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post #511 of 662
I'm trying to set the colour on my Panasonic ET5B with the Disney Wow calibration disc using the supplied blue filter. I can set the Chroma/Colour without a problem, but the Tv does not have a tint control, only colour gain and cut in the white balance section. Can someone please explain how I would correctly set the Hue/Tint using this disc and the filter ?
post #512 of 662
Read earlier in this thread. The backlight and the way it works and affects calibration can be model dependent. You will see in the earlier posts in this thread a discussion regarding the backlight for a specific HDTV Panel and how that is handled.

Typically, you set the backlight according to how much ambient lighting you have.

In a daylight room ... you may more backlighting than you do in a dark room.

I found this link that may help explain backlighting a bit better than I dare try. Too many variables to cover easily on a simple post.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=316169&sid=6c0592c5175176a5503b3f44fd419cbd#316169



There are some tricks and tips for this posted in the forum regarding this.
post #513 of 662
Thank you, Im experimenting decreasing the backlight to 40 (from 90). Seems like the rest of the calibration settings remain calibrated (yay)
post #514 of 662
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Originally Posted by Stealth3si View Post

I have a few general questions:

1. Other than night time with lights off, can this starting point be also used for the day time and lights on during the night too?

2. Where should I be standing relative to the TV screen while calibrating? 1-2 feet away from the screen or from my viewing position which is 7-8 feet away?

3. Is this calibration setup only for "movie" viewing?

4. What about "normal" viewing like TV shows and documentaries? Do I set the TV's picture to standard mode and start from there?
The WOW doesn't seem to use backlight as part of the calibration. Since it's very dim, after calibration do I leave it at "4" or set this at whatever feels comfortable to my eyes? i.e., "12"
My TV doesn't seem to have these settings. Are these suppose to be found in "Developer/advanced mode?"
These options are greyed out in all modes.
bump
post #515 of 662
I have my back light on 35 from 100.

I confirmed that as long as you don't increase - decrease it around 20%, the rest of the calibration remains.

Normal and WARM do not change color, tint brightness, contrast settings as well, for example, I use WARM for netflix and TV and NORMAL for WIi U and PS3
post #516 of 662
Question please, i notice there is 3 versions of WOW on bluray to buy, a 2 disc set and two other versions that contain just 1 disc, so do all of them contain the blue filter and the manual ? or any of the single disc versions contain the manual and blue filter ? cheers
post #517 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daytraders View Post

Question please, i notice there is 3 versions of WOW on bluray to buy, a 2 disc set and two other versions that contain just 1 disc, so do all of them contain the blue filter and the manual ? or any of the single disc versions contain the manual and blue filter ? cheers

All versions have the blue filter and the single dics edition have a 4 page book. The double disk (the one I have) comes with the filter, a 40 page booklet and a second disc that have some beautiful scenes and music so you can apreciate your new calibrated tv. However if all you want is the calibration disc, no problem buy the single disc edition, the calibration disc is the same across all editions and you can see the information that the 40 page booklet has on the disc itself. What you need to do is buy whatever edition you want because is totally worth it.
Edited by fegam2 - 2/1/13 at 7:34pm
post #518 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by fegam2 View Post

All versions have the blue filter and the single dics edition have a 4 page book. The double disk (the one I have) comes with the filter, a 40 page booklet and a second disc that have some beautiful scenes and music so you can apreciate your new calibrated tv. However if all you want is the calibration disc, no problem buy the single disc edition, the calibration disc is the same across all editions and you can see the information that the 40 page booklet has on the disc itself. What you need to do is buy whatever edition you want because is totally worth it.

appreciate your info on this.

What disc has the image retention removal tool?

I am looking to purchase this to calibrate my vt50 and since i am a gamer, use the IR tool.

Thanks for your time.
post #519 of 662
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Originally Posted by Shagz View Post

appreciate your info on this.

What disc has the image retention removal tool?

I am looking to purchase this to calibrate my vt50 and since i am a gamer, use the IR tool.

Thanks for your time.

