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post #991 of 1242
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Originally Posted by king3pj View Post

What I really want to know is will a 720p Roku HD look and sound as good on a 720p TV as a 1080p Roku set to output 720p? Do they get the same max bitrate streams from Netflix? If not I will pick up another Roku 2 XD or Apple TV.

I'm fairly sure that if you set the output of a Roku 2 XD or XS to 720p the best it will stream is the highest bit rate 720p encode. I've run across a couple of devices which will ramp up to the 1080p encodes when their maximum output is set to 720p (TiVo Premiere, Sony BDP-S390) but most won't.

You're right. I just tested this by setting the 2 XD I have hooked to a 1080p TV output to 720p and ran the example short. The highest stream it gave me was the 720p encode. I switched the Roku back to 1080p and I got the 1080p encode.

It looks like I should just save the $40 and go with the Roku HD since it will give me the exact same picture quality as the 1080p models on a 720p TV. I was hoping to get the higher bitrate 1080p encode scaled down to 720p.


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post #992 of 1242
Roku plays Netflix louder and clearer than the PS3 and it does not have that annoying auto play however the PS3 Netflix UI is light years ahead of the Roku's butt ugly Netflix UI.
post #993 of 1242
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Roku plays Netflix louder and clearer than the PS3 and it does not have that annoying auto play however the PS3 Netflix UI is light years ahead of the Roku's butt ugly Netflix UI.

I wouldn't call it "light years ahead". That interface is on about six devices that I own (TiVo Premiere, PS3, WD TV Live, two Panasonic and one Sony BD players). The one thing that I strongly dislike about it is that you have to drill down a couple of layers in to find the description of the next episode of a TV series (More Episodes->Season->Episode-Name). I watch a lot of TV on Netflix and it's extremely annoying. In the Roku Netflix UI you see the series' overview description in the little box that pops up as you step through the poster thumbs in the browser, but if you chose one and hit OK the title's dialog gives you the description of the next episode. If you start playing an episode from the title's dialog, when it finishes you end up back in that dialog with a description of the next episode. Of course, the Netflix "Post-play" Experience on players with the PS3-style UI will automatically start the next episode after the end of the one you're watching, skipping the title sequence if there's no lead-in scene. (I'm still not sure whether I like that but I've mostly been using my WD TV Live for Netflix and I've come to expect it).
Edited by michaeltscott - 4/10/13 at 7:00pm
post #994 of 1242
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Roku plays Netflix louder and clearer than the PS3 and it does not have that annoying auto play however the PS3 Netflix UI is light years ahead of the Roku's butt ugly Netflix UI.
"Louder and clearer"? Can you elaborate on that?
post #995 of 1242
So I am back looking for a new Netflix / Amazon / Hulu + player.

My Roku 2 still suffers black level and color space issues with my Onkyo RC-360. I was hoping the new update would fix it but it didn't (supposedly the issue was fixed with the Roku 3).

Here is what I am looking for Netflix / Amazon / Hulu + with 1080P / 5.1 output (where supported) and support for 24P from streaming (natively preferred).

Apple TV doesn't do Amazon (has 24P support - but I don't think it is native)

WD TV Play / WD TV Live don't have Amazon (has 24P support - but not native)

BDT220 (has 24P support - but not native) - I did also see some comments suggesting it may not support Amazon 5.1 - but I am not certain about this.

So while it looks like the BDT220 is closest I don't like the thought of having to switch to 24P for each 24P streaming title I watch. I am also wary of using a Blu-Ray player as my main streamer as they tend to get stranded with whatever streaming application is current when they are released while the dedicated streamers (Apple, WD, Roku etc) will continue to updated in the future.

I am very happy to keep using my BD390 for Blu-Ray and Vudu where it handles 24P natively for both - so as I say I am looking a device with Netflix / Amazon / Hulu + with 1080P / 5.1 output and support for native 24P from streaming.

Suggestions appreciated.........
post #996 of 1242
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

BDT220 (has 24P support - but not native) - I did also see some comments suggesting it may not support Amazon 5.1 - but I am not certain about this.

I can confirm that; the BDT220 does not have 5.1 sound in Amazon. You have to activate 24p once after you enter a VOD player; if you watch multiple titles you don't have to enable it for each.
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I am very happy to keep using my BD390 for Blu-Ray and Vudu where it handles 24P natively for both - so as I say I am looking a device with Netflix / Amazon / Hulu + with 1080P / 5.1 output and support for native 24P from streaming.

