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post #1051 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

He estimates by timing from when network activity on that switch port ceases (i.e., the light stops blinking).

Which unfortunately doesn't seem to consistent with monitoring actual bandwidth on the router.

I know he has no other choice but the result may be misleading especially when using his method to state the ATV has a 1 minute buffer.

Perhaps there is some light traffic for a period after the download finishes - it looked as if that could be happening when I was looking at the Example Short.http://www.avsforum.com/t/1089285/netflix-streaming-quality/3210#post_23906682
post #1052 of 1242
The new UI is up on my TiVo today, as well as my PS3. I haven't received the Roku 3 or Xbox 360 updates yet. Yes, it does feature Profiles and asks you to choose one before it starts (you can go to a menu afterwards to change to another). Hopefully it will stop asking if you choose the same one several times in a row. It's a bit different on the PS3; on the PS3 you bring up a menu with CIRCLE button and go directly to Search with TRIANGLE; on TiVo you scroll to the row above My List to see the menu. The menu includes Search (a magnifying glass), Kids, Profiles (the icon of the currently selected) and Settings (a cog); Settings is the menu you previously got to with UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT UP UP UP UP. From that menu you can see version information and run a network diagnostic, as well as log out of your Netflix account. If I had a family I think that I'd prefer that that menu remain harder to get to, though I'm sure that older kids would quickly learn how to get there. The menu on the Kids UI also contains that Settings item, which is just stupid inasmuch as you can "break" the player by logging out of your TiVo account, requiring the password to log back in. On the PS3 that menu additionally contains "Max", a useless little quiz that you can take to help you choose a title which fits your present mood; you take the quiz and it presents you with recommendations. "Max" is also available by scrolling through the library browser, a few rows down from My List.

On the PS3 you get a big content ad to begin with; mine is for Sharknado. Press OK/SELECT and it'll take you to the menu for that title; scroll down to get to My List, which is where it starts out on TiVo. The top half of the screen is always consumed by information for the currently selected title, leaving only two rows of 5 cover thumbs visible. The information is a description of the title on the left with a slideshow of three shots from the title on the right. The cover thumbs are now 16x9 shaped. Hit PLAY and it'll start playing the selection, from where you left off if you'd played it before and not finished. Hit OK/SEL and it'll bring up the title menu. The title menu, for some reason, no longer contains "Play from beginning", something I'm sure will elicit complaints. The same is true of the Xbox player and has been for years so people will probably get used to it. TV series have an item for More Episodes which puts you in a list of seasons with a set of four episodes visible on the right with a poster thumb from the episode to the left of a description; if you select a season you can slide up and down through the list of episodes. I really wish that, when you select a title that's a series, it would replace the generic description of the series with a description of the currently selected episode but they sadly didn't do that; to get that current episode description you have to drill down to More Episodes. Weirdly, you just get a second different description of the series.

During playback you can hit DOWN to see the scrub bar; hit DOWN again and you can select the Audio & Subtitles menu to change those things without pausing playback. (This has been part of the PS3 Netflix player for some months).

The stream status info overlay (this) which comes up when you press INFO (DISPLAY or SELECT on PS3) no longer contains bit rate information on TiVo so you don't know which of two 480, 720 or 1080 Super HD encodes that you're seeing. It does not completely go away when you press INFO again; the audio and subtitle (if any) lines stay (TiVo only). That "feature" is not documented by Netflix anywhere; it's their debug tool, available for use as-is. If you hit DOWN and then INFO on the TiVo then the whole overlay goes away.

EDIT: After playing with it a little more I notice that they've retired the "Super HD" logo in the descriptions; all titles in HD are simply marked "HD". When the "Super HD" logo was there, a title marked simply "HD" was 720p-only.