I think this feature is standar in all versions of the WOW (single or double disc)
post #520 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by fegam2 View Post

All versions have the blue filter and the single dics edition have a 4 page book. The double disk (the one I have) comes with the filter, a 40 page booklet and a second disc that have some beautiful scenes and music so you can apreciate your new calibrated tv. However if all you want is the calibration disc, no problem buy the single disc edition, the calibration disc is the same across all editions and you can see the information that the 40 page booklet has on the disc itself. What you need to do is buy whatever edition you want because is totally worth it.

Thank you for the well explained answer, cheers
post #521 of 662
Ah i almost forgot, so why are there actually 2 versions of the 1 disc set for sale if both have exactly the same contents, i think also one is a little bit more exspensive than the other as well.
post #522 of 662
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Originally Posted by Daytraders View Post

Ah i almost forgot, so why are there actually 2 versions of the 1 disc set for sale if both have exactly the same contents, i think also one is a little bit more expensive than the other as well.

There was no single disc available for me at the store to buy so I had to get the two discs package.

I put the second disc in just the see what's on it and I have to say the vistas in it are very relaxing. smile.gif

I think it's a good idea to use it when doing yoga, tai-chi, meditation or qi gong, etc...
post #523 of 662
Hello - i picked up the WoW disc at a great price last night, and i'm using it to complement DNice's settings for the Panasonic ST50. My question is - how do you set Contrast using the Advanced pattern? I turned the contrast all the way up thinking i need to make the top 2 left most Stars blend into the background, but even at 100 it still doesnt do that.

Am i using this pattern correctly?

Its just odd cuz DNice, and other ppl typically set the contrast on this panel to 77-82.

Edit: Is it because of ABL? Should i be using a different tool for contrast/gamma?

Thanks
Edited by jerrolds - 2/5/13 at 9:38am
post #524 of 662
Advance contrast actually wants you to BLEND the center star, it should not be "visible" but also not "hidden completely", kinda like a layout of it only.

The two starts at the right are under the visible category, on my Panasonic viera, I use contrast at 100%.

EDIT: Check your brightness advanced settings first, also check the gamma and that every post - processing option like VIBRANT COLOR are OFF
post #525 of 662
Yup definately ABL kicking in - i took a screenshot of the Pattern and shrunk it down to about 30%, moving the full 1080p image across from PC monitor -> ST50 the image dims quite a bit - but at 30% the white was bright.

Turns out Contrast at 78 was right on the money to blend the 2 left stars AND the middle reference white star. Of course watching hockey games the ice doesnt look as blinding..luckily i dont watch hockey.

I'm not sure how to actually calibrate gamma - according to the WoW pattern the 2.2 bar looks most blended in with Gamma set at 2.2 (not the 2.4 that DNice and almost everyone else is using). If on my TV 2.2 is correct, what other patterns can i use to confirm? Especially on 3D

So far with 3D i basically set the Color Tone to Warm 1 and Gamma to 2.2 (altho maybe this should be 2.0?)
Edited by jerrolds - 2/8/13 at 7:39am
post #526 of 662
NEWBIE questions:

Is is possible my TV just came out of the box adjusted almost perfectly (or close to)? The reason I ask is I have a Samsung UN60ES7100 and bought the disc to try and help tweak the picture (which already looked great) in Movie Setting, and to minimize the clouding as best as possible. The only setting that ended up being adjusted was the Contrast and brightness came down a little bit, but other than that the Picture didn't adjust much in Advanced setting. I plan on trying the Expert this weekend, but ran out of time.

Another question is why your are not able to adjust the white balance sub menu's. I have tried some the setting posted in my TV's thread and most adjust these. Is this available in Expert or just not something that can be adjusted with the WoW disc.

All in all really awesome disc, just seems i either have no clue or hit the lotto with my set and it was set right for my room settings.
post #527 of 662
Hi Richard, what if you have a downfiring subwoofer (speaker cone) underneath?

