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Originally Posted by lembrey View Post

Here is what grabbed and current$
Gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 $114.99
Intel i3-2105 Sandy Bridge $119.99
G.SKILL Ripjaw X series 2x2gb DDR3 1600 $29.99
OCZ Sld3-25SAT-60G 60GB SSD $89.99
Lite-On 12x BluRay burner w/3D $99.99
HEC Black .7mm Media center case w/300W PS $59.99
Ceton InfiniTV 4 quad tuner $219.99
Win7 Home premium 64bit $99.99
Standard A133 USB optical 800spi mouse $0.00 with case
Optical Quantum 25GB 4x BD-R 5pack $0.00 with BR drive

Ok,
I just quoted my build above in cas eanyone was curious what combo I have.. I will go thru the bios and check things out. I am 99% sure I put quick boot enabled and took off the bios boot screen. I am pretty sure I am in ACHI mode as well.

The ........ in the top right of the screen is where it sits at the longest amount of time.

Glad I am not just imagining it.. I actually timed it this am @ 1:20 that is with and without the 1tb sata drive connected.

All that I know is loading is win7 and MS security suite per Assassin's AWESOME guides.
post #9362 of 15486
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lembrey View Post

Ok,
I just quoted my build above in cas eanyone was curious what combo I have.. I will go thru the bios and check things out. I am 99% sure I put quick boot enabled and took off the bios boot screen. I am pretty sure I am in ACHI mode as well.

The ........ in the top right of the screen is where it sits at the longest amount of time.

Glad I am not just imagining it.. I actually timed it this am @ 1:20 that is with and without the 1tb sata drive connected.

All that I know is loading is win7 and MS security suite per Assassin's AWESOME guides.

What do you have set to boot first in bios? If its the optical drive move it to second or later. Set the SSD first.
post #9363 of 15486
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Originally Posted by doubleoerik View Post

Setup is:
Silverstone GD04B case
- This case has three case fans but there is only one connector on the MB for a system fan. How should I connect the other two fans? Is there a connector adapter I can get or have you guys just cut/crimped the fans together and ran them directly to the PS via one of the peripheral outputs?

I have that case as well (and like it a lot).

It's pretty easy to cool, but in my view the three stock fans are excessive and a little noisy. I think there are two good approaches. Either buy slower, quieter fans like Noctua NF-S12B FLX (which is what I did), or slow down the three stock fans, either with something like a Zalman Fan Mate, or with three of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...xus-_-11996016Then you can power the fans directly off the PSU and slow them down.
post #9364 of 15486
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

What do you have set to boot first in bios? If its the optical drive move it to second or later. Set the SSD first.

Good call on that Assassin.. I am pretty sure I do have it to boot 1st. I thought with no CD it would blip right past instantly, but will check when I get home!
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What are acceptable CPU and system temperatures?
post #9366 of 15486
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

What do you have set to boot first in bios? If its the optical drive move it to second or later. Set the SSD first.

This is good practice and should be followed .

However , in my experience on a properly operating system that only shaves off about a second or two in boot times at most. The op say's he is up to a 1:20 boot time on an ssd that should post windows in about 20 secs or so .

I had this happen one time ware I had the cd set as the first boot and when the system booted to the p.o.s.t. screen it would hang at the point ware the system was trying to boot from the cd rom first and then after a long time it would boot from the HD. My issue was a failing sata port on the mother board to cd rom drive . Switched to another port and all was better .If the ssd is in fact the first boot device then try moving that sata cable to another port, if you can. A bad or intermittent sata cable can do this as well . You may not like this but a fresh windows install could fix this as well ( the slow boot that is). Last resort though !

Edit : You could also shut down and unhook your internet connection and disable essentials from starting at boot and re time the process . I'm trying to ask you ware the variable is ... when did it start ? Was it after a software update / firm ware update or adding a new driver or has it done this from day one ?

I could be wrong ... just my .02

-flocko
post #9367 of 15486
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Originally Posted by doubleoerik View Post

- This case has three case fans but there is only one connector on the MB for a system fan. How should I connect the other two fans? Is there a connector adapter I can get or have you guys just cut/crimped the fans together and ran them directly to the PS via one of the peripheral outputs?

