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post #1591 of 2220
7/10/11 at 11:23pm
Cheers one more question

Hi all

Can u use both the on board gfx and separate gfx cards hdmi at the same time or would u need to disable the onboard gfx as u would have problems. ?

As I wanted to have one hdmi to the tv and the other to the amp or can u not do this and would need a gfx card with 2 hdmi.

Just woundering why go for the pro motherboard, better build quality than the other board. ?

Cheers

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post #1592 of 2220
7/11/11 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by Meridius View Post

Can u use both the on board gfx and separate gfx cards hdmi at the same time or would u need to disable the onboard gfx as u would have problems. ?

As I wanted to have one hdmi to the tv and the other to the amp or can u not do this and would need a gfx card with 2 hdmi.

Just woundering why go for the pro motherboard, better build quality than the other board. ?

I'm not sure if you can use both simultaneously (buy a HDMI splitter/switch if this is your requirement?) but going through Lucid tech you would use your on-board HDMI-out and the system would switch the graphics processing between integrated and discrete graphics as needed.
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post #1593 of 2220
7/11/11 at 11:25am
I just read an interesting review, Xbitlabs Pentium G850/G840/G620 vs. Core i3-2100T, too bad they didnt review the G620T



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post #1594 of 2220
7/11/11 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

Intel's DH61AG will be available soon.

Highlights:

- mini-ITX
- slim profile (1/2 standard height)
- HTPC (provides access to CEC via 3rd party HW), CIR, 8 channel analog audio (line levels) headers
- SO-DIMM
- full and half sized mini PCIe (full is mSATA compatible) slots
- PCIe x4
- requires 19V laptop style PSU (does not have 24 pin ATX)

Full review just went up.
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post #1595 of 2220
7/13/11 at 6:52pm
Does anybody here use Lucid Virtu with their SB based HTPC? If so, what are your likes/dislikes about it?
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post #1596 of 2220
7/18/11 at 8:54am
I need some help. I am using IGP of i3 2100. Every once in a while while watching a video the video starts to skip along with audio (almost like missing a few frames from the video). I am using the Feb driver from intel site. The way to fix it is to restart W7MC. Initially it starts to happen every 3 minutes or so, and then if I do not restart media center, the problem gets worse and repeats every few seconds.

I have tried the latest driver, but no success. I have overclocked the IGP to 1500 mhz and it reduced the issue some, but it still happens enough to make me write up this post for help. Board is ASRock H67.

Help is appreciated.
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post #1597 of 2220
7/18/11 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by oneonefive View Post

I am using the Feb driver from intel site.

Will Windows Update catch this or is it a manual point to the site and download?
I haven't really gotten into my system yet but didn't know how IGP drivers worked.
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post #1598 of 2220
7/18/11 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by efotonik View Post

Will Windows Update catch this or is it a manual point to the site and download?
I haven't really gotten into my system yet but didn't know how IGP drivers worked.

Windows update does show any intel updated drivers for IGP
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post #1599 of 2220
7/18/11 at 10:49am
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Windows update does show any intel updated drivers for IGP

Latest Intel driver

http://communities.intel.com/thread/...t=330&tstart=0
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post #1600 of 2220
7/18/11 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

Latest Intel driver

http://communities.intel.com/thread/...t=330&tstart=0

I have tried that driver, but problem continues.
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post #1601 of 2220
7/18/11 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by oneonefive View Post

I have tried that driver, but problem continues.

Did you just install on the top or uninstalled the old one, rebooted and installed them?
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post #1602 of 2220
7/18/11 at 2:50pm
Uninstalled, rebooted and then reinstalled
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post #1603 of 2220
7/18/11 at 8:18pm
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

Does anybody here use Lucid Virtu with their SB based HTPC? If so, what are your likes/dislikes about it?

I used it for a short period with a NVIDIA GTX 570 HD. The speed benefits of QuickSync were impressive but I don't transcode enough to really warrant it. I had it crash a few times but overall worked very well.
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post #1604 of 2220
7/20/11 at 7:11pm
Intel could not care any less than they do about their problems with HDCP, and their "Tech Support" provides no clues on such a technical issue. But one of their engineers wrote an article on the broken HDCP over any path that includes an Audio/Video Receiver more than three years ago. It appears his cries for a solution have met with no action for the past 39 months, as the problem persists in the Sandy Bridge era.