Thanks
post #528 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBFilms View Post

Read earlier in this thread. The backlight and the way it works and affects calibration can be model dependent. You will see in the earlier posts in this thread a discussion regarding the backlight for a specific HDTV Panel and how that is handled.

Typically, you set the backlight according to how much ambient lighting you have.

In a daylight room ... you may more backlighting than you do in a dark room.

I found this link that may help explain backlighting a bit better than I dare try. Too many variables to cover easily on a simple post.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=316169&sid=6c0592c5175176a5503b3f44fd419cbd#316169



There are some tricks and tips for this posted in the forum regarding this.

Hi Richard

What if you have a downfiring subwoofer (KEF 2005.1) sub/sats

Thanks
post #529 of 662
What kind of audio bitrate are people getting when they play the HD audio shootout track? According to the track info, the 5.1 HD audio track will be a variable bitrate up to 24 Mbps.
However, while playing the track from my PS3 to my Pioneer Elite, the PS3 only got as high as about 8.5Mbps so I am wondering if the PS3 is not passing the full uncompressed track from the disc.
Any thoughts?
post #530 of 662
Is the WOW disc designed to work with the Radio Shack Sound Level Meter? What I mean is, with the pink noise test tones on the disc do I have to add or subtract dB's due to the Radio Shack SLM being imprecise with readings at certain frequencies? Especially the subwoofer pink noise test tone.
Maybe that's a silly question but it's been bothering me.

Al
post #531 of 662
Angler, there is a correction table for the radio shack SPL meters. Do a search on AVS to find one or elsewhere on the internet. There are diffetent tables for the different meters available.
post #532 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickD1225 View Post

Angler, there is a correction table for the radio shack SPL meters. Do a search on AVS to find one or elsewhere on the internet. There are diffetent tables for the different meters available.

Yes, I know that but the correction tables are for given frequencies and pink noise, from what I understand, is a mixture of all the frequencies. On the Disney WOW disc the subwoofer pink noise test tone is a portion of the lower frequencies of pink noise. The test tone for speakers seems to be a portion of the pink noise in the higher frequencies. That's why I ask about the correction tables because the two test tones are different and I'd like to know if I should use a different correction for each test tone or no correction at all.

I would think, given the differences in the two test tones, that a correction should be made in order to get the subwoofer level matched properley with the speakers. I'm curious if anyone is using correction with the Radio Shack sound level meter and, if so, what correction in decibels are doing?

Al
post #533 of 662
Sorry i didn't catch the pink noise upon my first read. No correction can be used for a multiple frequency test tone. If you want to check low frequency response I would suggest downloading specific test tones and then you can use the radio shack meter with the correction tables.
post #534 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickD1225 View Post

Sorry i didn't catch the pink noise upon my first read. No correction can be used for a multiple frequency test tone. If you want to check low frequency response I would suggest downloading specific test tones and then you can use the radio shack meter with the correction tables.

Well, that's what I thought but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. It just seems to me that the Radio Shack meter can't be too accurate when measuring those two test tones. Although, like you say, they are "multiple frequency test tone"(s), they are still very different in the range of the frequencies that they use.

Al
post #535 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by sg321 View Post

NEWBIE questions:

Is is possible my TV just came out of the box adjusted almost perfectly (or close to)? The reason I ask is I have a Samsung UN60ES7100 and bought the disc to try and help tweak the picture (which already looked great) in Movie Setting, and to minimize the clouding as best as possible. The only setting that ended up being adjusted was the Contrast and brightness came down a little bit, but other than that the Picture didn't adjust much in Advanced setting. I plan on trying the Expert this weekend, but ran out of time.

Another question is why your are not able to adjust the white balance sub menu's. I have tried some the setting posted in my TV's thread and most adjust these. Is this available in Expert or just not something that can be adjusted with the WoW disc.

All in all really awesome disc, just seems i either have no clue or hit the lotto with my set and it was set right for my room settings.

I have a 2010 Samsung plasma and the Movie default settings were the same as the Disney WOW's. I just had to adjust the tint by one notch.

