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post #1681 of 1927
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Originally Posted by HT_Geek View Post

I know - it's bizarre. Comparing the spec sheets, it's identical to the Tee, except for the RF capability for the glasses and terming them FullHD.

I'm happy my TV is not obsolete, but still... quite bizarre...

Which tv do you have?
post #1682 of 1927
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Which tv do you have?

The WD-92840
post #1683 of 1927
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Originally Posted by HT_Geek View Post

The WD-92840

Hows the picture quality on it?

I was in HHGreg yesterday and they had the 82840 and 92840 right next to eachother with the same exact settings and the 92" looked so much dimmer and duller than the 82". But, when it came to screen size, it looked absolutely amazing and trumped any other tv in the store. I almost pulled the trigger on the 92" but I just couldn't get over the fact of how much less bright it was. Is that an issue with yours when it's in a controlled lighting area?
post #1684 of 1927
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

I guess what I'm really curious about is whether or not the Laservue handles motion better than the 840 and 740 series and also if it handles 3d any better? I've read a few different comments that the 3d on the 840 series isn't up to par with some of the better led's and plasmas. Are you pretty much just paying for a laser light that doesn't require you to replace a bulb later or is there more to it than that? Thanks

1. Yes the LaserVue is supposed to handle both motion blur and film judder better.

2. 840 3D after the last software update is as good if not better than any other flat panel 3D.

3. Blub based systems start with "white light" and the filter out any light color that is not Red, Green or Blue - a very significant loss of light. A Reduction system. Also the filters are not precise and allow some impurity colors through. Then to make the other colors, the RGB are mixed. To make white, the RGB colors are still mixed - you never see the original color of light from the lamp on screen and there is a loss of light and purities from impure filters involved.

Lasers generate light in Red, Green and Blue instead of filtering from white. The bandwidth of the RGB are also more precise with much less impurities or a better mixture when making colors. When mixed to make white is also more pure.

Lasers are an Additive system, lamps are a Reduction system.
post #1685 of 1927
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Originally Posted by GEP View Post


3. Blub based systems start with "white light" and the filter out any light color that is not Red, Green or Blue - a very significant loss of light. A Reduction system. Also the filters are not precise and allow some impurity colors through. Then to make the other colors, the RGB are mixed. To make white, the RGB colors are still mixed - you never see the original color of light from the lamp on screen and there is a loss of light and purities from impure filters involved.

Lasers generate light in Red, Green and Blue instead of filtering from white. The bandwidth of the RGB are also more precise with much less impurities or a better mixture when making colors. When mixed to make white is also more pure.

Lasers are an Additive system, lamps are a Reduction system.

this is misleading. the mitsubishi lamp-based units use six colors - red, green, blue, as well as cyan, magenta, and yellow. this gives much greater color gamut and accuracy than a simple three color setup - and obviously, they are manufactured to extremely tight tolerances. aside from filtering out IR, there's very little total light loss.

nearly all lasers are filtered as well; it's a common misconception that lasers put out light at only a single wavelength. there's often a lot of incoherent 'chatter' in the output that needs to be filtered. as well, it's hard to create a laser that puts out *exactly* the specific RGB wavelength desired, thus requiring further filtering.

completely aside from that, the one time i saw the laservue next to the lamp-based units, i found the laser speckle to be completely obnoxious, far more so than color-wheel rainbow effect.
post #1686 of 1927
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Hows the picture quality on it?

I was in HHGreg yesterday and they had the 82840 and 92840 right next to eachother with the same exact settings and the 92" looked so much dimmer and duller than the 82". But, when it came to screen size, it looked absolutely amazing and trumped any other tv in the store. I almost pulled the trigger on the 92" but I just couldn't get over the fact of how much less bright it was. Is that an issue with yours when it's in a controlled lighting area?

No - my TV is bright with rich vibrant colors.

It is possible that the 82 was set with it's Lamp Energy to Bright, and the 92 may have been set to Standard. Also, Picture Mode could have been set to Brilliant on the 82 and the 92 could have been on Natural or Bright. Speculation - of course...

