media Player play my MKV files that I made ripping my Blu Ray discs using MakeMKV?

2.) Why doesn't my Denon AVR-4310ci receiver show that it supports "DTS-HD" and "Dolby True HD" in the "Control Panel" and "Sound" when it clearly is capable from the receiver specs.

3.) Why won't my receiver play "DTS-HD" or "Dolby True HD" with any of the files (downloaded samples, or files from my own Blu Rays that are formatted for "Dolby True HD" that I create using MakeMKV?

FYI: My receiver does play "Dolby True HD" through my PS3 utilizing it as the Blu Ray player for the Blu Ray disc.
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post


I had the same problem. I bought a msi pci tuner off newegg. Its actually $60 right now but I got an open box one for $30. A pci tuner is fine, at least I have never noticed a difference. I also got an opne box kworld usb tuner for $18. Works fine.

You should be fine with that tuner.

For all tuners there seems to be a lot of bad reviews. I think a lot of it is weak singals and user error. People trying to use the crappy software included with the tuners.

What splitter should be used for multiple tuner feeds? Is this one okay?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882719302
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Originally Posted by BradGinter View Post

I have a Denon AVR-4310ci Home Theater Receiver which is connected to my HTPC through and HDMI cable. I have no trouble getting files to play Dolby Digital & DTS Surround. Receiver recognizes the signal, plays the signal and the receiver displays that it is using the signal. Recently, I download MakeMKV. I was going to attempt to rip my Blu Ray movies to my hard drive and I wanted to preserve the Dolby True HD Audio. When I did this, first of all I Windows Media Player simply wouldn't play the files saying that the files were not in a proper format. Keep in mind that all other MKV files that I already had on my HTPC play just fine. So I thought maybe it couldn't recognize the Dobly True HD that was copied from MakeMKV. I re-ripped the movie with Dolby True HD unchecked and only Dolby Digital checked. Same problem. I got into the Shark007 codecs, played with some settings that people used from the internet. Now when I tried to open the MKV file with Windows Media Player, windows media player would launch, but the file wouldn't and the screen said, "Play Music", "open library", etc. Basically the generic screen that opens when you open Windows media player by itself. So, next I installed MPC-HC to see if I could get the MKV file to play in it. When I got it installed, MPC-HC played the MKV files just fine, both of them. The only problem was that my receiver would not convert over to even Dobly Digital for the Dolby Digital file or the Dolby True HD for the Dolby True HD file. My receiver stayed on 7 Channel Stereo. Basically, my receiver was not receiving the correct audio from the HTPC or the player. Again, I have a Denon AVR-4310ci. When I go to my "Control Panel" and click on "Sound", the computer shows the "Denon-AVAmp" in there. When I click on "Supported Formats" I only see "Dolby Digital" and "DTS". There is no "DTS-HD" or "Dolby True HD". Is this a problem or part of my problem? "Dolby Digital" and "DTS" both play fine on my receiver with all file types. Before anyone asks, yes the Denon AVR-4310ci does play "Dolby-HD" and "Dolby True HD" formats. It's written directly on the front of the receiver.

I took it a step further. I decided to download some sample files that contain the "Dolby True HD" audio format. I downloaded some of the files from the following website: http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/hi...n-trailers.php

When I did this, it displayed only "Dolby Digital" on my receiver when I downloaded the files that were supposed to be "Dolby True HD".

In conclusion, I guess I have the following things I need answered:

1.) Why won't Windows Media Player play my MKV files that I made ripping my Blu Ray discs using MakeMKV?

2.) Why doesn't my Denon AVR-4310ci receiver show that it supports "DTS-HD" and "Dolby True HD" in the "Control Panel" and "Sound" when it clearly is capable from the receiver specs.

3.) Why won't my receiver play "DTS-HD" or "Dolby True HD" with any of the files (downloaded samples, or files from my own Blu Rays that are formatted for "Dolby True HD" that I create using MakeMKV?

FYI: My receiver does play "Dolby True HD" through my PS3 utilizing it as the Blu Ray player for the Blu Ray disc.

What CPU and gpu do you have? Do either support hd audio?
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Originally Posted by joeydrunk View Post

What CPU and gpu do you have? Do either support hd audio?

He has an i3 Clarkdale using integrated graphics.
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

What about the HD Homerun?

Yeah I was looking at that but it's $130 for the Homerun vs. $25 for a refurb ati 650.

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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

I had the same problem. I bought a msi pci tuner off newegg. Its actually $60 right now but I got an open box one for $30. A pci tuner is fine, at least I have never noticed a difference. I also got an opne box kworld usb tuner for $18. Works fine.

You should be fine with that tuner.

For all tuners there seems to be a lot of bad reviews. I think a lot of it is weak singals and user error. People trying to use the crappy software included with the tuners.