So you are not alone. cool.gif
post #536 of 662
Then you are good to go...just follow the other recommendations.

Downward firing subs work well if you perform all the other tweaks.

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Originally Posted by phargrave View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by RBFilms View Post

Read earlier in this thread. The backlight and the way it works and affects calibration can be model dependent. You will see in the earlier posts in this thread a discussion regarding the backlight for a specific HDTV Panel and how that is handled.

Typically, you set the backlight according to how much ambient lighting you have.

In a daylight room ... you may more backlighting than you do in a dark room.

I found this link that may help explain backlighting a bit better than I dare try. Too many variables to cover easily on a simple post.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=316169&sid=6c0592c5175176a5503b3f44fd419cbd#316169



There are some tricks and tips for this posted in the forum regarding this.

Hi Richard

What if you have a downfiring subwoofer (KEF 2005.1) sub/sats

Thanks
post #537 of 662
Works perfectly on my system....did you follow the instructions?


You set the Sub +3Db over the mains as per the manual.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

Is the WOW disc designed to work with the Radio Shack Sound Level Meter? What I mean is, with the pink noise test tones on the disc do I have to add or subtract dB's due to the Radio Shack SLM being imprecise with readings at certain frequencies? Especially the subwoofer pink noise test tone.
Maybe that's a silly question but it's been bothering me.

Al
post #538 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBFilms View Post

Works perfectly on my system....did you follow the instructions?


You set the Sub +3Db over the mains as per the manual.

OK, this is what I'm looking for!
Per directions I read and heard that the sub was to be set 3dB's higher than the other speakers but, being new to subwoofers, I thought the +3dB's was just a standard thing in bass management.
Is setting the subwoofer 3dB higher than the other speakers a "correction"? That's what has been bugging me. I figured because the subwoofer test tone was of the lower frequencies of the pink noise there should be a correction of some kind.

I know I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill but that's the way I am. I'm irritating even to myself.

In the end though it doesn't really matter if it's a correction or not because ever since I calibrated my audio with the WOW disc my system sounds fantastic!

Al
post #539 of 662
RB Films
First like many others thanks for your time in this forum. Here are my questions

1. my voice sound sync is off compared to the actors on the screen but when I tried the WOW sound sync it appear not to work for the center channel where the movie dialogue comes from. When I make speaker distance adjustments on my OPPO player it does not seem to affect the sound timing. What am I missing?
2. Any advice on an Epson 5010 projector, it looks great right out of the box but I am just starting to play around with the calibration. In fact it looks better than my 63" Samsung plasma.
3. I love your pics of your stereo with all the Mapleshade gear, do your speaker really sound better on the floor? I want to give the brass footers a home made try any advice is appreciated.

Finally I have turned down my sub and while there is not as much "impact" for movies the sound is better. I also made a homemade stand with hardwood and nails to penetrate the carpet the sub is on

thanks
post #540 of 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBFilms View Post

Read earlier in this thread. The backlight and the way it works and affects calibration can be model dependent. You will see in the earlier posts in this thread a discussion regarding the backlight for a specific HDTV Panel and how that is handled.

Typically, you set the backlight according to how much ambient lighting you have.

In a daylight room ... you may more backlighting than you do in a dark room.

I found this link that may help explain backlighting a bit better than I dare try. Too many variables to cover easily on a simple post.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=316169&sid=6c0592c5175176a5503b3f44fd419cbd#316169



There are some tricks and tips for this posted in the forum regarding this.

Hi Richard - Thanks for all the great advice on this forum thread. I recently purchased the WOW disc and have the Sony HX853 (55") - Think it's the HX850 in the US, and with all the processing modes turned off still have problems calibrating contrast & brightness levels.

Even by disabling the local dimming this process is not totally removed, as with this model it still manifests itself after a few seconds on a totally black screen, which as I am sure you will appreciate, is not ideal.

The same issue with the contrast settings, even with mine set at max i.e 100 the stars that are mean't to "disappear" still remain........As always any advice or recommendations would be very much appreciated..........
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