I like my colors to pop, so I have the lamp set to Bright and the Picture set to Brilliant - and it looks awesome :-)
post #1687 of 1927
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Originally Posted by anastrophe View Post

this is misleading. the mitsubishi lamp-based units use six colors - red, green, blue, as well as cyan, magenta, and yellow. this gives much greater color gamut and accuracy than a simple three color setup - and obviously, they are manufactured to extremely tight tolerances. aside from filtering out IR, there's very little light total light loss.

nearly all lasers are filtered as well; it's a common misconception that lasers put out light at only a single wavelength. there's often a lot of incoherent 'chatter' in the output that needs to be filtered. as well, it's hard to create a laser that puts out *exactly* the specific RGB wavelength desired, thus requiring further filtering.

completely aside from that, the one time i saw the laservue next to the lamp-based units, i found the laser speckle to be completely obnoxious, far more so than color-wheel rainbow effect.

Actually when looking a the service manual, the current (740 / 840) models have a 6-segment/3-color color wheel and a 6-color processor - they had the 6-color processor even in LCD TVs.
post #1688 of 1927
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Originally Posted by HT_Geek View Post


No - my TV is bright with rich vibrant colors.

It is possible that the 82 was set with it's Lamp Energy to Bright, and the 92 may have been set to Standard. Also, Picture Mode could have been set to Brilliant on the 82 and the 92 could have been on Natural or Bright. Speculation - of course...

I like my colors to pop, so I have the lamp set to Bright and the Picture set to Brilliant - and it looks awesome :-)

Very good point. Not sure about how the lamp brightness was set. I knew something had to be different because it just wasnt near as bright and colorful as the 82" right next to it.

Still debating on what I want to do. I can get either the 82840 or 82842 for a really great price but something tells me I should just wait for the new L75-A96 laservue. When I called Paul's TV today and spoke with one of their sales reps, he informed me that the new Laservue is almost supposed to be like and LCD with how thin it is. Very intrigued. Any idea when it's supposed to go on sale?
post #1689 of 1927
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Very good point. Not sure about how the lamp brightness was set. I knew something had to be different because it just wasnt near as bright and colorful as the 82" right next to it.

Still debating on what I want to do. I can get either the 82840 or 82842 for a really great price but something tells me I should just wait for the new L75-A96 laservue. When I called Paul's TV today and spoke with one of their sales reps, he informed me that the new Laservue is almost supposed to be like and LCD with how thin it is. Very intrigued. Any idea when it's supposed to go on sale?

The press release seems to indicate late June for a MSRP of $5,999.
post #1690 of 1927
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Originally Posted by HT_Geek View Post


The press release seems to indicate late June for a MSRP of $5,999.

Sweet. Thanks for the info.

Btw, just got back from viewing the 92840 again this evening. I finally got someone to find me a remote and see for myself where the settings were at. Once I dialed in a few settings and got a blu-ray going on it...... Wow! I was very impressed. It has a very clean image with a bright and colorful picture. Amazing what can happen when someone knows how to setup a tv for an in store demo. I may just have to pull the plug on a 92" instead

Thanks again for the help!
post #1691 of 1927
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Sweet. Thanks for the info.

Btw, just got back from viewing the 92840 again this evening. I finally got someone to find me a remote and see for myself where the settings were at. Once I dialed in a few settings and got a blu-ray going on it...... Wow! I was very impressed. It has a very clean image with a bright and colorful picture. Amazing what can happen when someone knows how to setup a tv for an in store demo. I may just have to pull the plug on a 92" instead

Thanks again for the help!

Glad you got to see some of it's potential! It's truly an Awesome TV. I'm in love with it ;-)
post #1692 of 1927
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Originally Posted by HT_Geek View Post


Glad you got to see some of it's potential! It's truly an Awesome TV. I'm in love with it ;-)

I have. I can't imagine viewing that tv in a completely dark room with my surround sound going. I have to think it would be better than the movie theater.

Speaking of, how is the 3d on this set? Have you had a chance to view it?
post #1693 of 1927
anyone know what page in this thread has good settings to start with?
post #1694 of 1927
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

I have. I can't imagine viewing that tv in a completely dark room with my surround sound going. I have to think it would be better than the movie theater.

