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post #151 of 846
1/12/11 at 9:21am
I wouldn't get the 1st models out for any of the brands (I don't know why all the Panny bashing considering the problems with Samsung, etc, etc).

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post #152 of 846
1/12/11 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by CantTouchThis View Post

I was wrong by 95 cents. The correct MSRP for the 65VT25 was US$4,299.95, as can be seen in this announcement from Panasonic in April/2010.

I would like to see if the TC-P55VT30 will be roughly equal to the TC-P54VT25; SRP $2,999.95; Available week of May 3, 2010. (hopefully available earlier)

Or if the TC-P55GT30 will be roughly equal to the Panasonic Viera TC-P54G25(March/April, $1999.95)

Guestimate for the TC-P60ST30 ~ $2499

What do you guys think?
post #153 of 846
1/12/11 at 9:58am
Just did my pre-order for the 65. Cant wait for April to arrive !!!!!
post #154 of 846
1/12/11 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by ckenisell View Post

You and me both.

Me too...
post #155 of 846
1/12/11 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

The availability of these Plasmas via their website EPP has been spotty for the current VT Line.

I never saw the 65VT25 on the EPP site, was it ever available there?

R
post #156 of 846
1/12/11 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Chris_B View Post

I would like to see if the TC-P55VT30 will be roughly equal to the TC-P54VT25; SRP $2,999.95; Available week of May 3, 2010. (hopefully available earlier)

Or if the TC-P55GT30 will be roughly equal to the Panasonic Viera TC-P54G25(March/April, $1999.95)

Guestimate for the TC-P60ST30 ~ $2499

What do you guys think?

Hmmm, the P65S2 was $2,599 MSRP or $2,799 MSRP (not sure) so $2,499 might be a bit high for the 60".
post #157 of 846
1/12/11 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

That's what return policies are for. Can we have one Panasonic discussion thread not derailed by a bunch of bashing? Please?

why is it called 'bashing' when it involves Panasonic black level rise?...it's a discussion of the pros and cons of a particular set and Pany happens to have a major con which is the rising black issue...personally I would love to buy a VT30 if it was 100% guaranteed not to have rising blacks (or the blacks levels start out so low that even after it finishes rising it remains around .004)...but most likely if it rises at all (no matter how gradual) I'm going with Samsung

I want the best set for the $$, no matter who makes it...Samsung has its flaws as well but I can live with those flaws better then I can with Panasonic's (and if the rumors are correct that Samsung fixed their 24p black rise bug for their 2011 models then that is 1 major issue corrected)

I'm tired of waiting to upgrade my HDTV...my current Samsung 50" DLP is coming up on 5 years now and I want to get a plasma this year...waiting again until next year would only mean that OLED's are 1 year closer to release and I would not want to buy anything other then OLED for my next purchase
post #158 of 846
1/12/11 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

I never saw the 65VT25 on the EPP site, was it ever available there?

R

Yes, the P65VT25 appeared for sale like Brigadoon on Friday Dec 3rd and it was delisted by Monday, Dec 5th (although they apparently sold out long before that).

I had been watching the EPP site for them to go on sale since they were introduced. Although shown on the site since summer, they were never available for purchase. I finally gave up and ordered one with the Avatar bundle from a local source on Dec 3rd. I was on the EPP site the morning of the 5th to look at the owner’s manual and they still weren’t for sale. That afternoon I logged on again and the entire VT25 line was for sale with the Avatar bundle at fantastic prices (better than now). I immediately ordered a P65VT25, then canceled my other order. The next week I received a voice mail from Panasonic saying that they had oversold the model and they had to cancel my order as they would not be getting any more in the foreseeable future. I was bummed out but half-expected it since it all seemed too good to be true. Then, a few hours later the same person called back and said I had actually gotten one of the last ones in stock and that it was being shipped after all! I’ve since received the TV (Nov 2010 build) with all the extras and it’s great. Even though they were for sale on the website through Sunday, I’m sure anyone who ordered after Friday was shut out. For once I got lucky.
post #159 of 846
1/12/11 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by RicheyPoor View Post

I immediately ordered a P65VT25, For once I got lucky.

you would had been even more lucky if they where sold out and you ended up getting the VT30. but I am sure you got it at a great price.
post #160 of 846
1/12/11 at 12:11pm
Just placed my preorder for the 65" VT30. I'm not normally an early adopter but I'm upgrading from a big honkin' Toshiba 65HX81 so even if the MLL rises like the sun I'll still have a better set!
post #161 of 846
1/12/11 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

you would had been even more lucky if they where sold out and you ended up getting the VT30. but I am sure you got it at a great price.

By this logic those who did nothing are perpetually lucky
post #162 of 846
1/12/11 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Jonesky View Post

I haven't seen any noise about such a size. Sadly. Oh well, it's early in the year yet. That's the size I'd like.

