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post #721 of 2223
What would you guys do in this situation?

I have msi h67 ed 55 which I was told by newegg that they will refund my money upto 90 days from purchase (back in January 2011). Would you use the cash to buy another board and if so which one? I use this for my primary htpc with onboard video. My 52" lcd does 60hz and I use splash/mpc-hc to attenuate judder in frame rate conversion so the 24fps is not much of an issue. I have a 1080p/60 fps hd camcorder and do use the quick sync feature for transcoding. I also have a seperate gaming rig with p67. Both systems use core i5-2500k.

I would like a board with plenty of pciEx slots. Wanted to use an x8 (electrical) for additional sata ports. But that kills the future use of a video card. Was thinking of using an x1 for ceton, but might as well wait for hdhr prime instead.
post #722 of 2223
Okay, I'm officially stumped. I can't get TMT5 to play in 3d. 2d looks great, but no 3d. I think it has something to do with the intel drivers, but everytime I try to update the drivers, I get the blue screen of death. What am I doing wrong?
post #723 of 2223
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Originally Posted by fyrfyter71 View Post
Okay, I'm officially stumped. I can't get TMT5 to play in 3d. 2d looks great, but no 3d. I think it has something to do with the intel drivers, but everytime I try to update the drivers, I get the blue screen of death. What am I doing wrong?
Since you are using an ASUS P8H67-M PRO CSM motherboard, go to.

http://support.asus.com/download/Dow...Language=en-us


In the window on the upper right hand side of your screen select the following information:

Please Select the Product
In the Select Product drop down window, select: Motherboard
In the Select Series window, select: LGA1155
In the Select Models window, select: P8H67-M PRO
Select search.
Select your operating system.
Select search.
post #724 of 2223
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Originally Posted by ymarker View Post
What would you guys do in this situation?

I have msi h67 ed 55 which I was told by newegg that they will refund my money upto 90 days from purchase (back in January 2011). Would you use the cash to buy another board and if so which one? I use this for my primary htpc with onboard video. My 52" lcd does 60hz and I use splash/mpc-hc to attenuate judder in frame rate conversion so the 24fps is not much of an issue. I have a 1080p/60 fps hd camcorder and do use the quick sync feature for transcoding. I also have a seperate gaming rig with p67. Both systems use core i5-2500k.

I would like a board with plenty of pciEx slots. Wanted to use an x8 (electrical) for additional sata ports. But that kills the future use of a video card. Was thinking of using an x1 for ceton, but might as well wait for hdhr prime instead.
May as well just get another board. Also not sure how many drives you have hooked up to your current board. But if you really like it you could just keep it if you only use 1 or 2 sata ports.

This msi board is loaded with pcie slots but its sold out and doesn't show an eta when it will be back.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130570
post #725 of 2223
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

May as well just get another board. Also not sure how many drives you have hooked up to your current board. But if you really like it you could just keep it if you only use 1 or 2 sata ports.

This msi board is loaded with pcie slots but its sold out and doesn't show an eta when it will be back.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130570

I use all 6 sata ports and actually need about 6-8 more ports as this htpc will double as a nas.

PCIex ports (must electrically support this bandwidth)needed:
x16 or x8 (discrete vga card if I go 24fps in the future)
x8 (for additional 6-8 sata ports)
x1 (for ceton card - may not need if silicon dust prime comes out by summer)

Unfortunately none of the H67 I know can support the above requirements. Alternatively I may need to get multiple x1 pciE sata cards for HBA (non-raid).
post #726 of 2223
Unless you are going to use a high performance RAID card (usually x8), perhaps x4 is enough (I keep Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 8-port SATA 2.0 Controller PCI Express x4 Card in mind). Then GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-UD2H (or D2H) is a good choice: x16, x1, x1, x4.
post #727 of 2223
New to HTPC's here.

Regarding audio from an H67 motherboard with the i7-2600k processor: if using the HDMI port to bitstream audio, including hi-def formats, does that render the selection of audio chipsets somewhat irrelevant? For example Realtek ALC889 vs ALC892...do these only come into play when using the multichannel analog outputs?
post #728 of 2223
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Originally Posted by HMenke View Post

New to HTPC's here.

Regarding audio from an H67 motherboard with the i7-2600k processor: if using the HDMI port to bitstream audio, including hi-def formats, does that render the selection of audio chipsets somewhat irrelevant? For example Realtek ALC889 vs ALC892...do these only come into play when using the multichannel analog outputs?