Speaking of, how is the 3d on this set? Have you had a chance to view it?

You are right - in a dark room it is just like being in a theater. I have almost limited myself to just IMAX showings that I visit the theater for. For everything else, my HT setup and this screen blows all local community theaters for sure, and is almost on par with a number of chain theater screens. Friends - without exception - are blown away :-) The thin bezel surrounding the screen is genius - it's like the picture is floating in front of you.

This is my first 3D TV. I was very sceptical going in, and didn't expect to use it. But it turned out to be better than expected. Not mind blowing for sure, but a lot better than I thought it would be. I got the XPAND 3D glasses, and they are a bit on the heaver side - and can get a bit uncomfortable after the one hour mark. It comes with about 3 different sized nose bridges. The picture is also quite a lot more duller than watching non 3D - but that was a known factor.

I've started buying the combos Blu-Ray's which have the 3D and the non 3D version, because for sure, after watching it in 3D once - for a second or more viewing later on, I know now, I would prefer the non 3D version - because it has so much more pop to it :-)
post #1695 of 1927
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Originally Posted by GEP View Post

Actually when looking a the service manual, the current (740 / 840) models have a 6-segment/3-color color wheel and a 6-color processor - they had the 6-color processor even in LCD TVs.

i could have sworn i saw a photo of the six color wheel from the current mitsu's at some point. but either way, there's not that much light loss from the filters, the light engine is less expensive - making for a much less expensive TV all other things being equal -- and at least for me, the laser speckle made the laservue unwatchable.
post #1696 of 1927
I was searching around to find anymore information on the new Laservue L75-A96 and stumbled across this website. Not really any info but some nice looking pics.

http://www.mevsadealers.com/library_2013.php?p=L75-A96

Enjoy!
post #1697 of 1927
I just received my new 92" Mitsubishi yesterday! It's awesomely huge! I tried the calibration settings posted here, picture definitely looks film like while watching bluray movies. I have to test it more in the evening when I get a chance as that will be more when I use the set and see if I keep the settings. HD NBC live tennis look nice and clear earlier today, even bright with the new settings. Loving the tv set so far, thanks everyone for there input on it. By the way mine was built on 2/12 and came with firmware 13.05 I updated it to 13.06 with a thumb drive. I'll post a pick soon, tv currently sits a little higher than I want but the image still looks good!
post #1698 of 1927
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Originally Posted by Digitaltrooper View Post

I just received my new 92" Mitsubishi yesterday! It's awesomely huge! I tried the calibration settings posted here, picture definitely looks film like while watching bluray movies. I have to test it more in the evening when I get a chance as that will be more when I use the set and see if I keep the settings. HD NBC live tennis look nice and clear earlier today, even bright with the new settings. Loving the tv set so far, thanks everyone for there input on it. By the way mine was built on 2/12 and came with firmware 13.05 I updated it to 13.06 with a thumb drive. I'll post a pick soon, tv currently sits a little higher than I want but the image still looks good!

can you give link to calibration settings?
post #1699 of 1927
I scanned this thread and did not see any comments on the "white dots of death" - Has anyone with the 92" noticed white dots in their picture?
post #1700 of 1927
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Originally Posted by SR71_1 View Post

I scanned this thread and did not see any comments on the "white dots of death" - Has anyone with the 92" noticed white dots in their picture?

I haven't read of any bad chips (white/black dots) on TVs later than the 2007 models.
post #1701 of 1927
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Originally Posted by ktm125 View Post

can you give link to calibration settings?

Sorry I can't because I forgot what post it was, or if it was in the Mitsu 2011 DLP forum posts.