And I guess all that Kuro tech has been put away in a giant warehouse kind of like the ending scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"

I guess one could assume Pan has been consistent...they seemingly have been plodding along developing their pdp's at a similar rate for as long as I've had my 58/600U. Conservatively and I wouldn't be surprised if the guru's here can project when they will hit 0 mll if they extrapolate this pace out. Oh well, my old 58 is still a nice bit of kit.

That's some funny ****!

According to Panasonic they haven't bought any Kuro tech yet see what I got from one of their old Japanse press conferences.

post #163 of 846
1/12/11 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

By this logic those who did nothing are perpetually lucky

yes...... with the rising black factor being fixed or significantly reduced for 2011... not buying a 2010 Panasonic Plasma and waiting for 2011 will be to there advantage.
post #164 of 846
1/12/11 at 1:00pm
We don't know that yet. There's always a trade off between current utility and delayed consumption.

Those waiting for panny kuro will be the luckiest.
post #165 of 846
1/12/11 at 1:18pm
I don't know how Panasonic manage their stock, 65VT25 just show up from june for few month and keep showing tight supply.

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Originally Posted by RicheyPoor View Post

Yes, the P65VT25 appeared for sale like Brigadoon on Friday Dec 3rd and it was delisted by Monday, Dec 5th (although they apparently sold out long before that).

I had been watching the EPP site for them to go on sale since they were introduced. Although shown on the site since summer, they were never available for purchase. I finally gave up and ordered one with the Avatar bundle from a local source on Dec 3rd. I was on the EPP site the morning of the 5th to look at the owner's manual and they still weren't for sale. That afternoon I logged on again and the entire VT25 line was for sale with the Avatar bundle at fantastic prices (better than now). I immediately ordered a P65VT25, then canceled my other order. The next week I received a voice mail from Panasonic saying that they had oversold the model and they had to cancel my order as they would not be getting any more in the foreseeable future. I was bummed out but half-expected it since it all seemed too good to be true. Then, a few hours later the same person called back and said I had actually gotten one of the last ones in stock and that it was being shipped after all! I've since received the TV (Nov 2010 build) with all the extras and it's great. Even though they were for sale on the website through Sunday, I'm sure anyone who ordered after Friday was shut out. For once I got lucky.
post #166 of 846
1/12/11 at 1:30pm
i hope the 55 inch vt-30 is under 2500 dollars. if not then i will look at the gt-30
and the samsung
post #167 of 846
1/12/11 at 1:42pm
I imagine, for what it's worth, that a size in between the 65 and the 85 is something being considered for the future, keep in mind that it's pretty far distant. Panasonic has a glass sheet from which they can cut the 85 with minimal waste and obviously that product has come down sufficiently in price that one can imagine it ultimately making it down to $10,000 or so. A future 70 or 75-inch model would be a function of either a new line in a fab or some rethinking of existing motherglass cuts to accommodate a change to something larger. The earliest you'd see something would probably be in 15-18 months from now (perhaps they'll respond to Sharp).
post #168 of 846
1/12/11 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by $$Buck-Naked$$ View Post

That's some funny ****!

According to Panasonic they haven't bought any Kuro tech yet see what I got from one of their old Japanse press conferences.


Looks like the NeoPDPeco trademark has been abandoned.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...007:2h1ms6.3.1

Neo Plasma and NeoPDP are still alive though.

Not sure what is going on at Panasonic but I do have some strong speculation that KURO and NeoPDP don't like each other all that much.
post #169 of 846
1/12/11 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by Chris_B View Post

I would like to see if the TC-P55VT30 will be roughly equal to the TC-P54VT25; SRP $2,999.95; Available week of May 3, 2010. (hopefully available earlier)

Or if the TC-P55GT30 will be roughly equal to the Panasonic Viera TC-P54G25(March/April, $1999.95)

Guestimate for the TC-P60ST30 ~ $2499

What do you guys think?

'10 Release dates based on first AVS (or otherwise) owners:
VT25 - 25 May
G25 - 3 March

For '11, we've already have been told, 'end of April' for VT30; we'll see if that holds true. ~1 mo. earlier than last year is nice, but I had been hoping, (and still have a little hope), that it'll be even earlier; we'll see.
post #170 of 846
1/12/11 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by xrox View Post

Looks like the NeoPDPeco trademark has been abandoned.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...007:2h1ms6.3.1

Neo Plasma and NeoPDP are still alive though.

Not sure what is going on at Panasonic but I do have some strong speculation that KURO and NeoPDP don't like each other all that much.