I have read that "longer HDMI cables" could mysteriously solve the problem, for those who don't use the "hack" that allows ignoring all HDCP concerns. However, that is a bit vague.

Can anyone cite a specific HDMI cable that is known to correct the issue? How about a Blue Jeans Cable BJC Series-1 Belden Bonded-Pair HDMI Cable at 12 feet? Or, better yet, one of their less expensive cables?
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post #1605 of 2220
7/20/11 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

Intel could not care any less than they do about their problems with HDCP, and their "Tech Support" provides no clues on such a technical issue. But one of their engineers wrote an article on the broken HDCP over any path that includes an Audio/Video Receiver more than three years ago. It appears his cries for a solution have met with no action for the past 39 months, as the problem persists in the Sandy Bridge era.

I have read that "longer HDMI cables" could mysteriously solve the problem, for those who don't use the "hack" that allows ignoring all HDCP concerns. However, that is a bit vague.

Can anyone cite a specific HDMI cable that is known to correct the issue? How about a Blue Jeans Cable BJC Series-1 Belden Bonded-Pair HDMI Cable at 12 feet? Or, better yet, one of their less expensive cables?

I am using 2 60 foot long flat HDMI cables. One to plasma and the other to PJ from my onboard HDMI & DVI 1155 SB MB. I do not have any HDCP problem at all whatsoever.
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post #1606 of 2220
7/20/11 at 7:35pm
I wanted to stop in quickly and just verify temps in my new build.

Hardware of note:
  • i5 2500k, stock clock
  • Noctua NH-C12P SE14

Software being used is:
  • CoreTemp v0.99.8
  • IntelBurnTest v2.51

After roughly 40 minutes of repeated looping tests, Maximum setting (max RAM usage) I'm getting avg/high readings as follows:
  • Core #0: 54ºC/55ºC
  • Core #1: 58ºC/60ºC
  • Core #2: 59ºC/60ºC
  • Core #3: 56ºC/57ºC
  • Idle varies 30º-32ºC across all cores

Are these numbers normal/acceptable for a stock-clock?
The only thing I can think to decrease them would be put in the higher rpm exhaust fan near the CPU cooler, might drop a couple ºC at the sacrifice of noise...

Any feedback appreciated, thanks.
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post #1607 of 2220
7/20/11 at 7:51pm
Prefectly acceptable, imo.

Not really applicable to HTPC btw unless you are gaming on this thing or doing a crapload of transcoding (not to be confused with ripping).
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post #1608 of 2220
7/20/11 at 7:55pm
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I am using 2 60 foot long flat HDMI cables. One to plasma and the other to PJ from my onboard HDMI & DVI 1155 SB MB. I do not have any HDCP problem at all whatsoever.

I'm using a 3 foot long Acoustic Research PRO3 Series HDMI cable that cost me less than $10 at Amazon. I don't have any HDCP problems either.

If I recall correctly the discussions by the Intel engineer from a couple of years ago, the problems with some Yamaha, Denon and other receivers were largely because some of those companies were actually not fully following the HDMI spec, and ATI and nVidia had fewer problems that Intel because they weren't really following the spec either.
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post #1609 of 2220
7/20/11 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post


I am using 2 60 foot long flat HDMI cables. One to plasma and the other to PJ from my onboard HDMI & DVI 1155 SB MB. I do not have any HDCP problem at all whatsoever.

Thanks, but with no AVR in the chain, your setup is not subject to the problem of intel's broken HDCP with repeaters.
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post #1610 of 2220
7/20/11 at 8:23pm
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I'm using a 3 foot long Acoustic Research PRO3 Series HDMI cable that cost me less than $10 at Amazon. I don't have any HDCP problems either.

If I recall correctly the discussions by the Intel engineer from a couple of years ago, the problems with some Yamaha, Denon and other receivers were largely because some of those companies were actually not fully following the HDMI spec, and ATI and nVidia had fewer problems that Intel because they weren't really following the spec either.