I also note that they've removed the "x of y" indicator from the browser row. You used to see that the title that you've selected was "5 of 75" for example; not anymore. The genre rows continue to be 75 titles long AFAICT.
post #1053 of 1242
Nice, thanks for that review. The lack of definitive stream quality info is a bit disconcerting, but I suppose for the masses it was never really there anyway, it would be nice to confirm what you're seeing though(720p, 1080p, etc).
post #1054 of 1242
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Nice, thanks for that review. The lack of definitive stream quality info is a bit disconcerting, but I suppose for the masses it was never really there anyway, it would be nice to confirm what you're seeing though(720p, 1080p, etc).

Most of the devices with the stream info display say "480 SD", "720 HD", "1080 HD", etc. At first TiVo Roamio was additionally displaying a bit rate, so you'd see "2350 Kbps 720 HD" or "3000 Kbps 720 HD" or "4300 Kbps 1080 Super HD" or "5800 Kbps 1080 Super HD". Only TiVo Roamio was displaying that bit rate and now it isn't. You are still shown that you're looking at 720 HD resolution, just not which of the two possible encodes you're seeing (2350- or 3000 Kbps). The same thing is true of the two possible 1080 Super HD (4300- or 5800 Kbps) or two possible 480p encodes (1050- or 1750 Kbps, which actually have different horizontal resolutions).
post #1055 of 1242
I too miss the play from beginning as I used it to restart a program on my PS3 because the other devices I watched on gave me problems. Now I have to rewind it from the beginning.
post #1056 of 1242
I'd really love to hear their reasoning for leaving the "Play from beginning" option out.
Edited by michaeltscott - 11/14/13 at 6:00pm
post #1057 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Most of the devices with the stream info display say "480 SD", "720 HD", "1080 HD", etc. At first TiVo Roamio was additionally displaying a bit rate, so you'd see "2350 Kbps 720 HD" or "3000 Kbps 720 HD" or "4300 Kbps 1080 Super HD" or "5800 Kbps 1080 Super HD". Only TiVo Roamio was displaying that bit rate and now it isn't. You are still shown that you're looking at 720 HD resolution, just not which of the two possible encodes you're seeing (2350- or 3000 Kbps). The same thing is true of the two possible 1080 Super HD (4300- or 5800 Kbps) or two possible 480p encodes (1050- or 1750 Kbps, which actually have different horizontal resolutions).
Ah okay, I see, it's just the actual bit rate that's missing. In the end it all comes down to what it looks like on the screen anyway, though the inner geek in us usually wants to know for a fact what we're seeing! tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1058 of 1242
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Edited by tubetwister - 11/14/13 at 10:05pm
post #1059 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Most of the devices with the stream info display say "480 SD", "720 HD", "1080 HD", etc. At first TiVo Roamio was additionally displaying a bit rate, so you'd see "2350 Kbps 720 HD" or "3000 Kbps 720 HD" or "4300 Kbps 1080 Super HD" or "5800 Kbps 1080 Super HD". Only TiVo Roamio was displaying that bit rate and now it isn't. You are still shown that you're looking at 720 HD resolution, just not which of the two possible encodes you're seeing (2350- or 3000 Kbps). The same thing is true of the two possible 1080 Super HD (4300- or 5800 Kbps) or two possible 480p encodes (1050- or 1750 Kbps, which actually have different horizontal resolutions).

My Samsung PN51F8500 got the update today.
Bitrate info is now gone but video resolution is still there.
Super HD is gone completely including under the title screens.
They used to say "Super HD" but now just HD (super HD is still shown on my roku with no update) !!
I could not get anything to stream faster that 720p (@ 3000 kbps on example short).
This TV used to ramp up to full 5080 kbps super HD in 5-10 seconds.
Hope this is a startup glitch but I suspect Netflix is "up to something" that will lower quality for all but minimize the bandwidth used $$$$$$ and masked as an "upgrade".
The new version has a network test page but this locked up the TV (had to pull the plug to shut off).
Not good so far but I'll give it a week or so before I really start complaining ....
post #1060 of 1242
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Originally Posted by todd95008 View Post

...I suspect Netflix is "up to something" that will lower quality for all but minimize the bandwidth used $$$$$$ and masked as an "upgrade".