I have the GD05 with the same fans. I followed page 1 of this thread to change the voltage to 5v and run them slower. To me they are very quiet and it's a great solution.
post #9368 of 15486
Thread Starter 
I've been at work again. Updated a few of the XBMC guides thanks to feedback from a few users.

Added New Guide #42 to the WMC guides tonight.

Enjoy!
post #9369 of 15486
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Originally Posted by Zon2020 View Post

I have that case as well (and like it a lot).

It's pretty easy to cool, but in my view the three stock fans are excessive and a little noisy. I think there are two good approaches. Either buy slower, quieter fans like Noctua NF-S12B FLX (which is what I did), or slow down the three stock fans, either with something like a Zalman Fan Mate, or with three of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...xus-_-11996016Then you can power the fans directly off the PSU and slow them down.

I just finished my build with The Silverstone gD04 case. It comes with a cable that has a molex connector on one end and 3 fan connectors on the other. Thats what I used. I did under volt the fans to 5v to reduce the case noise. Cooling now is only ok, but the fans IMHO are still too noisy.

Thanks for the tip on the Nexus fans I will have to try them out.
post #9370 of 15486
Thread Starter 
Just finished another guide that we have been working on with a blog user.

I think we have over 60 total guides now and counting.

Guide #43: Increasing Replay and Pause Buffer Duration in WMC
post #9371 of 15486
I had it CD 1st. Boot is now about 35 seconds to windows desktop showing 40sec to loaded and no "busy" mouse cursor. BIG improvement. it takes about 15-20 of that just to get past mobo posting, so I will continue to look for things, but I am much happier already..

@flocko - This is the 1st I had paid attention to it, I have only had this rig built for about a week. still tinkering but the load time "felt" long. Now that it is at 35ish seconds I am much happier.
post #9372 of 15486
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lembrey View Post

I had it CD 1st. Boot is now about 35 seconds to windows desktop showing 40sec to loaded and no "busy" mouse cursor. BIG improvement. it takes about 15-20 of that just to get past mobo posting, so I will continue to look for things, but I am much happier already..

I've had a few boards that take forever to get past the optical drive as well.

Here's a video that I made about 6 months ago or so with 2 identical builds except one had a hard drive and one had a SSD.

http://www.assassinhtpc.com/about.php#ssd
post #9373 of 15486
Awesome - thanks Flocko!

Anyone else on here have experience installing windows 7 from an external drive?
post #9374 of 15486
Quote:
Originally Posted by lembrey View Post

I had it CD 1st. Boot is now about 35 seconds to windows desktop showing 40sec to loaded and no "busy" mouse cursor. BIG improvement. it takes about 15-20 of that just to get past mobo posting, so I will continue to look for things, but I am much happier already..

@flocko - This is the 1st I had paid attention to it, I have only had this rig built for about a week. still tinkering but the load time "felt" long. Now that it is at 35ish seconds I am much happier.

I haven't tried this one but I will compare on my Main Rig when I get a chance - http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-sp...indows-7-boot/ and this - http://www.pchell.com/support/how_to...oot_time.shtml
post #9375 of 15486
Quote:
Originally Posted by lembrey View Post

Ok,
I just quoted my build above in cas eanyone was curious what combo I have.. I will go thru the bios and check things out. I am 99% sure I put quick boot enabled and took off the bios boot screen. I am pretty sure I am in ACHI mode as well.

The ........ in the top right of the screen is where it sits at the longest amount of time.

Glad I am not just imagining it.. I actually timed it this am @ 1:20 that is with and without the 1tb sata drive connected.

All that I know is loading is win7 and MS security suite per Assassin's AWESOME guides.

you dont have any USB/eSATA external drives atatched by chance? Depending on size of the external device your boot times could be compromised.
post #9376 of 15486
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Originally Posted by doubleoerik View Post

- This case has three case fans but there is only one connector on the MB for a system fan. How should I connect the other two fans? Is there a connector adapter I can get or have you guys just cut/crimped the fans together and ran them directly to the PS via one of the peripheral outputs?

