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post #121 of 581
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Originally Posted by HorrorJ616 View Post

So I recently took the plunge and ordered a new 60inch plasma,3D glasses, and this WOW calibration disc. My TV wont be here until Tuesday, but this disc arrived today. So I figured why not give it a shot on my 5+ year old 32inch Symphonic LCD. The menu navigation and step by step explanations seemed fantastic, the only issues I had was with my crap TV. Brightness & Contrast couldn't even be controlled to anywhere near the level they needed to be to match the test patterns. I had to go with settings that where the best I could come up with and at the end of calibrations my picture looked pretty close to my screens "movie mode." So i suppose the disc is a success so far, I cant wait to run it on my plasma as I am sure the picture quality is going to be magnitudes greater then what I have now.

Greetings,

Glad to hear it. Be sure to report back and congrats on both WOW and your new plasma.

Regards,
post #122 of 581
I finally grabbed a copy of this and worked on my settings with it last night. Fantastic disc with great instructions! I also had a problem with brightness and contrast and it appears to be the limitations on my TV but I have it very close to optimal.

I'm assuming the Gamma set to normal and tint/hue negate the need to mess with white balance and color temp? I was a little unsure of myself since I'm used to making minor adjustments in all these areas using recommendations from D-nice and other ISF calibrators. The settings I ended up with basically made my display brighter and tamed the color down but did not adjust the tint. all w/b was flat, temp was normal. It was late so I have yet to test it on some reference titles but watching a few of the clips on the disc seemed to be a mixed bag of impressive and kinda meh.
post #123 of 581
I recently purchased a 50 inch plasma but do not have a blu-ray player only a 360. Would it be a smart investment to purchase the DVD verison or does it only make sense if you have a blu-ray player?
post #124 of 581
The smart investment would be a blue ray player
post #125 of 581
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The smart investment would be a blue ray player

I just hate the prices of blu-ray dvds, I am a big streamer and torrent user
post #126 of 581
Streaming legally is cool...if you are using Netflix, Vudu or one of the other legitimate streaming services. Who are you using?

I do not know if any legitimate torrent sites that feature Major Studio content. There are several that feature indie content I believe. Who are using?



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I just hate the prices of blu-ray dvds, I am a big streamer and torrent user
post #127 of 581
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Originally Posted by RBFilms View Post

Streaming legally is cool...if you are using Netflix, Vudu or one of the other legitimate streaming services. Who are you using?

I do not know if any legitimate torrent sites that feature Major Studio content. There are several that feature indie content I believe. Who are using?

For streaming I use Netflix and the occasional Xbox Live Marketplace/iTunes. Torrents usually use demonoid.
post #128 of 581
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Originally Posted by warrenP View Post

So I'm the only one who got this just for the Goofy clip?

Nope! I bought it JUST for the Goofy clip. Too bad there is not enough Goofy-narrated stuff for the rest of the disc.
post #129 of 581
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Originally Posted by Crimedogg32 View Post

I just hate the prices of blu-ray dvds, I am a big streamer and torrent user

Hundreds of BD can be bought for $10 or less brand-new including big titles, most can be found for only $15 and a decent entry level BD player can be bought for $100.

There is no reason not to buy a BD player.
post #130 of 581
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Hundreds of BD can be bought for $10 or less brand-new including big titles, most can be found for only $15 and a decent entry level BD player can be bought for $100.

There is no reason not to buy a BD player.

Greetings,

I couldn't agree more..

Regards,
post #131 of 581
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post #132 of 581
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I just hate the prices of blu-ray dvds, I am a big streamer and torrent user

I hate people that pirate everything and never buy anything ...Stop being so cheap ...
post #133 of 581
Besides, the quality of (legal) streamings are garbage especially when projected. Plus as a content creator in my previous life, I hate people who pirates. You want something? Pay for it!
post #134 of 581
Help me understand how does this work. New to me.

When I play WOW in the OPPO 93, how are the video adjustments saved? Are the adjustments made using the OPPO's remote or the PJ's? IOW, how are the settings saved?
post #135 of 581
you do the changes on your PJ (for the video) and the receiver (for the audio) and then write it down so if it's accidentally erased you just need to enter the value.

It doesn't help you determine the best colour temperature for your projector, however, unless you use a proper colorimeter (and learn how to use it properly).

The easiest and the best way is of course by contacting an ISF / THX Display calibrator (no, not the Bestbuy kind)
post #136 of 581
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

you do the changes on your PJ (for the video) and the receiver (for the audio) and then write it down so if it's accidentally erased you just need to enter the value.

It doesn't help you determine the best colour temperature for your projector, however, unless you use a proper colorimeter (and learn how to use it properly).

The easiest and the best way is of course by contacting an ISF / THX Display calibrator (no, not the Bestbuy kind)

David, the OPPO 93 has video calibration too. Is it still better to adjust the pj or the OPPO has an advantage?
post #137 of 581
I tend to not touch the BD player settings except for a last-resort type of thing.
post #138 of 581
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I tend to not touch the BD player settings except for a last-resort type of thing.

Thanks for your input.

Maybe this should be a sticky for WOW users.
post #139 of 581
I have a question regarding setting contrast using the stars pattern.

When setting the contrast should the +1% , +2% , +3% etc be visable? I can adjust the contrast so until the vanish and 0% just about shows, but im not sure if im understanding the optimal setting for this
post #140 of 581
UPDATE:

Finally used it. Didn't get into the advanced cali stuff. Just brightness, contrast and color sat. I must say, it did make a difference. Blacks are inky, flesh tones more natural. So, I'm satisfied. Would it make the pic 'better' if I used the advanced cali? Maybe, but I think it would be very minimum because there was considerable adjustments using the basic cali. Having said that, it's a good tool and I recommend it.
post #141 of 581
If you are talking about the stars on the Left side of your screen ... yes, they can be visible ... depending on your TV. They simply show the limits of your adjustment control and/or confirm that your TV has greater dynamic range if they are visible.