If so, they aren't they aren't attacking my platforms. Both my PS3 and TiVo Roamio jump to Super HD encodes from the beginning and stay there; both are running the new UI. My nominal network service rate is 100 Mbps from a provider who's a Netflix Open Connect partner, but still.
post #1061 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Only TiVo Roamio was displaying that bit rate and now it isn't..

We've just (two days ago) had the Netflix app added to Tivo in the UK (provided by cable TV provider Virgin Media). This shows the bitrate as well as showing whether it is 1080HD or 1080 Super HD. The Tivo we have is based on the Tivo Premier.

Not sure If or when we will get the new interface.
post #1062 of 1242
Anyone seen a review of netflix on the ps4 yet?

I'm hoping that it supports 24p and DD+...
post #1063 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

If so, they aren't they aren't attacking my platforms. Both my PS3 and TiVo Roamio jump to Super HD encodes from the beginning and stay there; both are running the new UI. My nominal network service rate is 100 Mbps from a provider who's a Netflix Open Connect partner, but still.
Did not know you had 100 Mbps down and with open connect no wonder you have no problems. smile.gif.

Kidding aside I don't see much of a difference in performance on the PS3 but since the last update I have been seeing less of that 240 SD crap at startup and on SD programs which I do watch many off unlike you it starts right away in SD not low definition.
post #1064 of 1242
Clicking on the heading such as "New Releases" will bring up the long list of those although I wish there was a limit to how "new" the release is. Sometimes there are things that have been on that list for a year. Amazon has "new release" range options. Same with genres.

I like the "List" idea because I had almost 400 things in my queue but no way to massively clean it out and start over again. "List" puts your latest pick at the top instead of at the bottom.
post #1065 of 1242
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My nominal network service rate is 100 Mbps from a provider who's a Netflix Open Connect partner, but still.
Did not know you had 100 Mbps down and with open connect no wonder you have no problems. smile.gif.

I started the summer in the 30/2 tier and then ran into its 300 GB bandwidth cap due to increased streaming during the summer television hiatus (I probably wouldn't have if I could have blocked the Super HD encodes rolleyes.gif). I talked to Cox and they gave me a year long deal on the 50/5 tier, which has a 400 GB cap. Several weeks ago they spontaneously doubled the speed of all of their tiers, landing me in 100/30; I'm not complaining.
post #1066 of 1242
I got the update to the 5.2 firmware on my Roku 3 this morning, which includes the new Netflix UI. Here are some Roku-3-specific impressions and observations.

It runs pretty damn well on Roku 3, though perhaps a bit less responsive than TiVo Roamio and PS3; nothing that would bother anyone. It takes a few seconds longer to start than the old one, 9 seconds versus 4-6 seconds. It still starts streams very quickly, within 3 or 4 seconds. Using "Example Short 23.976", a test clip with bit-rate/resolution info burned onto each of its component video encodes, I've seen it start at 5800 Kbps a few times. I've also seen it immediately drop to 3000 Kbps and work its way back up in 5 or 6 seconds. A few time I've seen it start at 1750 Kbps and take 20 seconds to ramp up. (TiVo Roamio and PS3 both usually start at 5800 Kbps and stay there, possibly dropping down to 3000 Kbps briefly, ramping back up to and remaining at 5800 Kbps). My nominal network service rate is 100 Mbps down on Cox San Diego, a Netflix Open Connect partner so your mileage may vary.

I was hoping that it would have this stream info display available, which I really like (both the TiVo Roamio and PS3 do, as well as my WD TV Live and Sony BDP-S390). If it does, I can't figure how to bring it on screen. I tried OPTIONS, which does nothing that I can detect during playback or in the browser, and the A and B buttons (discovering that A rotates through available soundtrack options and B rotates through available captions/subtitles options).

