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post #1381 of 2223
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

When Llano comes out it's going to have to be pretty cheap to compete with a $78 Pentium + $80 H61 motherboard for basic builds. Those prices even give the current Fusion motherboards a run for their money and the Pentium/H61 has much more CPU horsepower. AMD must be shaking at the knees or have something REALLY good up their sleeves.

People will still buy the Llano for the 24p "bug" fix.

I agree though. The SB Pentiums look just about perfect.
post #1382 of 2223
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

When Llano comes out it's going to have to be pretty cheap to compete with a $78 Pentium + $80 H61 motherboard for basic builds. Those prices even give the current Fusion motherboards a run for their money and the Pentium/H61 has much more CPU horsepower. AMD must be shaking at the knees or have something REALLY good up their sleeves.

Are there going to be mobile Sandy Bridge Pentiums? I've already seen major brand 15" laptops with the i3-2410M, including HD3000 graphics and HDMI-out, in the $550 range. There's not all that much room below that for AMD to try to undercut Intel on price (or for Pentium based units for that matter).
post #1383 of 2223
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

People will still buy the Llano for the 24p "bug" fix.

I agree though. The SB Pentiums look just about perfect.

You also have to remember the HTPC market is pretty small and midrange laptops and desktops featuring Llano will allow some gaming where core i3/pentium chips don't.
post #1384 of 2223
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

You also have to remember the HTPC market is pretty small and midrange laptops and desktops featuring Llano will allow some gaming where core i3/pentium chips don't.

That's true.
post #1385 of 2223
Here is CPU usage of Pentium G620 2.6GHz (actually G840 with clock multiplier limited to 26) at 2D-3D conversion by PowerDVD 11, TMT5, TriDef 3D Media Player respectively.

PowerDVD 11

TMT5

TriDef 3D Media Player

More or less the same as TMT5.

If you are interested in 2D-3D conversion by PC, you may be more comfortable with Core i3 (or higher), in particular if you use TMT or TriDef 3D Media Player.
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post #1386 of 2223
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Originally Posted by Zon2020 View Post

Are there going to be mobile Sandy Bridge Pentiums? I've already seen major brand 15" laptops with the i3-2410M, including HD3000 graphics and HDMI-out, in the $550 range. There's not all that much room below that for AMD to try to undercut Intel on price (or for Pentium based units for that matter).

IMHO I think that the first Llanos will be mobile, based upon competitive reasons and the fact that the CPU clock speeds for the mobile parts have been leaked, but not the desktop CPU speeds.

You can read an opinion from AT analyst jakmal here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...333378&page=5e
post #1387 of 2223
Well after a lot of thought I decided to buy a laptop and use it for a HTPC. It has the following specs:


Windows Premium x64
Core i3-380M
4GB DDR3
250GB WD 7200rpm 16mb (Scorpio Black)
Blu-ray Drive

Everything works great except for one small problem. I play MKV files with PowerDVD 11 ultra. They play great except the picture jumps or stutters every couple minutes or so. It's very quick and you can easily miss it. It's not a show stopper. The experience is still great but it would be nice to figure out what is causing it. Is there anything in my specs above that might be causing this? I checked and CPU and Memory usage is very low. I also closed everything including virus.
post #1388 of 2223
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Originally Posted by rcase13 View Post

Well after a lot of thought I decided to buy a laptop and use it for a HTPC. It has the following specs:

Windows Premium x64
Core i3-380M
4GB DDR3
250GB WD 7200rpm 16mb (Scorpio Black)
Blu-ray Drive

Everything works great except for one small problem. I play MKV files with PowerDVD 11 ultra. They play great except the picture jumps or stutters every couple minutes or so. It's very quick and you can easily miss it. It's not a show stopper. The experience is still great but it would be nice to figure out what is causing it. Is there anything in my specs above that might be causing this? I checked and CPU and Memory usage is very low. I also closed everything including virus.

Have you tried playing the MKV's with a different player? Particularly a very low overhead player like MPC. You probably want to narrow it down to software issue - if it is one.
post #1389 of 2223
Could it be the 24p issue related with intel graphic cards?

But AFAIK, this issue happens every 42 seconds.
post #1390 of 2223
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Originally Posted by chimpin View Post

Could it be the 24p issue related with intel graphic cards?