That may be intel's claim, but it appears that all receivers with HDMI are subject to the intel fiasco of broken HDCP. What receiver is connected via HDMI between your HTPC and monitor?
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post #1611 of 2220
7/20/11 at 8:24pm
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Thanks, but with no AVR in the chain, your setup is not subject to the problem of intel's broken HDCP with repeaters.

Well, mine is an i3-2100 to a Sony STR-DA4400ES to an LG 47LE8500, and I have never had a single BSOD nor any HDCP issues. There are dozens if not hundreds of other posters here with similar setups that are working just fine.
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post #1612 of 2220
7/20/11 at 8:25pm
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That may be intel's claim, but it appears that all receivers with HDMI are subject to the intel fiasco of broken HDCP. What receiver is connected via HDMI between your HTPC and monitor?


Your assumption is simply not true.
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post #1613 of 2220
7/20/11 at 8:26pm
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That may be intel's claim, but it appears that all receivers with HDMI are subject to the intel fiasco of broken HDCP. What receiver is connected via HDMI between your HTPC and monitor?

No issues on any of my Intel builds.

Denons, Onkyos and Yamahas mainly.

Mine is an older Denon AVR-3806. I have infinitely LESS issues with my Intel iGPU drivers than I did with ATI 5450 for sure. Even less than the Nvidia 430 as well.
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post #1614 of 2220
7/20/11 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

Thanks, but with no AVR in the chain, your setup is not subject to the problem of intel's broken HDCP with repeaters.

SB MB HDMI -> 60 foot HDMI -> AVR -> 5 foot HDMI -> plasma
SB MB DVI -> PJ
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post #1615 of 2220
7/20/11 at 8:39pm
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I have infinitely LESS issues with my Intel iGPU drivers than I did with ATI 5450 for sure.

Have not use NVIDIA for a while but I am with assassin 100% no problem with at SB iGPU. When I was using ATI 4XXX, out of 100 times maybe 3 to 5 times, I've no picture or when I switch between display, from plasma to PJ. But since I start using SB iGPU powered both same displays, never have a single HDCP or no picture problem at all.
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post #1616 of 2220
7/21/11 at 7:27am
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Prefectly acceptable, imo.

Not really applicable to HTPC btw unless you are gaming on this thing or doing a crapload of transcoding (not to be confused with ripping).

Just clarifying....you mean the temps aren't applicable to HTPC because a burn-test isn't replicating real-world usage?
Or the temps are higher than you'd like in HTPC?


I realize that the IBT is a major stress test and not a depiction of real-world scenarios but I wanted to see how the system stability was at proc load across all cores with a lot of RAM usage. If the temps in this test scenario stabilize and perform well then I know I have a great buffer for those times I do game/transcode/whatever
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post #1617 of 2220
7/21/11 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by efotonik View Post

Just clarifying....you mean the temps aren't applicable to HTPC because a burn-test isn't replicating real-world usage?

This. I don't put a lot of stock in stressing your HTPC when the majority of the time (again this is assuming you won't be gaming or doing a ton of transcoding) your CPU usage should be in the <20% range.
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post #1618 of 2220
7/21/11 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

This. I don't put a lot of stock in stressing your HTPC when the majority of the time (again this is assuming you won't be gaming or doing a ton of transcoding) your CPU usage should be in the <20% range.

Agreed.
I only *like* stressing because I used to do it on my gaming rigs and I like to understand the capabilities and stability of the system. For true HTPC use it's way overkill but I rest easier knowing that at max load I'm still quite safe

Thanks again for all of the feedback and help!
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post #1619 of 2220
7/21/11 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by efotonik View Post

Agreed.
I only *like* stressing because I used to do it on my gaming rigs and I like to understand the capabilities and stability of the system. For true HTPC use it's way overkill but I rest easier knowing that at max load I'm still quite safe

Thanks again for all of the feedback and help!

Understood. You're welcome!
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post #1620 of 2220
7/21/11 at 8:14am
Those who have intel HD Graphics, HDMI to an AVR then to a monitor, use Arcsoft TMT, do not use AnyDVD-HD, and do not experience the broken HDCP, can you share the specific brand and length of your HDMI cables?
Many thanks.
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