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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Nice BIOS tweeks. What MoBo do you have?

Gigabyte GA-H67MA-UD2H-B3 - $130

Anyone else have some tweaks to offer?

Jim
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Originally Posted by avs-n00b View Post

Hmm... worth waiting if I'm just about to start my build? How long 'til they're available, and what is really going to be "better"?

Completely depends on what you want to do. For typical HTPC use either CPU is just fine.
post #4563 of 15486
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Originally Posted by avs-n00b View Post

I was just thinking of maybe going to a Micro-ATX so that I could have more PCI-E slots, in case I wanted to throw in a TV tuner/DVR card or something else. I didn't really have a GOOD reason, but since I've always built my own PCs, I have a sort of "gut feeling" to always build with an eye to upgrading down the line. I know that since this is a "single-purpose" computer, it's not as much of an issue, but it's hard to shake the feeling.

Ahh, I see. I'd recommend MicroATX with a home theatre style component case. Should give you room for 3-4 PCI-e slots if necessary and plenty of room to add storage or an optical drive down the road. If I could do it all again, that's what I'd do instead of the Mini-ITX route I decided on, no specific regrets though.
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Newegg has a $10 off $50 code for new customers (or new accounts) that will end soon.

Again --- I can't post it due to AVS rules but you can find it with google.
post #4565 of 15486
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Originally Posted by avs-n00b View Post

Also,

Pretty ridiculous deal for a MODULAR power supply.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341016

Granted, 500W is overkill for most (all?) HTPC builds, but at $70 - $15 coupon code - $20 rebate... we're talking $35+tax/shipping for a modular supply. That's damn near unbeatable, at least as far as I can tell.

Thanks, sounds like the rebates from OCZ are a little shaky but even $55 is a pretty good deal. I am putting together a second computer for editing videos, and as another HD storage since my WHS is running out of space. I recently built a i3 Clarkdale HTPC based on this guide. I am planning on just adding drives to this new PC build which will be located in the office. So far, I have ordered the Antec 300 case, this OCZ power supply, the Kingston 64gb SSD yesterday for the operating system and one of the 2tb Samsung drive to get this PC off to a good start. Looking to get an i5 2500k and one of the new Z68 motherboards and probably 8gb's of memory. This will be a general purpose PC for some light video editing, photo editing and ripping video. I've got a spare DVD drive for now but I will eventually get a Bluray burner or Bluray drive. I can swap the Bluray burner out of my HTPC if I need to.
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I love it! People are now building their 2nd HTPC based on this guide.

That's fantastic!
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assassin, your guide is fantastic and has been extremely helpful. I'll be building an HTPC in late August so I can have it for the next school year, and I just wanted to clear up a question I've been wondering about.

Is it ever a good idea to use a PSU that is included with a case? I've read a lot of negative feedback regarding these PSUs.
post #4568 of 15486
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Intel i3 Sandy Bridge z68 Recommendations

The z68 is a new chipset that has a few advantages over its brother, the h67. These motherboards appear to be the same price or even less than the h67.
  • Ability to overclock and use integrated graphics
  • SSD Caching (Smart Response Technology)

Unless you are gaming or transcoding large files I recommend against overclocking your HTPC. This will add additional heat to a CPU that is already plenty strong enough for all HTPC uses.

SSD Caching uses tandem of a traditional hard drive and a small SSD (up to 64GB) which it uses as a cache. This needs to be setup as a raid on your motherboard for this to function. You will need to install Windows 7 on your hard drive as you normally would but use RAID instead of AHCI. Intel's RST 10.5 drivers will allow you to then setup the SSD as a cache for the hard drive.

So what's the take home message? Although this way of using a small SSD is not as good as a larger independent SSD (like adding a separate 40-64GB SSD for your OS) it allows you to get the benefit of SSD speeds by adding a much smaller 16-20GB SSD for around $50.

My recommendations:

GIGABYTE GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 z68 - $125
2 SATAIII, 4 SATAII, 4 RAM slots USB 3.0, digital optical output. An great board for most users with typical Gigabyte quality throughout.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128495

ASRock Z68 PRO3-M - $125
2 SATAIII, 3 SATAII, 4 RAM slots, USB 3.0, eSATA, digital optical output. Another great option.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157252
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Originally Posted by jurgja01 View Post

assassin, your guide is fantastic and has been extremely helpful. I'll be building an HTPC in late August so I can have it for the next school year, and I just wanted to clear up a question I've been wondering about.