I wasn't aware that the BDT390 had the ability to output 24p for anything other than discs. I've owned one since they shipped and have followed that thread; I'd have thought that someone would have mentioned it by now.

What do you mean by "natively"?
post #997 of 1242
The PS3 is the best device for Netflix. Nothing else comes close.

It has the biggest buffer, the best and fastest UI, best PQ and sound.

I am not being bias but after using the Roku 3 & Windows 8 app (the worst in the bunch as the website is more reliable) I end up always going back to the PS3.
post #998 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I wasn't aware that the BDT390 had the ability to output 24p for anything other than discs. I've owned one since they shipped and have followed that thread; I'd have thought that someone would have mentioned it by now.

What do you mean by "natively"?

LG BD390 http://www.lg.com/us/blu-ray-players/lg-BD390-blu-ray-dvd-player 2009 Blu-Ray player

It outputs 24P for both Vudu and Netflix - Netflix is unfortunately only 720P and 2.0 - but Vudu is 1080P and 5.1.

By natively I mean the output format matches the source format - so 24P Netflix / Vudu titles are output at 24P automatically. Most Blu-Ray players have this option for Blu-Ray's but it seems no recent ones support this for streaming. The BD390 does this for Blu-Rays, Vudu and Netflix.
post #999 of 1242
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

The PS3 is the best device for Netflix. Nothing else comes close.

It has the biggest buffer, the best and fastest UI, best PQ and sound.

I am not being bias but after using the Roku 3 & Windows 8 app (the worst in the bunch as the website is more reliable) I end up always going back to the PS3.

I am not really looking for a console - but you didn't say if the PS3 can do 'Netflix / Amazon / Hulu + with 1080P / 5.1 output and support for native 24P from streaming'. As this would also replace a Blu-Ray player I would also need Vudu with 24P native streaming.
post #1000 of 1242
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

LG BD390 http://www.lg.com/us/blu-ray-players/lg-BD390-blu-ray-dvd-player 2009 Blu-Ray player

It outputs 24P for both Vudu and Netflix - Netflix is unfortunately only 720P and 2.0 - but Vudu is 1080P and 5.1.

Oooops! Sorry--I thought that you were talking about the Sony BDP-S390. These OEMs should check with each other and avoid using the same numbers in their product names rolleyes.gif.

Looking at the Netflix support page on LG device capabilities the BD390 would seem to be a "legacy" device without support for 1080p, 5.1 sound or selectable subtitles/captions. It don't think that it's adaptive bit rate either. I wouldn't use it for Netflix but that's your choice.
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By natively I mean the output format matches the source format - so 24P Netflix / Vudu titles are output at 24P automatically. Most Blu-Ray players have this option for Blu-Ray's but it seems no recent ones support this for streaming. The BD390 does this for Blu-Rays, Vudu and Netflix.

You should have just said "not automatically" biggrin.gif.
post #1001 of 1242
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Oooops! Sorry--I thought that you were talking about the Sony BDP-S390. These OEMs should check with each other and avoid using the same numbers in their product names rolleyes.gif.

No problem.
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Looking at the Netflix support page on LG device capabilities the BD390 would seem to be a "legacy" device without support for 1080p, 5.1 sound or selectable subtitles/captions. It don't think that it's adaptive bit rate either. I wouldn't use it for Netflix but that's your choice.
You should have just said "not automatically" biggrin.gif.

I agree that's why I am looking for a new Netflix/Amazon/Hulu player to replace my misbehaving Roku 2 (black level / color space issues with my Onkyo).

The LG BD390 is however perfect for Blu-Ray and Vudu with it's 'automatic ' smile.gif 24P switching..
post #1002 of 1242
How is the Oppo 103/105 vs Apple TV 3? I am very curious about the support for DD+ and if any titles at all use ot
post #1003 of 1242
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How is the Oppo 103/105 vs Apple TV 3? I am very curious about the support for DD+ and if any titles at all use ot

According to this list for Netflix players,, Apple TV is standard DD 5.1 and the Oppo 103 is DD Plus 5.1

http://www.techofthehub.com/whats-best-netflix-player
post #1004 of 1242
I am was thinking of PQ of Oppo vs ATV and if many titles on Netflix are with DD+.

I assume that the Oppo will stream DD+ to a reciever.
post #1005 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Webmonkey View Post

I am was thinking of PQ of Oppo vs ATV and if many titles on Netflix are with DD+.