I got the ati 750 usb but every time I tried to record it would stay on for a few minutes and then disconnect. I tried different drivers and it didn't help. It also changed channels really slowly and seemed to get really hot really quickly. It also had a weaker tuner than my ati 650 pci-e that works great and has a strong tuner. Hopefully the 650 pci version works as well as the pci-e.
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Originally Posted by tbraden32 View Post

Just curious of people who have built this simple htpc...do you hard wire or wifi your Internet connections?


How much difference would or can you see when trying to stream content or download torrents?

I am running mine wireless but had to make some consessions.
I purchased this very sensitive usb wi-fi adaptor from Newegg for $20 it is a Realtek device so it pretty much plays nice the other Realtek devices built on the Gigabyte mobo. I also added a 6foot USB extension so I could mount it higher up on the back wall with some velcro.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-003-_-Product

I was seeing 4 of the neighbors wi-fi routers but this new adapter shows 14!
So my signal sits right at 95% to 100% consistently.
My HD signals are coming from the antenna mounted in the attic and passed to the SiliconDust HDHomerun dual tuner and is pretty much rock solid with two exceptions.

1. If we try to watch an HD channel and at the same time try to record an HD channel, then we do have stuttering both live and in the recording. I guess it is just too much bandwidth for the wi-fi to handle.

2. The microwave in the kitchen (right next to the family room) completely freezes the picture until it stops cooking then it can take up to 2 or three minutes for the picture to settle back down again.

Here is how I resolved #1:
I set my office computer (which is directly connected to the router) to perform the timed recording of shows and the HTPC is only for watching live shows. Then I copy the recorded shows to the HTPC for later viewing.

The resolution for #2 was a bit more difficult and although not completely healed, it is now tolerable. Microwaves operate at around 2.4GHz which is also used by parts of wi-fi. The channels from 7 to 11 are particularly susceptible. I also noted the neighborhood wi-fi channels in use, especially the ones showing a greater than 50% signal (which there were four) and picked a much less busy channel for my router and the USB wi-fi, channel 3. So, instead of the router automatically picking one we are now locked in. This didn't totally cure it but the picture is at least now viewable with some minor pixelation but there are no audio dropouts and zero picture freezing.

Later, I will have to revisit how to get an ethernet cable over to that TV or perhaps one of those ethernet over the A/C wiring thingys might work? Hmmmmm.

Note: my AT&T U-verse wi-fi router only supports 802.11 b/g if you have the n protocol you may be golden.
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Originally Posted by jcbaggins View Post

Mini Viper

Wow, that looks almost identical to the build I'm doing.

Just curious: When you receive the short cable kit, are you planning on flipping the PSU back and reinstalling?

Do you find the case fans loud? That's one thing I'm concerned about as I've heard they are loud from a few posts.

The PSU has to be installed with the fan facing up. The MOBO power cable interferes with the drive cage with it facing down. If you can remove the hotswap cage you can mount the PSU with the fan down but then you have to use to the two less optimal mounting points for your HDDs (One above the PSU and one underneath the ODD). I just want less cables as you see my pictures are a mess, so I'm hoping the shorter cables will help with that.

As far as the fans, I put the filters on the outside as some members suggested and undervolted them to 5v (no idea what they sound like at 12v). They were quiet at first but one sounds like it is having some sort of bearing issue now. Haven't messed with it enough to see if I can fix it (been too pissed off dealing with the random lockups I was having). The stock CPU cooler could be quieter too as it was the loudest noise until that case fan started acting up. You can hear the PSU but it sound more like a wooshing air noise. I'm tempted to get a Big Shuriken for the CPU, but may wait to see how bad the noise is once it's actually in my home theater before I make the change. The case fan is a different story, and I may see if Silverstone can send me another if I can't fix it.

Looking forward to getting the Ceton and getting rid of my comcast box!
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I only use wireless for my laptop (only sometimes, even) and my phone. The HTPC as well as the media player, blu-ray player and TV are all on a gig switch over Cat 5e... no crosstalk, no microwave interference no neighbor's traffic.
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

The cheapest way would be to get a fanless video card for that LGA 775 board. The 5450 is an option although the new 6450 just came out and ATI will be phasing out the 5450 eventually.

5450 is about $35, 6450 is $50.

6450 supports 3D as well.

Either one looks capable. I need a low profile model for the new case. I checked the Sapphire website and they recommend a 400 watt PSU. The one that came with the case is 300 watt. Will this cause a problem?
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Originally Posted by Tizi View Post

Either one looks capable. I need a low profile model for the new case. I checked the Sapphire website and they recommend a 400 watt PSU. The one that came with the case is 300 watt. Will this cause a problem?

If you need a low profile then get the fanless 6450 from ASUS. The Sapphire one does not come with the low profile bracket while the ASUS one does (click their pictures on newegg to see the brackets).

As far as the wattage just ignore their recs. My similar 5450 has similar manufacturer recs and idles at 3-5 watts and uses only about 20 watts at load.

Yes, you read that correctly.
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