Is it ever a good idea to use a PSU that is included with a case? I've read a lot of negative feedback regarding these PSUs.

Depends on the case/manufacturer. But for the most part they are shipped with very basic PSUs of marginal quality.
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Sandy Bridge section updated on page 1 to include z68.
post #4571 of 15486
Just an update on Ceton progress. Still working on recording late night TV to test wakeup functions on HTPC. One issue which I've found is that if the tuner is set to record a non-recordable channel (no signal) then it can't be reused until a full HTPC restart (reboot) is performed. Not sure if this is a driver issue or a 7MC issue.

Also Ceton claims that ClearQAM not fully supported due to 7MC setup not properly completing without a CableCard installed even though it apparently does.

So it seems that testing prior to installing a CableCard may be futile.

I'm taking the risk and calling Comcast today.

Jim
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Assassin, what do you think of this ASROCK card? (ASRock Z68 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157250
I know it is more expensive but it has esata and a USB3.0 front panel as well. I like the number of sata connections along with the esata for adding a JBOD later. I know I can get a card but to have everything inboard would be nice.

EDIT** I eneded up ordering it with the following:
Antec 300
Samsung 2TB
Intel Core i5-2500K
G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (Low Voltage)
AFT PRO-55U All-in-one USB 2.0 Card Reader
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7
and finally an adapter for the USB 3.0 that comes with the ASRock board Antec 30300 Three Hundred 5.25" To 3.5" Drive Bay Adapter Assembly
I already have Windows 7. Still need to find a nice new monitor around 24" and a bluray drive(hoping for a Fry's special this Friday
I should have everything by next week
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Ok, so I might be interested in taking the plunge here. I am currently a mac user, but I previously built a pc with the help of a friend and I think I could do it on my own. I am just wondering a few things about what exactly an HTPC can do for me.

I understand that with a blu-ray drive I will be able to watch my blu-rays and possibly even save them onto a hard drive and create something like a movie jukebox, right?

The Sandy Bridge appears to have 3d capabilities, could this go as far as 2d to 3d conversion? If so, what software would be needed?

Is there anyway to have a dual hdmi output allowing the bitstreaming of HD audio out of one hdmi port and the HD video out of the other hdmi port?

I read that you have the ability to choose aspect ratios, does this include vertically stretching an image (or removing black bars top and bottom) for use with an anamorphic lens? If so, can this be done with 3d blu-rays as well?

Is there a software that can be used as a final video processor prior to sending the video out? Would such a software include a Color Management System, noise reduction, etc.? Would an HTPC with said software be comparable to a Lumagen video processor?

I see that some cases have lcd screens on the front, what benefits do these screens give you?

How do you navigate through the HTPC? Do you need a keyboard and mouse or can you use some sort of remote control?

I read that irule allows you to control WMC, however I plan to do a full irule install using global cache hardware. Is there anyway to control a HTPC via RS-232? If so, would the control be limited to basically just turning the PC on and off?

I'm sure I will have more questions in the near future, and I apologize if some or all of the above have been asked and answered, I just hadn't run across them as of yet. Thanks in advance!

-Sean
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Intel i3 Sandy Bridge z68 Recommendations

The z68 is a new chipset that has a few advantages over its brother, the h67. These motherboards appear to be the same price or even less than the h67.
  • Ability to overclock and use integrated graphics
  • SSD Caching (Smart Response Technology)

Here's a review that just came out of an MSI motherboard with that chipset (granted, it's ATX but will give you an idea of what to expect).
post #4575 of 15486
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Ok, so I might be interested in taking the plunge here. I am currently a mac user, but I previously built a pc with the help of a friend and I think I could do it on my own. I am just wondering a few things about what exactly an HTPC can do for me.


How do you navigate through the HTPC? Do you need a keyboard and mouse or can you use some sort of remote control?

I read that irule allows you to control WMC, however I plan to do a full irule install using global cache hardware. Is there anyway to control a HTPC via RS-232? If so, would the control be limited to basically just turning the PC on and off?