Yah that is something different. I don't even install the audio drivers on mine.
post #729 of 2223
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Originally Posted by HMenke View Post

New to HTPC's here.

Regarding audio from an H67 motherboard with the i7-2600k processor: if using the HDMI port to bitstream audio, including hi-def formats, does that render the selection of audio chipsets somewhat irrelevant? For example Realtek ALC889 vs ALC892...do these only come into play when using the multichannel analog outputs?

Pretty much, yes. The Intel graphics drivers also include the HD audio driver for HDMI and Display Port, and that is all you need for bitstreaming audio over HDMI. HDMI audio is integrated into the CPU. Additional audio chips like the Realtek apply to the multichannel analog outputs, s/pdif output, line-in, mic-in, and the front panel audio connector.
post #730 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Unless you are going to use a high performance RAID card (usually x8), perhaps x4 is enough (I keep Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 8-port SATA 2.0 Controller PCI Express x4 Card in mind). Then GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-UD2H (or D2H) is a good choice: x16, x1, x1, x4.

Thinking of going with Asus P8H67-M EVO, but concerned about the new bios having issues per newegg feedback for the b3 boards. Some concern about the fact that if you have BOTH x16 and x4 populated the x4 runs at x1. Some of the gigabyte boards state that but others don't. Maybe the same issue with this asus board but don't see anything on the manual. I'm wondering if this is a limitation of the intel chipset per se, but not sure.
post #731 of 2223
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Originally Posted by ymarker View Post

Thinking of going with Asus P8H67-M EVO, but concerned about the new bios having issues per newegg feedback for the b3 boards. Some concern about the fact that if you have BOTH x16 and x4 populated the x4 runs at x1. Some of the gigabyte boards state that but others don't. Maybe the same issue with this asus board but don't see anything on the manual. I'm wondering if this is a limitation of the intel chipset per se, but not sure.

Unlike ASUS P8H67-M EVO, the second PCIe x16 slot of any of the current GIGABYTE H67 microATX mb always runs at x4 (unless you insert a x2/x1 card) because these mb have no extra controllers on the PCI Express bus for legacy peripherals (PCI, IDE, IEEE1394). Compare:

ASUS P8H67-M EVO

- Gb LAN controller (Realtek RTL8111E)
- PCI Express to PCI bridge (ASMEDIA ASM1085)
- IDE/SATA controller (Marvell 88SE6111)
- IEEE 1394 controller (VIA VT6315N)
- USB 3.0 controller (ASMEDIA ASM1042)
- 1 x PCIe x1 slot
- Total: 6

The remaining 2 PCIe lanes are assigned to the second PCIe x16 slot. Unless you disable two of the above, it can't run at x4.

GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-UD2H

- Gb LAN controller (Realtek RTL8111E)
- USB 3.0 controller (Renasas D720200)
- 2 x PCIe x1 slot
- Total: 4

Remember that H67 has only 8 PCIe lanes. GIGABYTE mb is so simple. (A caveat is that the first PCI Express x16 slot does not support any x8/x4/x2/x1 card [a couple of users including me confirmed that], it's for a graphics card only.)
post #732 of 2223
I'm thinking about picking up the ASRock Mini-ITX board link .

But I recall there were some MEI issue or similar on the ASRock clarksdale boards that screwed up bitstreaming. Is that still a concern with ASRock MBs?
post #733 of 2223
I'm dying to upgrade my mobo in my htpc. I have a temp zacate board in there now and my new 2500k is just waiting to be used.

Should I pickup an asus or gigabyte board or wait for an msi h67ma-ed55 or e45?

Had my heart set on ed55 but my infinitv4 should be in within the next week and I need to get a move on with this.

I guess I'm looking for some recommendations for an h67 mobo.
post #734 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post
Unlike ASUS P8H67-M EVO, the second PCIe x16 slot of any of the current GIGABYTE H67 microATX mb always runs at x4 (unless you insert a x2/x1 card) because these mb have no extra controllers on the PCI Express bus for legacy peripherals (PCI, IDE, IEEE1394). Compare:

ASUS P8H67-M EVO

- Gb LAN controller (Realtek RTL8111E)
- PCI Express to PCI bridge (ASMEDIA ASM1085)
- IDE/SATA controller (Marvell 88SE6111)
- IEEE 1394 controller (VIA VT6315N)
- USB 3.0 controller (ASMEDIA ASM1042)
- 1 x PCIe x1 slot
- Total: 6

The remaining 2 PCIe lanes are assigned to the second PCIe x16 slot. Unless you disable two of the above, it can't run at x4.

GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-UD2H

- Gb LAN controller (Realtek RTL8111E)
- USB 3.0 controller (Renasas D720200)
- 2 x PCIe x1 slot
- Total: 4

Remember that H67 has only 8 PCIe lanes. GIGABYTE mb is so simple. (A caveat is that the first PCI Express x16 slot does not support any x8/x4/x2/x1 card [a couple of users including me confirmed that], it's for a graphics card only.)
Just wanted to confirm, that I should buy GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-UD2H-B3 to get the newer b3 version. I'll cancel my asus order (it isn't in stock) and order this. Thanks for the breakdown for the lanes. Sounds like I should be able to run vga (x16), sata hba (x4) and ceton (x1) cards simultaneously without any degradation.

Any thoughts on the 5-in-1 enclosure : link Will replace the stock noisy fan with this but insane to spend $20 for a 92mm fan!

Also would have preferred an intel Gb chip but I don't think any of the gigabyte boards in h67 have that.
post #735 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post
A caveat is that the first PCI Express x16 slot does not support any x8/x4/x2/x1 card [a couple of users including me confirmed that], it's for a graphics card only.
I got burned by that as well. What bonehead thought that it was a good idea to have a PCIe x16 slot that can be used exclusively for graphics cards? He ought to find a new career asking people "would you like fries with that?"

I have 3 PCIe x1 cards (2 HVR-2250 tuners, and a SiI 3132 based eSATA card), and I thought I was safe getting a mobo with 1 PCIe x16 and 2 PCIe x1 slots. Heck, that configuration worked beautifully on my H55 based HTPC. But now, with even better graphics on Sandy Bridge systems and theoretically less need for a discrete graphics card (though additional graphics power not really needed for HTPCs, and still plagued with the improper 24p support), they make the x16 slot less useful by making it only work with a graphics card.

What is this? Two steps forward, one step back? Why shouldn't a H67 system be at least as good as a H55 system where you can use an x1 card in the x16 slot?

And when will they stop putting these old legacy PCI slots on motherboards? I know that there are a few uATX boards with only PCIe x16 and x1 slots, but the vast majority still have one or two legacy PCI slots.
post #736 of 2223
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post
Yah that is something different. I don't even install the audio drivers on mine.
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post
Pretty much, yes. The Intel graphics drivers also include the HD audio driver for HDMI and Display Port, and that is all you need for bitstreaming audio over HDMI. HDMI audio is integrated into the CPU. Additional audio chips like the Realtek apply to the multichannel analog outputs, s/pdif output, line-in, mic-in, and the front panel audio connector.
Thanks for the reply on that guys. Another question: if I go with an H67 motherboard with the intention of using the Sandy Bridge integrated GPU instead of a discrete graphics card, what am I giving up by not going with the P67 motherboard, which has onboard graphics disabled? Seems like the P67 might have some advantages in connectivity to additional hard drives or SSD?
post #737 of 2223
post #738 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Remember that H67 has only 8 PCIe lanes. GIGABYTE mb is so simple. (A caveat is that the first PCI Express x16 slot does not support any x8/x4/x2/x1 card [a couple of users including me confirmed that], it's for a graphics card only.)

Is that an H67 or a Gigabyte limitation? I was planning on getting a mini ITX board like the ASRock and stick a tuner card in the PCIe slot.
post #739 of 2223
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Originally Posted by HMenke View Post

Thanks for the reply on that guys. Another question: if I go with an H67 motherboard with the intention of using the Sandy Bridge integrated GPU instead of a discrete graphics card, what am I giving up by not going with the P67 motherboard, which has onboard graphics disabled? Seems like the P67 might have some advantages in connectivity to additional hard drives or SSD?

I think overclocking is about it. Of course if you compare a micro atx h67 to an atx p67 the p may have more ports and stuff. But you only need P67 if you get a "K" chip.
post #740 of 2223
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

Is that an H67 or a Gigabyte limitation? I was planning on getting a mini ITX board like the ASRock and stick a tuner card in the PCIe slot.

I plan on doing the same. LOL every time I think I am ready to order I find out something else that causes me to pause.
post #741 of 2223
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

But you only need P67 if you get a "K" chip.

Not really. Core i5's with Turbo can overclock, too, albeit to a lesser extent.
post #742 of 2223
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

Not really. Core i5's with Turbo can overclock, too, albeit to a lesser extent.