Care to speculate on any patents that these new sets might introduce? Panasonic has been particularly tight lipped about this, and what confuses me is that they (to some degree) appeared to have changed their fab, so why not introduce some new tech with this series TV?
post #171 of 846
1/12/11 at 5:39pm
The fairytale story has resulted in anything but? ;-)
post #172 of 846
1/13/11 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Care to speculate on any patents that these new sets might introduce? Panasonic has been particularly tight lipped about this, and what confuses me is that they (to some degree) appeared to have changed their fab, so why not introduce some new tech with this series TV?

Several of the recent patent applications by Panasonic are focusing on CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE. Combine this information with a 2010 journal by Panasonic describing "black crystal layer" and I would speculate that both the 2010 and 2011 models contain CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE.

However, the NeoPDP technology (e.g - high Xe gas, narrow electrodes, fine particle phosphor, hybrid discharge....etc) and how it interacts with MgO (CEL or evaporated film) seems to be of some issue and may be limiting performance.

I would speculate this is why Panasonic has described 3 novel research topics in SID journals as follows
  • Carbon nanotube on phosphor
  • Seperate initialization cell
  • Replacement of MgO with SrZrO or other
post #173 of 846
1/13/11 at 6:30am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by xrox View Post

Several of the recent patent applications by Panasonic are focusing on CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE. Combine this information with a 2010 journal by Panasonic describing "black crystal layer" and I would speculate that both the 2010 and 2011 models contain CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE.

However, the NeoPDP technology (e.g - high Xe gas, narrow electrodes, fine particle phosphor, hybrid discharge....etc) and how it interacts with MgO (CEL or evaporated film) seems to be of some issue and may be limiting performance.

I would speculate this is why Panasonic has described 3 novel research topics in SID journals as follows
  • Carbon nano-tube on phosphor
  • Seperate initialization cell
  • SrO replacement of MgO

Thank you for that summary, that is quite helpful. It would appear we are looking at a wait of at least another year before we see real changes in how Panasonic handles things on the VT series.
post #174 of 846
1/13/11 at 6:39am
For those who pre-ordered, can you post a link to where you ordered from?
Thx
post #175 of 846
1/13/11 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by xrox View Post

Several of the recent patent applications by Panasonic are focusing on CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE. Combine this information with a 2010 journal by Panasonic describing "black crystal layer" and I would speculate that both the 2010 and 2011 models contain CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE.

VX200 and 2011 displays.


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Carbon nanotube on phosphor

Almost positive it will never be commericalized due to costs.



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Seperate initialization cell

Probable



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Replacement of MgO with SrZrO or other

Probable
post #176 of 846
1/13/11 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by xrox View Post

Several of the recent patent applications by Panasonic are focusing on CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE. Combine this information with a 2010 journal by Panasonic describing "black crystal layer" and I would speculate that both the 2010 and 2011 models contain CEL(top) + REAL BLACK DRIVE.

However, the NeoPDP technology (e.g - high Xe gas, narrow electrodes, fine particle phosphor, hybrid discharge....etc) and how it interacts with MgO (CEL or evaporated film) seems to be of some issue and may be limiting performance.

I would speculate this is why Panasonic has described 3 novel research topics in SID journals as follows
  • Carbon nanotube on phosphor
  • Seperate initialization cell
  • Replacement of MgO with SrZrO or other

xrox, I want you to know how much many of us appreciate your taking this knowledge and putting it into a easy to understand post. PM me your address and Ill send you a bottle of 18yr old Scotch!
post #177 of 846
1/13/11 at 7:00am
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For those who pre-ordered, can you post a link to where you ordered from?
Thx

Google value electronics
post #178 of 846
1/13/11 at 7:28am
While not exactly on topic here, has anyone heard any news of VX200's being released in smaller than 85" sizes?
post #179 of 846
1/13/11 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Influence View Post

While not exactly on topic here, has anyone heard any news of VX200's being released in smaller than 85" sizes?

What a fine question that is!
A 75VX200 would be sweet!

- Rich
post #180 of 846
1/13/11 at 8:03am
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I have room for a 70" or 75" but my wife might get annoyed since such a screen would probably have a $10K or higher price tag.

I think at this point I am going to pre-order the 65" from a local retailer/buddy and see for myself how it looks. I usually get cost + 10% so I can take the money saved from getting a bigger set and put it in the bank for that day 10 yrs down the road when OLED screens are available in 70+ inch sizes.

I'm trying to recall who my local top notch calibrator is who lives in the Denver area. He and I discussed calibration when I was going to get the 65VT25, but we both agreed maybe holding off one more product cycle would not be such a bad thing.

I have my own meter and know how to calibrate a set, but with a set of this magnitude I will probably spring for professional calibration, I will probably learn something about CalMan, etc, in the process (for my own use I just use a $300 meter and the free ColorHCFR software).
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