But the settings are:

Mitsubishi TV Settings
Film Mode Auto
Picture Mode ADV1
Edge Enhance Off
Video Noise Off
Brightness 30
Contrast 63
Color 35
Tint 30
Sharpness 31
Gamma 2.2
Red High 1011
Green High 1023
Blue High 1010
Red Low 0
Green Low 0
Blue Low 0
Red Adjust 15,0,0
Green Adjust 0.13,5
Blue Adjust 0,0,15
Magenta Adjust 17.0,14
Cyan Adjust 0,16,13
Yellow Adjust 17.13,0

your welcome and thank you to the person that posted these back in February i think it was.

on another note the settings are not stored for all inputs so I was actually watching the tennis game on the stock settings and didn't realize it. Be warned the pro settings above probably look best during the evening as the over all image is a little dimmer, but the colors do look really accurate and realistic/film like. there's just less "pop" and not in "torch mode" to the colors on screen, so if you like that the settings might look a bit dull. I'm personally getting used to it because all I ever owned were plasma and LCD screens. i might keep the settings for certain times in the evening and go a little brighter during the day. I like that you can store different settings and such, and going back to default is really easy. takes like 2 min to adjust picture anyway.

Anyway i'm now on a mission to find a decent (cheap price) stand to replace my current setup. I'm paranoid the tempered glass on the current stand is going to explode with the weight of the new set. Looking for a non glass top now.
Oh yeah, i also just got done playing UFC3 and Forza on the new set...amazing!
post #1702 of 1927
hey thanks!
I found the PDF file in this thread for the above settings...
I assume these settings are for a controlled room with no lighting in front of the TV.
post #1703 of 1927
Are the XPAND X103 3D glasses the best ones to buy?
post #1704 of 1927
Or...

Picture Mode ADV1
Edge Enhance Off
Video Noise Off

Contrast 38
Brightness 27
Color 53
Tint 34
R High 992
G High 1017
B High 1023
R Low 0
G Low 2
B Low 3
R Adjust 23, 5, 0
G Adjust 5, 11, 09
B Adjust 0. 0, 22
Y Adjust 25, 20, 7
C Adjust 9, 25, 24
M Adjust 13, 6, 15

It all depends on the individual TV and viewing environment.
post #1705 of 1927
I just want to add that the light output numbers I have seen for the LaserVue when calibrated were lower than a 92840, considerably so.

I will agree with Augerhandle that settings are individual and each set and environment will dictate what is correct. Having said that.. I can't imagine the brightness contrast numbers he is using, they seem like they would pretty much cripple dynamic range.
post #1706 of 1927
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

I just want to add that the light output numbers I have seen for the LaserVue when calibrated were lower than a 92840, considerably so.

I will agree with Augerhandle that settings are individual and each set and environment will dictate what is correct. Having said that.. I can't imagine the brightness contrast numbers he is using, they seem like they would pretty much cripple dynamic range.

The settings are from a friend's set. It read 37 ftl at a Contrast setting of 38, which both surprised and impressed me. Brightness was set (using the 10 IRE pattern) at .65% of the 100 IRE pattern. He has the 73" model, however, and I seem to have posted in the wrong thread, though the point that settings are individual to each set is still valid.
post #1707 of 1927
I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on this set and I'm in the process of looking for a stand at the moment. In doing so I thought I'd see if anybody has mounted this tv. I have a new townhouse that has a portion of the wall carved out about 30" to allow for tv stands without sticking into the room. It would actually be a perfect location to mount this tv, if one can actually mount it.

Looking online, I came across this website that shows the 92840 mounted. This is a professional, so not sure if it's something I could do on my own. http://www.jameselectronics.biz/gallery.html

Has anyone else heard of someone mounting this tv? Thanks!
post #1708 of 1927
Answered my own question...called that company and turns out the tv is actually sitting on a ledge that is cut out of the wall. In other words, it was too good to be true and the tv is not mounted. Back to searching for a stand...rolleyes.gif
post #1709 of 1927
That set looked to be mounted way to high anyway. I just ordered the Bello Wide stand. I'm super excited to get it! even this stand is a little taller than I originally wanted but at my sitting distance of about 14-15 feet it should be fine. cant wait, ill post some pics when it shows up and when i'm all set up.
post #1710 of 1927
Someone help me out here...I went with the Bello stand as it seemed a lot of people here recommended it for the 92840... This thing is 90% glass-I just set it up tonight and have to ask...will it really support this set? The tv arrives tomorrow, last thing I want it to shatter it all the first day. It says it supports up to 200 lbs...with a 194lb TV that doesn't leave a lot of room for error. Others recommended it so I'm just curious if I am just being paranoid?
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