-Sean

I am no expert on HTPC, but I did build one based on Assasin's excellent guide and I also use iRule so can shed a little light on that here.

You can use a remote for control, several are listed in the guide. iRule can also be used and does not require the global cache hardware. MCE controller will do the trick. Here is the tutorial from the irule site:

http://www.iruleathome.com/tutorials/mce-control.html

The global cache hardware is only needed to control devices that are not controllable by IP. This is most of your other AV equipment though more an more (especially higher end) items offer IP control. For IP control through iRule to be possible the manufacturer must publish their protocol. Some companies do, some do not. Best to check before purchase if buying new.

I am still in the set up phase of my HTPC build so have not implemented MCE yet with iRule though many have with excellent results according to the iRule master thread here at AVS, found in the remotes section.
post #4576 of 15486
Are there any concerns of the new z68 mobo having any unforeseen issues?
If they are relatively the same price as a h67 is there any reason not to go with the z68?
Is it worth waiting to see if there are any bugs that come up?
post #4577 of 15486
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Originally Posted by davemathews68 View Post

Are there any concerns of the new z68 mobo having any unforeseen issues?
If they are relatively the same price as a h67 is there any reason not to go with the z68?
Is it worth waiting to see if there are any bugs that come up?

I hope not since I just ordered one
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Originally Posted by davemathews68 View Post

Are there any concerns of the new z68 mobo having any unforeseen issues?
If they are relatively the same price as a h67 is there any reason not to go with the z68?
Is it worth waiting to see if there are any bugs that come up?

Absolutely. That's always the risk with buying new technology.

The Sandy Bridge motherboard recall was a fiasco and a recent example from a few months ago.
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Originally Posted by badgerpilot View Post

Assassin, what do you think of this ASROCK card? (ASRock Z68 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157250

I like ASRock a lot. Its the same company as ASUS in case you didn't know.
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Sean - That was one heck of a post! To answer your questions...

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

I understand that with a blu-ray drive I will be able to watch my blu-rays and possibly even save them onto a hard drive and create something like a movie jukebox, right?

Absolutely. Most use a program called makemkv to rip them onto their hard drives. You can also use a program called handbrake afterwords to skrink the size if you want. Makemkv is free for 30 days at a time (for now) and takes 30 minutes or more depending on the size of the movie and the speed of your drive. Handbrake is free and can take many many hours (and is only needed if you want to shrink your movie which causes a loss in quality).

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

The Sandy Bridge appears to have 3d capabilities, could this go as far as 2d to 3d conversion? If so, what software would be needed?

You need playback software like PowerDVD or TMT5. Both are around $100.

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Is there anyway to have a dual hdmi output allowing the bitstreaming of HD audio out of one hdmi port and the HD video out of the other hdmi port?

Just buy a DVI to HDMI cable and you can use the DVI and HDMI ports on most boards.

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

I read that you have the ability to choose aspect ratios, does this include vertically stretching an image (or removing black bars top and bottom) for use with an anamorphic lens? If so, can this be done with 3d blu-rays as well?

This I don't know. I never remove the black bars as I think it compromises the movie, personally.

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Is there a software that can be used as a final video processor prior to sending the video out? Would such a software include a Color Management System, noise reduction, etc.? Would an HTPC with said software be comparable to a Lumagen video processor?

There are a lot of post-processing options available. Do a search in this forum and you can find them. I don't do this personally as I find the picture just about perfect.

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

I see that some cases have lcd screens on the front, what benefits do these screens give you?

Very little unless your HTPC is located in a media closet that is not in view of your viewing area. This allows you to make changes on the HTPC case screen without being able to see the regular viewing screen. Personally when my HTPC is viewable I want as few lights as possible visible.

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

How do you navigate through the HTPC? Do you need a keyboard and mouse or can you use some sort of remote control?

You can use either once it is all set up. You will obviously need a keyboard and remote for the initial setup.

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

I read that irule allows you to control WMC, however I plan to do a full irule install using global cache hardware. Is there anyway to control a HTPC via RS-232? If so, would the control be limited to basically just turning the PC on and off?

Yes, this is possible. It even seems like there is a post devoted to just this subject as was mentioned above by someone else.