A lot of TV's, especially older ones, tend to allow adjustment beyond white clipping. Many manufacturer's today take a different approach. They limit the adjustment so that you cannot clip whites on your TV. Look at is as a built in governor or limiter. They will only allow you to push whites to threshold of clipping....not beyond.

For example, on my Pioneer Kuro Plasma, I can clip whites by turning contrast up too far. It looks best and is properly calibrated when the stars on the left are invisible and the stars on the right are visible. The stars on the right will tell you if you are clipping.

On a newer Plasma HDTV Panel, I can turn the contrast up to 100%. This is where the TV is looks best and is properly calibrated. This HDTV Panel shows all of the stars at the limit of its adjustment but the whites are not clipping as per the test pattern.

Rich

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Originally Posted by mrb1972 View Post

I have a question regarding setting contrast using the stars pattern.

When setting the contrast should the +1% , +2% , +3% etc be visable? I can adjust the contrast so until the vanish and 0% just about shows, but im not sure if im understanding the optimal setting for this
post #142 of 581
HI Richard,
Thanks for all the great insight on this disc, I'm new to tv calibration and had a quick question for you or anyone else willing to help me out. I just bought a Sony KDL55HX729 which has LED edge lighting, Do I need to wait a certain Break-In amount of time before I use the Disney WOW blu-ray??

Thanks again

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Originally Posted by RBFilms View Post

Yes, 100 Hours Break-In Plasma is recommended.
post #143 of 581
Not needed for LED backlit LCD
post #144 of 581
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Not needed for LED backlit LCD

Thanks David, got my Disney WOW blu-ray today and 3 more days until my tv gets here. Cant wait to start playing around with it.
post #145 of 581
Hi,

Plasma display panels need 200 hours or so of break in. LED can be calibrated after setup. However, I only have plasma panels in my home and studio. If I had an LED Set, I would probably let it warm up and play a few hours to stabilize before calibrating. I also check my Plasma Display Panels every few months to assure they are still calibrated and accurate.

You should also check to assure your BD Player is calibrated...if you have one that allows you to adjust those settings. All of my players are calibrated as well as my HDTV sets.

Have you seen a difference between "out of the box" and "calibrated" images on your SOny?

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Originally Posted by Radskull View Post

HI Richard,
Thanks for all the great insight on this disc, I'm new to tv calibration and had a quick question for you or anyone else willing to help me out. I just bought a Sony KDL55HX729 which has LED edge lighting, Do I need to wait a certain Break-In amount of time before I use the Disney WOW blu-ray??

Thanks again
post #146 of 581
I tested my LED backlit display. Once at turn-on, once at 3 hour-mark, once after 100 hours. There is no difference in reading between the 3 readings (using my Sencore)
post #147 of 581
Yes, I believe that would absolutely be the case.

I turn all of my gear on at least an hour in advance of using it... stereo, home theater, etc. I clearly hear a difference with my stereo which is all tubes and class A amplification.

My Home Theater...not s much.

Allowing all circuity to get up to operating temps and stabilize is just something I have always done. I am just old school that way...



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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I tested my LED backlit display. Once at turn-on, once at 3 hour-mark, once after 100 hours. There is no difference in reading between the 3 readings (using my Sencore)
post #148 of 581
Dear Richard,

I bought your Disney WOW on blu-ray. I have some problem to calibrate the sharpness. In the guide it says to observe the chart's sharpness blocks and the text while adjusting the sharpness control. But when i do that, i don't see difference 'cause the blocks and the text are too small. Can you help me please. My tv is a Sony KDL46EX620. Thank you!!
post #149 of 581
Hi,

Yes, this pattern is for highly detailed fine tuning. First, you must be very close to your HDTV Panel to observe the pattern. Look for a slight decay or aliasing on the edges of the lines in the series of small black bars in the pattern. You will notice subtle changes as you adjust sharpness.

Turn up the sharpness until you see the decay / aliasing on the edges of the lines ... then back down the sharpness until it goes away.

The settings for sharpness on my Pioneer Plasma end up being are very low when adjusted properly. I believe it is set to 13. My Panasonic Plasma is similar.

The settings are surprisingly accurate when the patterns are used properly.

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by jon666 View Post

Dear Richard,

I bought your Disney WOW on blu-ray. I have some problem to calibrate the sharpness. In the guide it says to observe the chart's sharpness blocks and the text while adjusting the sharpness control. But when i do that, i don't see difference 'cause the blocks and the text are too small. Can you help me please. My tv is a Sony KDL46EX620. Thank you!!
post #150 of 581
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Originally Posted by RBFilms View Post

Hi,

Yes, this pattern is for highly detailed fine tuning. First, you must be very close to your HDTV Panel to observe the pattern. Look for a slight decay or aliasing on the edges of the lines in the series of small black bars in the pattern. You will notice subtle changes as you adjust sharpness.

Turn up the sharpness until you see the decay / aliasing on the edges of the lines ... then back down the sharpness until it goes away.

The settings for sharpness on my Pioneer Plasma end up being are very low when adjusted properly. I believe it is set to 13. My Panasonic Plasma is similar.

The settings are surprisingly accurate when the patterns are used properly.

Hope that helps.

Sorry, i really don't get it. Should i put the backlight or the white level to minimum or something else to help me. I can see a slight difference at 28 but if i refer to the other sites or forum and i think it's to high. Is it possible that 28 is correct? Thank you!
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