If you're using a service like UnblockUS to view titles in the Netflix catalogs of other countries where English is not the primary language, many, if not most titles will feature a list of subtitles for English language films which might not have either "English" or "None" options, forcing you to view the film with non-English-language subtitles. One nice thing about the old Roku Netflix player was that it always featured a "None" option; this player is like all of the rest frown.gif.

One thing which bugs me more as I use this player is that they omitted a "Play from beginning" option from the title menus, as well as the "Audio & subtitles" menu. You can very rapidly rewind to the beginning (the 3X speed est très grand vitesse) and set the desired audio and captions/subtitles option when playback begins but I'd prefer to do that before starting. Perhaps they'll revisit this decision rolleyes.gif.

The version 5.2 Roku firmware also includes the M-GO video rental service integrated in its main menu. That menu used to have "My Channels", "Search", "Channel Store" and "Settings" entries; it now additionally has "Movies", "TV Shows" and "News", with the first two being portals into M-GO, requiring no start up time like the other channels do. I have no idea how M-GO got this preferential arrangement; no doubt there was an exchange of money. (I'm not where "News" goes; it's a collection of clips from different services). I got four free rentals from M-GO, two for joining and two which they sent me codes for a couple of weeks after joining and before I used it at all. I used one of them to view Pacific Rim--it seemed as good as VUDU to me, with DD+ 5.1 sound. The FAQ on their site says that their HD is 720p but if so, you could have fooled me.
post #1067 of 1242
What do you think of the new Netflix app on the Roamio and Mini? I tried it out this morning and now it does not show bitrate or SuperHD in the info screen. And on the title pages it also was not showing SuperHD for the titles any more. Or did they bring back the Open connect deal where your ISP needs to be part of it to get access to SuperHD?
post #1068 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

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Originally Posted by todd95008 View Post

...I suspect Netflix is "up to something" that will lower quality for all but minimize the bandwidth used $$$$$$ and masked as an "upgrade".
If so, they aren't they aren't attacking my platforms. Both my PS3 and TiVo Roamio jump to Super HD encodes from the beginning and stay there; both are running the new UI. My nominal network service rate is 100 Mbps from a provider who's a Netflix Open Connect partner, but still.

todd95008's reaction is a simple indication of how much good will and credit Netflix has lost among its customers. It has been a while since Netflix has done something right by its customers.
post #1069 of 1242
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Originally Posted by todd95008 View Post

My Samsung PN51F8500 got the update today.
Bitrate info is now gone but video resolution is still there.
Super HD is gone completely including under the title screens.
They used to say "Super HD" but now just HD (super HD is still shown on my roku with no update) !!
I could not get anything to stream faster that 720p (@ 3000 kbps on example short).
This TV used to ramp up to full 5800 kbps super HD in 5-10 seconds.
Hope this is a startup glitch but I suspect Netflix is "up to something" that will lower quality for all but minimize the bandwidth used $$$$$$ and masked as an "upgrade".
The new version has a network test page but this locked up the TV (had to pull the plug to shut off).
Not good so far but I'll give it a week or so before I really start complaining ....

O.K. I cried wolf too soon (maybe).
I think the network was severely overloaded pushing out updates ??
Later last night I was able to ramp up to 5800 kbps with both my ROKU 3 and with the Samsung TV (on example short).
The super HD logos were still gone on the TV version Vs ROKU 3 (without update).
I guess I will wait for the ROKU update and see.

Todd
post #1070 of 1242
I think that the Super HD logos are intentionally gone as are the "play from beginning" and "audio & subtitles" title menu options. I don't care about the Super HD logos (since the great majority of titles have Super HD video encodes) but I'd love to get those other things back.
post #1071 of 1242
I got the new UI on Xbox 360 tonight. Weird--a message popped up in the idle dashboard "Updating Netflix"; it didn't even wait for me to run it. It works pretty nicely with Kinect voice controls, though there no longer seems to be any gestural control, not that I'd use them. Whatever--it's still limited to 720p for HD so I'll never use it. That, and it uses too much power for the task.