Sure you can move the base clock to maybe 105, 107 if your lucky, thats nothing.
post #743 of 2223
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

Sure you can move the base clock to maybe 105, 107 if your lucky, thats nothing.

Not that. You can increase the multiplier on quad-core, non-K Core i5's by up to 4x which basically gives you a 400MHz overclock. Maximum frequency is dependent on the number of active cores.

Code:
CPU       Stock           Turbo         |   OC + Turbo (P67 only)
                    4c   3c   2c   1c   |    4c   3c   2c   1c
                                        |
i5-2300    2.8      2.9  3.0  3.0  3.1  |    3.3  3.4  3.4  3.5
                                        |
i5-2400    3.1      3.2  3.3  3.3  3.4  |    3.6  3.7  3.7  3.8
                                        |
i5-2500    3.3      3.4  3.5  3.6  3.7  |    3.8  3.9  4.0  4.1
                                        |
i5-2500K   3.3      3.4  3.5  3.6  3.7  |    5.7  5.7  5.7  5.7
                                        |
i7-2600    3.4      3.5  3.6  3.7  3.8  |    3.9  4.0  4.1  4.2
                                        |
i7-2600K   3.4      3.5  3.6  3.7  3.8  |    5.7  5.7  5.7  5.7
post #744 of 2223
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

Not that. You can increase the multiplier on quad-core, non-K Core i5's by up to 4x which basically gives you a 400MHz overclock. Maximum frequency is dependent on the number of cores.

Code:
CPU       Stock           Turbo         |   OC + Turbo (P67 only)
                    4c   3c   2c   1c   |    4c   3c   2c   1c
                                        |
i5-2300    2.8      2.9  3.0  3.0  3.1  |    3.3  3.4  3.4  3.5
                                        |
i5-2400    3.1      3.2  3.3  3.3  3.4  |    3.6  3.7  3.7  3.8
                                        |
i5-2500    3.3      3.4  3.5  3.6  3.7  |    3.8  3.9  4.0  4.1
                                        |
i5-2500K   3.3      3.4  3.5  3.6  3.7  |    5.7  5.7  5.7  5.7
                                        |
i7-2600    3.4      3.5  3.6  3.7  3.8  |    3.9  4.0  4.1  4.2
                                        |
i7-2600K   3.4      3.5  3.6  3.7  3.8  |    5.7  5.7  5.7  5.7

Oh yah turbo multi. I wonder if you can lock it like you can on a K chip. So it stays at 4ghz.
post #745 of 2223
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

Is that an H67 or a Gigabyte limitation? I was planning on getting a mini ITX board like the ASRock and stick a tuner card in the PCIe slot.

My Intel DH67BL uATX motherboard won't let me use an x1 card in the x16 slot, so it is not limited to Gigabyte. I don't know if there is different compatibility with mini ITX boards and their PCIe slot.
post #746 of 2223
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

My Intel DH67BL uATX motherboard won't let me use an x1 card in the x16 slot, so it is not limited to Gigabyte. I don't know if there is different compatibility with mini ITX boards and their PCIe slot.

Likely because the PCIe x16 slot is linked to the one on the CPU. I think the CPU PCIe lanes might be limited to graphics only. Wonder how they implement the PCIe x16 slots in M-ITX boards...
post #747 of 2223
2nd Generation Intel® Core™ Processor Family Desktop Datasheet, Volume 1, page 12:

Quote:


The port may negotiate down to narrower widths
— Support for x16/x8/x4/x1 widths for a single PCI Express mode

So apparently this is not a chip ('s PCI Express controller) limitation. I will check ASRock H67M-ITX.
post #748 of 2223
I'm getting sick of these clowns that post reviews of motherboards on newegg just to ask a question that nobody can respond to. I was looking at an asus board that have 4 positive reviews---1 of the reviews was a guy asking a question and another was the same guy answering his own question. WTF!
post #749 of 2223
For those with an i3-2100T, what is your power consumption like at full load?

I'm planning on buying the 2100T to use as a low power system/HTPC and have an 80w PicoPSU with 60w brick lying around, would this be enough?

Build will be the Intel DH67CF, i3-2100T, Corsair F60 60GB SSD and a Samsung 5,400RPM (1TB or 2TB) Eco Green HDD
post #750 of 2223
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

2nd Generation Intel® Core Processor Family Desktop Datasheet, Volume 1, page 12:



So apparently this is not a chip ('s PCI Express controller) limitation. I will check ASRock H67M-ITX.

OK, so there is hope... Thanks for checking Renethx.
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