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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

I'm sure I will have more questions in the near future, and I apologize if some or all of the above have been asked and answered, I just hadn't run across them as of yet. Thanks in advance!

You are welcome.
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Anyone find a z68 Asus mATX board released today? Time to buy my ram too. Is there a special type to get for z68? Might as well get 8gb if I splurged for the i5 I guess.
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Is the PSU SILVERSTONE Strider Plus 500W the quietest PSU in the selection?
Does the PSU vary the fan speed?
post #4583 of 15486
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Originally Posted by Grubert View Post
Here's a review that just came out of an MSI motherboard with that chipset (granted, it's ATX but will give you an idea of what to expect).
I am in love with MSI as a company for their high quality yet inexpensive motherboards and video cards. I'm a full convert to MSI from Asus which I feel has fallen off the wagon lately.

My only regret now with my gaming PCs I just built is I didn't wait a month to get the Z68 boards. Then again I don't overclock so it's not really a big deal.
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Originally Posted by bonscott87 View Post
I am in love with MSI as a company for their high quality yet inexpensive motherboards and video cards. I'm a full convert to MSI from Asus which I feel has fallen off the wagon lately.

My only regret now with my gaming PCs I just built is I didn't wait a month to get the Z68 boards. Then again I don't overclock so it's not really a big deal.
MSI is a good company as well and I would have absolutely no problems with using one of their boards.

I still think that Gigabyte probably makes the best boards. There are people who post on here from time to time with knowledge in motherboard manufacturing who swear that Gigabyte uses the best parts, has the best construction and has the best quality control.

I don't think you can go wrong with Gigabyte, ASUS/ASRock or MSI.
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post
How do you navigate through the HTPC? Do you need a keyboard and mouse or can you use some sort of remote control?

I read that irule allows you to control WMC, however I plan to do a full irule install using global cache hardware. Is there anyway to control a HTPC via RS-232? If so, would the control be limited to basically just turning the PC on and off?
-Sean
iRule uses HTTP to control MCE. In essence, MCE becomes as "gateway" in iRule parlance and iRule speaks directly to it. There would be no need for RS232 in that situation. If you need RS232 to control other devices in your theater (such as blu-ray player, receiver, etc.), then you could use a Global Cache as a gateway to translate iRule's IP commands to RS232.

BUT, you may want to consider using the HTPC itself for that purpose instead of a separate Global Cache device. I'm considering this myself. Simply by adding serial (RS232) ports to your PC (and assuming the PC stays on all the time), iRule could use the PC as a "gateway" to translate IP commands from iRule into RS232 commands that your devices will understand. The HTPC would replace the Global Cache in this scenario.

- Ken
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I like ASRock a lot. Its the same company as ASUS in case you didn't know.

I think this is actually no longer true. And I think since they became separate they actually got better. Sorry I have no link to back it up but I am pretty sure they are independent now.

I love asrock though great features for the $$.

OT do you guys pronounce it Ass Rock? lol
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

I think this is actually no longer true. And I think since they became separate they actually got better. Sorry I have no link to back it up but I am pretty sure they are independent now.

This. Pretty sure they've branched off from ASUS since at least last year.
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

OT do you guys pronounce it Ass Rock? lol

That's what stops me from buying their stuff. Ass Rock = Winger, Poison, Mötley Crüe
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

This. Pretty sure they've branched off from ASUS since at least last year.

They are the same.

From another site discussing ASRock and ASUS (01/28/11):

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While they aren't a direct division of Asus, they were spun off from Asus, and Asus still holds a majority interest in the ASRock company. To believe that they have nothing to do with eachother, and aren't sharing ideas and R&D between eachother is diluted.

I also caught something about Asus dealing with Pegatron for the Asrock name, so it looks like now they are in fact separated

Pegatron is another company that was spun off from Asus in 2007.

Another (01/30/11):
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboa...ainboards.html
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Established in 2002 in a bid to serve the market of low-cost mainboards, Asrock became the world's third largest supplier of motherboards in 2010 after its parent company Asustek Computer as well as Gigabyte Technology.
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Originally Posted by rwpritchett View Post

That's what stops me from buying their stuff. Ass Rock = Winger, Poison, Mötley Crüe

...and don't forget about Nickleback. *shudder*
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