I assume that the Oppo will stream DD+ to a reciever.

All Netflix titles with digital 5.1 sound have that sound encoded as DD+. Some devices, like the Xbox 360 and launch model PS3, will convert that to basic DD 5.1 for output but I've heard that Netflix produces a basic DD 5.1 version for ATV.
post #1006 of 1242
I ended going with an Apple TV to replace my Roku 2.

None of the players met all my criteria above 'Netflix / Amazon / Hulu + with 1080P / 5.1 output (where supported) and support for 24P from streaming (natively preferred).'

ATV doesn't do Amazon or 24P but the benefits of Airplay mirroring tipped the balance in the end (we have 2 iPhones and an iPad).

Very happy with the Apple TV picture quality. The Roku outputs RGB and caused some color space / black level issues for me. I can set the ATV to YCbCr or Auto and it looks very good - frankly the colors look much more accurate and and black / shadow detail is great. I can confirm the ATV only does DD not DD+

I tried the THX tune-up app (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455057/thx-launches-its-first-mobile-app-just-in-time-for-the-super-bowl) and while this is obviously not a full blown calibration app it does give a quick check on settings and confirms everything looks good.

Netflix streaming also looks good - I would say better than the Roku 2 even when color space / black level was correct on the Roku 2. It seems to have more pop and color accuracy. Obviously I can't comment compared to an Oppo.

So I still haven't found the perfect streamer - but the Apple TV is a good compromise for me.

+ Great Picture Quality
+ Airplay Mirroring

- No Amazon (I ended using the Amazon App on my TV and HDMI ARC back to my receiver. No 5.1 audio but it works well enough for the occasions I use Amazon especially as I set this as an activity using my Harmony remote)
- Only DD not DD+
- No 24P output (but it seems to handle 24P sources reasonably well)
- No Vudu - but my LG BD390 has Vudu support with 24P output
Edited by undecided - 5/24/13 at 8:21pm
post #1007 of 1242
Playing Short 23.976 on Netflix

Roku 3 (set at 1080) and LG smart TV: 3000 kBPS, Res 1280 x 720, PAR 1:1

Sony S3100 Blu-ray DVD player: 4300 kBPS (sometimes more), Res 1920 x 1080, Par 1:1

iPhone 5 and Wii: Nothing worth reporting
post #1008 of 1242
The Netflix Tech Blog reports that they have their HTML5 web player running in IE on Win8.1. They've been working on that for a while (see this) to replace their current website player, based on Silverlight, which, like Adobe Flash, is becoming de-supported. The new player has 1080p video support. (You'd think that the HTML5 video media extensions would have included one that'd allow them to play 5.1 sound).

I'm tempted to try the Win8.1 preview just to play with HTML5 web Netflix but I'd have to take the trouble to more thoroughly back up my system.
post #1009 of 1242
Big deal you still need Windows 8 then you can just use the app. What about Windows 7 which has no app and you are only forced to use the power hungry Silverlight and you can only get 720p. Bring 1080p support for Macs and Windows 7 machines which most are using.
post #1010 of 1242
It is a big deal because MS says IE 11, which is required for HTML5 1080p Netflix, is also coming to Win 7 eventually. So this is a very positive development for the PC world at least.
post #1011 of 1242
I recently noticed a newlyy released feature on the Netflix ipad app titled "play on". Looks similar to the AirPlay icon

The added featrure allows you to browse titles on your ipad and play them on your tv device. I really love this feature but it doesn't seem to work on all the Netflix devices. I saw it recently pop up on the Tivo mini but none of my other Netflix devices seem to support it.

Anyone know more details about this feature and which devices support it?

PS- Everything I'm reading so far, this feature looks to be a Chromecast feature which makes this even more bazaar since I don't have a Chromecast device.


Edited by adidino - 8/31/13 at 8:54am
post #1012 of 1242

That feature has also been available for several months to PS3 users with Andriod tablets/devices. Browse Netflix on the tablet, with the PS3 app open, you can select titles on the tablet and have them play on the console.

post #1013 of 1242
The more digging I'm doing, the more this seems to me the DIAL feature Google has been working on. The same icon and function appeared on the YouTube app. So this doesn't seem to be. Netflix specific feature but enables on Netflix if a DIAL capable device is detected on the network.

Very little details out the on this feature and which devices it will work on.
post #1014 of 1242
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

The added featrure allows you to browse titles on your ipad and play them on your tv device.