Try running just one case fan off your MB. You get speed control built in.

I'm running the same case and MB. I tried all three case fans off the power supply but that was too noisy, so I tried hooking up one fan along with the CPU cooler just to see what happened.

As I type this, the computer has been on all day and run pretty hard. System temp is 38C and CPU is 24C. These are up 2 to 4C from idling temps. The only case fan I have running is the one on the right, behind the front USB ports. The CPU fan runs about 1200 rpm and the case fan runs about 550 rpm. It's pretty quiet, although the CPU fan has a "trillling" sound to it.
post #9377 of 15486
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Originally Posted by Taperwood View Post

Try running just one case fan off your MB. You get speed control built in.

I'm running the same case and MB. I tried all three case fans off the power supply but that was too noisy, so I tried hooking up one fan along with the CPU cooler just to see what happened.

As I type this, the computer has been on all day and run pretty hard. System temp is 38C and CPU is 24C. These are up 2 to 4C from idling temps. The only case fan I have running is the one on the right, behind the front USB ports. The CPU fan runs about 1200 rpm and the case fan runs about 550 rpm. It's pretty quiet, although the CPU fan has a "trillling" sound to it.

Are the aftermarket CPU fans (recommended by assasin) a lot quieter?
post #9378 of 15486
Hi Assassin,

I'm looking at building an HTPC using maybe the i3-2105. I understand that you sucessfully use XBMC in 1080p, but how does it behave if the screen auto-refreshes at 24Hz? I've noticed lots of jerkiness (latest eden version) when I tried it on a work PC that has the i3-2100 (it's ok at 60Hz though). Oddly enough, using a discrete card didn't fix the problem either...strange. MPC-HC works better with 24Hz but some screen tearing occurs.

Anyway, just wondering what your experiences are?

regards.
post #9379 of 15486
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Just finished another guide that we have been working on with a blog user.

I think we have over 60 total guides now and counting.

Guide #43: Increasing Replay and Pause Buffer Duration in WMC

Any update as to when the usenet/sickbeard guide will be up?
post #9380 of 15486
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mudwiggle View Post

Hi Assassin,

I'm looking at building an HTPC using maybe the i3-2105. I understand that you sucessfully use XBMC in 1080p, but how does it behave if the screen auto-refreshes at 24Hz? I've noticed lots of jerkiness (latest eden version) when I tried it on a work PC that has the i3-2100 (it's ok at 60Hz though). Oddly enough, using a discrete card didn't fix the problem either...strange. MPC-HC works better with 24Hz but some screen tearing occurs.

Anyway, just wondering what your experiences are?

regards.

It looks fantastic to me on both WMC and XBMC. I don't get caught up in the whole 24p thing and have been very vocal in the past that I think its overblown by many. If you get "lots of jerkiness" then that is NOT the "24p bug" as this should result in 1 missed frame in every 1000 or so. That's not enough to cause "lots of jerkiness" and certainly not enough for me to be obsessive compulsive about.

I just want to watch the #$%$#& movie.
post #9381 of 15486
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by werd View Post

Any update as to when the usenet/sickbeard guide will be up?

Still waiting on the users that I am working with who has offered to research this for me.

Have you seen this guide that we make available free of charge to everyone?
post #9382 of 15486
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

It looks fantastic to me on both WMC and XBMC. I don't get caught up in the whole 24p thing and have been very vocal in the past that I think its overblown by many. If you get "lots of jerkiness" then that is NOT the "24p bug" as this should result in 1 missed frame in every 1000 or so. That's not enough to cause "lots of jerkiness" and certainly not enough for me to be obsessive compulsive about.

I just want to watch the #$%$#& movie.

Wow, thanks for the fast reply.

It's funny, I feel like I've gone the full circle with the 24Hz thing. It looks just as good at 60Hz anyway. Perhaps it was just an obsession for a while (holy Grail). But now I'm after low power, low heat playback. Certainly getting rid of the discrete graphics card will make other decisions (case etc) easier.