I now have the new UI on TiVo Roamio, PS3, Xbox 360 and Roku 3. It has not shown up on my Panasonic or Sony BDPs, my WD TV Live or my Roku 2XS--it might never come to any of those. TiVo recently ported the Opera platform to TiVo Premiere and a TiVo hacker reported success running the new UI on it; TiVo Premiere should get it as the default soon (it's currently running the UI just previously on PS3 using Adobe AIR).
post #1072 of 1242
Not just 720p only on the Xbox 360 but you still need a Gold subscription to watch Netflix which is useless since you are already paying for it. That is why I never got one.
post #1073 of 1242
I am a gamer and have had an Gold account since XBL existed.
post #1074 of 1242
I use to be a gamer but now I get bored with a game after five minutes. I rather watch TV, browse the WWW & listen to music
post #1075 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Clicking on the heading such as "New Releases" will bring up the long list of those although I wish there was a limit to how "new" the release is. Sometimes there are things that have been on that list for a year. Amazon has "new release" range options. Same with genres.

I like the "List" idea because I had almost 400 things in my queue but no way to massively clean it out and start over again. "List" puts your latest pick at the top instead of at the bottom.

Note that "New Releases" stands for titles recently released to the market (from about 5 years), and not recently included in the Netflix catalog.

For that there is a genre (not always available) called "Recently added".

Using the browser you can always access a page called "New Arrivals" through the following link: movies.netflix.com/WiRecentAdditions
post #1076 of 1242
The Xbox One has a decent Netflix player, which, unlike the Xbox 360's, can play the three 1080p video encodes, 3850-, 4300- and 5800 Kbps (the latter two being "Super HD"). Strangely it's "Metro"-styled; strange because they recently brought their New Netflix Experience UI to the Xbox 360, identical to the PS3, Roku 3 and TiVo Roamio versions. The Xbox One Netflix player supports gestural commands via Kinect whereas the Xbox 360 one only supports voice.
post #1077 of 1242

For those who'd like the see it, I linked to a video of the Xbox One app here.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1499447/netflix-spruces-up-service-for-television-screens#post_23980802

post #1078 of 1242
One cool thing about the Xbox One Netflix was that I didn't have to log into it. I started it up and it logged me into the Netflix account associated with my XBL account. For Amazon and VUDU I had to tediously enter my e-mail address and password. VUDU wouldn't log me in until I realized that my account had the maximum 6 devices on it, so I went the the VUDU web site and dropped one of them; the app didn't tell me what was wrong.

I'm personally unlikely to ever use my Xbox One to watch Netflix; TiVo Roamio is now my favorite platform for that (mostly because I can bring up the stream status display; my Roku 3 has the same UI and runs it just as smoothly). One thing I will note about the Xbox One version is that it does not ramp up to the highest video encodes nearly instantly as the devices I have with the new UI all do (TiVo Roamio, PS3 and Roku 3--Xbox 360 too, but it cannot play the 1080p encodes).
post #1079 of 1242

^^ Did your Panasonic BR Player 220 change over to the new app?  I think I read a post where you said it did, but I can't find it.

I was just thinking of getting an older brplayer that wouldn't be updated as a backup, as my Insignia BR's disc drive is failing now.  :(

post #1080 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

^^ Did your Panasonic BR Player 220 change over to the new app?

Not so far--I check it from time to time (I just did, since you asked). There's also been no change in the WD TV Live's version of the app or the Sony BDP-S390's. It's a shame since Netflix's tech-blog entry on it indicates that they've dumped Webkit to switch to a new web page rendering engine of their own design, optimized for their app's needs. It would probably run much better on these low powered, low resource platforms than the current Webkit-based one does. Unfortunately if it requires an upgrade to the code resident on the device the OEMs of older devices aren't likely to do it (WD TV Live maybe, the BDT220 and S390 probably not). There are significant features they were able to implement entirely in HTML5 (like Profiles and the Kids UI) which didn't require a firmware update but this may be different.
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