It works with a new Vizo TV that was just installed. When the title is selected and the play button is pressed the app asked which device you want the title to play on. I select the Vizo TV and iPad app starts the Vizo TV Neflix app and then starts the title playing. BIG problem, there is a lot of rebuffering on the TV making the title unwatchable. Dump the iPad app, load the Vizo TV Netflix app, select the same title and it plays with no rebuffering. DIAL seems to be a work in progress.
post #1015 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

It works with a new Vizo TV that was just installed. When the title is selected and the play button is pressed the app asked which device you want the title to play on. I select the Vizo TV and iPad app starts the Vizo TV Neflix app and then starts the title playing. BIG problem, there is a lot of rebuffering on the TV making the title unwatchable. Dump the iPad app, load the Vizo TV Netflix app, select the same title and it plays with no rebuffering. DIAL seems to be a work in progress.

Haven't seen an issue with rebuffering at all. You running the Vizio wireless? That could be the issue. The Tivo Mini works like a charm so far.
post #1016 of 1242
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

You running the Vizio wireless?

No, it is wired. All wired LAN devices (router and switches) are 10/100/1000 except cable modem. All wiring is shielded CAT5e which works just fine because most runs are short with the longest at 65'.

Have never seen a rebuffering for Netflix (or Amazon Prime) on the Blu-ray player, Vizo TV, iPad and Netflix Windows 8 app. On a few occasions have had rebuffering when using VUDU on the Blu-ray player.
post #1017 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

No, it is wired. All wired LAN devices (router and switches) are 10/100/1000 except cable modem. All wiring is shielded CAT5e which works just fine because most runs are short with the longest at 65'.

Have never seen a rebuffering for Netflix (or Amazon Prime) on the Blu-ray player, Vizo TV, iPad and Netflix Windows 8 app. On a few occasions have had rebuffering when using VUDU on the Blu-ray player.

Strange, the concept of DIAL is it strictly interacts with with the target display device and tells it to play what you selected on the mobile device. Shouldn't be a bandwidth issue. Maybe there some kind of issue with the DIAL protocol on the Vizio portion of the app. Not a single issue so far using it with the Tivo Mini. Works as advertized.

Really like it so far.
post #1018 of 1242
I agree with PS3 as the best streaming... that I have:
I have a 92" screen in the theater and started endless nights of Breaking Bad.
I usually play only blurays or cable on the 92" and netflix was relegated to a 42"/50" plasmas throughout the house and kids content.

Well, I started streaming Breaking bad on the AppleTV and looked terrible on 92", even my wife commented on it. Then I switched to the OPPO 93 thinking it would give me the best image, but it looked the same or very close to the AppleTV.

Finally fired up the PS3. I have not used the PS3 for entertainment since I replace it with the OPPO93 for BluRays/DNLA streaming. Well, I was AMAZED at the difference in Netflix video streaming.

I have gone back to the bedroom Plasma 42" and played again BB using the AppleTV and it looks ok!. Definitely the 92" is more revealing.

I am going over this forum now to see if I am correct or something is not set up well on my Oppo, AppleTV or between them and my projector (Monoprice 4x4 matrix).

Opinions welcomed.

Jorge
post #1019 of 1242
92" screen wow. You must have your own movie theater.
post #1020 of 1242
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Originally Posted by jebeltra View Post

I agree with PS3 as the best streaming... that I have:
I have a 92" screen in the theater and started endless nights of Breaking Bad.
I usually play only blurays or cable on the 92" and netflix was relegated to a 42"/50" plasmas throughout the house and kids content.

Well, I started streaming Breaking bad on the AppleTV and looked terrible on 92", even my wife commented on it. Then I switched to the OPPO 93 thinking it would give me the best image, but it looked the same or very close to the AppleTV.

Finally fired up the PS3. I have not used the PS3 for entertainment since I replace it with the OPPO93 for BluRays/DNLA streaming. Well, I was AMAZED at the difference in Netflix video streaming.

I have gone back to the bedroom Plasma 42" and played again BB using the AppleTV and it looks ok!. Definitely the 92" is more revealing.

I am going over this forum now to see if I am correct or something is not set up well on my Oppo, AppleTV or between them and my projector (Monoprice 4x4 matrix).

Opinions welcomed.

Jorge


Who is your ISP?

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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

92" screen wow. You must have your own movie theater.


Don't you mean Home theater? 92 inches, not feet. tongue.gif


Ian
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