Glad to hear XBMC works good though.

So I'm guessing there's very little advantage in getting the HD 3000 version over the HD 2000 for XBMC at 60Hz for 1080p?

Thanks again.
post #9383 of 15486
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Still waiting on the users that I am working with who has offered to research this for me.

Have you seen this guide that we make available free of charge to everyone?

Never saw that thanks - and look forward to the new usenet guide also!
post #9384 of 15486
Quote:
Originally Posted by assassin View Post

It looks fantastic to me on both WMC and XBMC. I don't get caught up in the whole 24p thing and have been very vocal in the past that I think its overblown by many. If you get "lots of jerkiness" then that is NOT the "24p bug" as this should result in 1 missed frame in every 1000 or so. That's not enough to cause "lots of jerkiness" and certainly not enough for me to be obsessive compulsive about.

I just want to watch the #$%$#& movie.

Oh. I forgot to ask...when you use XBMC on the i3-2100 system, is DXVA2 enabled? or will it only work via software?

Regards
mark.
post #9385 of 15486
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Just finished another guide that we have been working on with a blog user.

I think we have over 60 total guides now and counting.

Guide #43: Increasing Replay and Pause Buffer Duration in WMC

Thanks Assassin! You are the man!

For those who have not spent the $20 DO IT!
post #9386 of 15486
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mudwiggle View Post

Oh. I forgot to ask...when you use XBMC on the i3-2100 system, is DXVA2 enabled? or will it only work via software?

Regards
mark.

I believe mine is set as disabled on both my i3 2100 and G620 HTPCs. No issues at all.
post #9387 of 15486
I have no personal experience with aftermarket CPU fans, at least for many years. My stock Intel fan is not offensively loud in my very quiet basement office where it's sitting right in front of me. It's certainly quieter than my Dell Optiplex work computer sitting right next to it, which in itself is a pretty quiet computer. I have yet to install the HTPC upstairs in our living room, but I assume it will not be too loud based on what I hear now.

I really like my Silverstone GD04 case. It's my first case ever that is absolutely silent; no buzzes, no hums, no creaks, no rattles.


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Originally Posted by doubleoerik View Post

Are the aftermarket CPU fans (recommended by assasin) a lot quieter?
post #9388 of 15486
Lembrey,

My boot up time is just over 15 seconds, so you have room for improvement. The only major difference between my box and yours is the Ceton tuner.

Just curious, do you get the graphical Bios screen on your computer? I only get the text screen when entering the Bios. The manual does say you may get either one but doesn't explain why.


Quote:
Originally Posted by lembrey View Post

I had it CD 1st. Boot is now about 35 seconds to windows desktop showing 40sec to loaded and no "busy" mouse cursor. BIG improvement. it takes about 15-20 of that just to get past mobo posting, so I will continue to look for things, but I am much happier already..

@flocko - This is the 1st I had paid attention to it, I have only had this rig built for about a week. still tinkering but the load time "felt" long. Now that it is at 35ish seconds I am much happier.
post #9389 of 15486
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Originally Posted by Taperwood View Post

Lembrey,

My boot up time is just over 15 seconds, so you have room for improvement. The only major difference between my box and yours is the Ceton tuner.

Just curious, do you get the graphical Bios screen on your computer? I only get the text screen when entering the Bios. The manual does say you may get either one but doesn't explain why.

I do not see the graphical screen. I do the the old school bois data and then "IDE list" briefly, then it bounces to another screen that I believe is associated with achi saying it may take a moment. That vanishes and 10sec later or so the starting windows and logo appear.

Long term the goal is to not need to restart it and leave it on 24/7 as a DVR, but fast spool would be nice for when it is off.
post #9390 of 15486
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lembrey View Post

I do not see the graphical screen. I do the the old school bois data and then "IDE list" briefly, then it bounces to another screen that I believe is associated with achi saying it may take a moment. That vanishes and 10sec later or so the starting windows and logo appear.

Long term the goal is to not need to restart it and leave it on 24/7 as a DVR, but fast spool would be nice for when it is off.

See if there are some other things you can disable in bios.
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