Originally Posted by Acid Snow FAIL!
Just because a small proportion of HDTVs fail to accept the 0-255 signal from Expanded, does not
mean the general population
should get out their silver bullets and garlic and start using Standard.
I'm using a 500M
, and it's blatantly obvious how massive a difference Expanded makes for blacks (as opposed to using Standard). ...Just because one guy
cries wolf doesn't mean everyone should follow his advice. ...So what if he notices a slight "white crush at the very top
"? ...The end result is far better blacks
! It's utterly insignificant that [he noticed] a white crush at the "very top
," because the overall improvement to the picture is leaps-and-bounds better. His reason for recommending Standard is simply irreverent to the overall improvement to PQ.
Most HDTVs made since late '07 are built to expect
a PC input: it's common manufacturing practice. It only makes sense for the general population to start using Expanded to enjoy the best overall picture from their Xbox.
your wrong. There is no black level improvement. Have you put this theory to the test with test patterns displaying RGB Full on a test disc? When using expanded or full, and you do not have a tv that allows you to set HDMI ports to RGB color space, all you do to the picture is crush the blacks.. Once you calibrate the set again, which needs the brightness setting much higher, the visual picture looks 100% exactly the same. Even if the set accepts RGB levels over HDMI, the set would STILL look exactly the same.
Limited RGB over HDMI:
Lets say your sets brightness is "correct" at 55.
Full RGB over HDMI:
Brightness at 55 is now way to low, you need brightness set to 98, and the resulting picture looks 100% the same.
Now you set your tv to accept full RGB space via HDMI, and the brightness is correct at 55 again, but, the picture still looks exactly the same as Limited/Standard.
You just THINK the depth, color, and black levels are better on expanded/full because the brightness is too low...
its the same as setting it to standard/limited and lowering your brightness to 0.
Your not gaining anything....and thats a fact
. It's a common issue that has been discussed in many places, like IGN, CNET, Home Theater Mag.
It's not really open for discussion man, its a fact.
You think your seeing an improvment becuase your sending full range rgb levels to a limited rgb tv setting...and your increasing the dynamic range without correcting the sets settings... Again, you can do the same thing by keeping it on limited/standard, and setting your tv brightness to 0 and contrast to 100...again...the settings are wrong...but you increase the dynamic range.