But AFAIK, this issue happens every 42 seconds.

I doubt it. The 24p issue is a single missed frame in a single second.
post #1391 of 2223
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I doubt it. The 24p issue is a single missed frame in a single second.

Actually, no, it's not every second. It does sound as if what he's experiencing is the 24p issue.

24.000 frame/second - 23.976 frame/second = 0.024 frame/second
1 frame / 0.024 frame/second = 41.67 seconds
post #1392 of 2223
Can always install ReClock to see if that solves the problem.
post #1393 of 2223
ilovejedd,

I think assassin meant that it would be a single frame that drops in a split second and so would not be noticeable as visible "stutter".
post #1394 of 2223
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Originally Posted by trpltongue View Post

ilovejedd,

I think assassin meant that it would be a single frame that drops in a split second and so would not be noticeable as visible "stutter".

Actually, assassin hasn't noticed the 24p issue himself so he likely doesn't know how exactly it's manifested.
post #1395 of 2223
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Originally Posted by trpltongue View Post
ilovejedd,

I think assassin meant that it would be a single frame that drops in a split second and so would not be noticeable as visible "stutter".
Yep.
post #1396 of 2223
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post
Yep.
Again, though, the 24p issue not a single missed frame every second. It's a missed/duplicated frame approximately every 42 seconds.

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Originally Posted by renethx View Post
Intel HD Graphics supports only 24.000 Hz refresh rate (if you don't disable UAC [disabling UAC could cause A/V synch issue]), so if you play a movie of 23.976 fps, you will see an extra frame inserted every

1/(24.000-23.976) =

41.666... seconds. That's the cause of a periodic stuttering (but not everyone can notice it). If a Radeon card supports 23.978 Hz refresh rate, then you will see an extra frame inserted every

1/(23.978-23.976) =

500 seconds = 8 minutes 20 seconds. It's still a periodic stuttering, but it's even harder to notice it (and as a matter of fact everybody thinks it's practically perfect).

If someone feels stuttering is irritating, perhaps the cause is entirely different from the imprecise refresh rate.
post #1397 of 2223
What's the best way to avoid the timing issue? Is it possible if one is not intending to get a separate graphics card but, rather, rely upon the i5's capabilities?
post #1398 of 2223
I am still struggling with this. The movie I am playing is Dark City. I switched to the Blu-Ray drive to rule out anything with the hard drive. When I check the info on the movie through PowerDVD 11 it says 24fps and DTS-HD 7.1 master audio. When I select info on my TV (240hz Samsung) it says 1080P60Hz.

How do you even play the movie at 24P? My setup seems to default to 60hz. My receiver (Denon 4310) is set to pass the signal with no conversion.

I tried MCE and it forced me to load the latest DirectX runtime. I also upgraded my Intel HD video driver to the latest.

Do I have to change the Intel HD Video settings to output 24hz? It would suck if I have to change this every time I watch a movie. 24hz for anything other than a movie sucks.
post #1399 of 2223
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post
Again, though, the 24p issue not a single missed frame every second. It's a missed/duplicated frame approximately every 42 seconds.
Yes. I was trying to agree with you.

I was typing on my phone.

Yes. It is one single frame in one single second roughly every 42 seconds.

So if there are 24 frames per second and there are 42 second that we are talking about here that is 1 missed frame every 1008 frames.
post #1400 of 2223
Short of the Pentium has anyone found a US e-tailer that is selling the chips announced for May 22 release; 2405S or 2105?
Has anyone seen a 2390T?
post #1401 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post
It looks like the slot supports PCIe x1 cards (a SATA controller x1 card was recognized and worked). So apparently the issue is specific to GIGABYTE (and GIGABYTE does not consider it as an issue).
renethx, found this on Google. I'm running into this exact problem. I have a H67M-ITX/HT and I'm trying to plug a PCIe x1 TV tuner card into the PCIe x16 slot (labelled PCIE1). No luck for me. Were you actually able to get this to work? There's some scary language in the manual that makes me think the PCI slot may not support x1:

" PCIE1 (PCIE x16 slot; Blue) is used for PCI Express x16 lane width
graphics cards"
post #1402 of 2223
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Originally Posted by efotonik View Post
Short of the Pentium has anyone found a US e-tailer that is selling the chips announced for May 22 release; 2405S or 2105?
Has anyone seen a 2390T?
http://www.costcentral.com

i5-2390T was released on February 20. If you can't find it at retailers, then perhaps it's for OEM only.
post #1403 of 2223
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Originally Posted by g_t View Post

renethx, found this on Google. I'm running into this exact problem. I have a H67M-ITX/HT and I'm trying to plug a PCIe x1 TV tuner card into the PCIe x16 slot (labelled PCIE1). No luck for me. Were you actually able to get this to work? There's some scary language in the manual that makes me think the PCI slot may not support x1:

" PCIE1 (PCIE x16 slot; Blue) is used for PCI Express x16 lane width
graphics cards"

Yes, I tested a couple of PCI Express x1 devices (TV tuner, SATA controller) in the PCI Express x16 slot. All worked fine.
post #1404 of 2223
Went to Micro Center yesterday and employee said they wouldn't be carrying the 2405S so wanted to order from CostCenteral this morning since they're in PA, but tax came up on order so I'll probably wait until this weekend to see if any other places get it in stock to order.
post #1405 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

http://www.costcentral.com

i5-2390T was released on February 20. If you can't find it at retailers, then perhaps it's for OEM only.

I realize its release date which is why I was asking if it's been seen anywhere. Is there a listing online to check OEM-only chips or is it simply a guessing game based on what retailers end up stocking?

I'm surprised the 2390T hasn't been "liked" more....seems like a pretty compelling package to me.
post #1406 of 2223
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Originally Posted by efotonik View Post

I'm surprised the 2390T hasn't been "liked" more....seems like a pretty compelling package to me.

I'm curious, why the i5-2390T? It's just a dual-core with HyperThreading so performance is probably going to be little better than the i3-2100T. With Turbo, performance will just be similar to the non-T i3-2100 which is a good $80 less and I doubt idle and load power consumption will be all that different.
post #1407 of 2223
ZOTAC Z68ITX-A-E (Z68ITX-WiFi)

- PCI Express 2.0 x16
- 2 x HDMI, DP
- USB 3.0
- mSATA (for Smart Response Technology)
- WiFi

ZOTAC Z68ITX-B-E (Z68 GT430 ITX-WiFi)

- GT 430 + 1GB video memory on board
- SO-DIMM
- PCI Express 2.0 x1
- 2 x DVI, HDMI, DP
- USB 3.0
- mSATA (for Smart Response Technology)
- WiFi


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post #1408 of 2223
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

I'm curious, why the i5-2390T? It's just a dual-core with HyperThreading so performance is probably going to be little better than the i3-2100T. With Turbo, performance will just be similar to the non-T i3-2100 which is a good $80 less and I doubt idle and load power consumption will be all that different.

And this is why we post on forums

I'm not sure how but I completely read over the fact that the 2390T was a 2-core/4-thread proc....just saw "i5" and thought 4c/4t per usual for the line and saw the 35W TDP and was enamored with those ideas.....35W i5, sounded so sweet!

Thanks for catching me
post #1409 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

ZOTAC Z68ITX-A-E (Z68ITX-WiFi)

- PCI Express 2.0 x16
- 2 x HDMI, DP
- USB 3.0
- mSATA (for Smart Response Technology)
- WiFi

ZOTAC Z68ITX-B-E (Z68 GT430 ITX-WiFi)

- GT 430 + 1GB video memory on board
- SO-DIMM
- PCI Express 2.0 x1
- 2 x DVI, HDMI, DP
- USB 3.0
- mSATA (for Smart Response Technology)
- WiFi

Yeah Zotac is the only one with definite plans for a ITX Z68 at this point. I have had horrible luck with Zotac in the past but maybe they have improved.

I do (unfortunately) know that they have a lifetime warranty which is good. I have had to use it a few times.

Gigabyte also said they will add a ITX board but there is nothing concrete as of yet.
post #1410 of 2223
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Yeah Zotac is the only one with definite plans for a ITX Z68 at this point. I have had horrible luck with Zotac in the past but maybe they have improved.

Same here (2 ION + 1 GF9300 failures) but I'm sorely tempted by that motherboard with "integrated GT 430".
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