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post #31 of 846
1/5/11 at 8:22pm
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What would you like us to do? If the TV is fixed and bests the competition, I will buy it regardless.

Yes, I agree, if the set has the chops, who cares if it says Panasonic on it?

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post #32 of 846
1/5/11 at 9:20pm
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Thanks from the 2011 thread, here's the first video of the VT30

post #33 of 846
1/5/11 at 9:40pm
Really sucks that there's no 50" or 58" VT...50" is an extremely popular size for the VT25. they'll be losing a lot of customers wanting buy a flagship TV in a smaller size.
post #34 of 846
1/5/11 at 9:45pm
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My personal suspicion is that they still have VT25 in good supply in those sizes and will conveniently announce those sizes after supply thins out in the coming months.
post #35 of 846
1/5/11 at 11:21pm
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Really sucks that there's no 50" or 58" VT...50" is an extremely popular size for the VT25. they'll be losing a lot of customers wanting buy a flagship TV in a smaller size.

Yea, surprising. My first thoughts are that they were expecting market resistance to a 50" PDP at the price point they wanted to peddle, difficulty maintaining a "value" balance with the other sizes, or high end price wars with Samsung/LG. Then again, the lack of the 60"er is even odder, so perhaps the technology is different enough that it requires a new manufacture process, forcing them to focus on the 2 most profitable sizes.
post #36 of 846
1/6/11 at 1:35am
I have a 50" plasma and it's good for a bedroom... but for a living room with a normal viewing distance of 10'.... the 50 incher looks small. I am sure the extra 5 inches will help.

not having a 60 incher is much more significant!
post #37 of 846
1/6/11 at 6:35am
I agree. For most of us, an average viewing distance in a "family room" type environment is 8'-12'. A 50" in the circumstance may be too small. I am thinking a 55" might be a bit small. 58 or 60, IMO, appears to be a great size for this situation. Now, panny is making us consider a 65" which may be technically appropriate for THX, but will be somewaht overwhelming in a family room viewing situation.

In my situation, I sit 10' from the screen. My current 53" RPTV seems a bit small. I was all ready to go to the 58". Now I am forced to go up slightly to the 55" or go big to the 65. Or....get the 59" Sammy.

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I have a 50" plasma and it's good for a bedroom... but for a living room with a normal viewing distance of 10'.... the 50 incher looks small. I am sure the extra 5 inches will help.

not having a 60 incher is much more significant!
post #38 of 846
1/6/11 at 6:44am
I don't think the 60 or 65 will bother you a bit, as a matter of fact, I think that once you have it for a while you will ask your self How you ever watched the smaller version.
post #39 of 846
1/6/11 at 6:51am
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We sit 12' away from our current 60" and thought initially that the size was overwhelming. Six months later we realize we could put in a notably larger TV.

The 65" looks like a good fit, I would have been ready to go to a 70" if they were released this year.
post #40 of 846
1/6/11 at 7:37am
I remember when I got my 53", I sat 7 feet away and thought it was way too close. 65" from 10' seems big, but as you say, it may be a good fit.

So, my choices, as I see it:

Panny 65"
Sammy 59-inch or 64-inch

Although I am not a Panny fanboy, I have had good experiences with Panny HDTV's in the past (not Plasma, though). I guess I will wait to see some reports coming out. Although, ironically, my wife is urging me to hurry up and make a decision as she bought new furniture for the room and wants it set up asap. Very strange when the wife is prodding me to hurry up an buy AV equip....



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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

I don't think the 60 or 65 will bother you a bit, as a matter of fact, I think that once you have it for a while you will ask your self How you ever watched the smaller version.

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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

We sit 12' away from our current 60" and thought initially that the size was overwhelming. Six months later we realize we could put in a notably larger TV.

The 65" looks like a good fit, I would have been ready to go to a 70" if they were released this year.
post #41 of 846
1/6/11 at 7:59am
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CNET blurb on VT30;
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-200...eed&subj=Crave

They note that this set is definitely positioned to win best in show status again, like the VT25 did in 2010.
post #42 of 846
1/6/11 at 7:59am
I am seriously considering buying a 65" VT30 or 63" D8000 Samsung this year. However, there is no way I will buy a Panasonic until I get confirmation the rising and floating black problem is solved. If it's solved, that would be great because I think Panasonic probably has better overall quality control than Samsung and I'll take the extra two inches of real estate. I'm currently at 60" with my SXRD and five additional inches would really add to the size and scope of the image as I sit about eight or nine feet from the screen.

Edit: I see the Samsung will be a 64" so that makes it very close now, hmmm.
post #43 of 846
1/6/11 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I am seriously considering buying a 65" VT30 or 63" D8000 Samsung this year. However, there is no way I will buy a Panasonic until I get confirmation the rising and floating black problem is solved. If it's solved, that would be great because I think Panasonic probably has better overall quality control than Samsung and I'll take the extra two inches of real estate. I'm currently at 60" with my SXRD and five additional inches would really add to the size and scope of the image as I sit about eight or nine feet from the screen.

It will take months and months of testing to prove if black rise still happens, so basically you are probably waiting for a fall 2011 purchase if that's your criteria.

I'm pretty confident that even if the problem is not cured it is yet again reduced in impact.
post #44 of 846
1/6/11 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

It will take months and months of testing to prove if black rise still happens, so basically you are probably waiting for a fall 2011 purchase if that's your criteria.

I'm pretty confident that even if the problem is not cured it is yet again reduced in impact.

Well, I'm not going to roll the dice on a $4,000 display until I know even if I have to wait.

However, it didn't take until the fall to know the VT25 still had the problem. Given the awareness of the issue now, I expect the problem to be known even sooner as these some of these displays will be running almost constantly from Day 1 to verify by reputable sources.

I wouldn't give into your enthusiam so quick just because you want to buy something so soon.
post #45 of 846
1/6/11 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

It didn't take until the fall to know the VT25 still had the problem. Given the awareness of the issue now, I expect the problem to be known even sooner as these some of these displays will be running almost constantly from Day 1.

It was in May/June that an insider reported that the black level rise was not fixed but that it would be reduced greatly in impact starting in sets manufactured in late May early June.

Then at the shootout we were told "not to worry" about rising blacks on the VT25 because by the time it impacted you then you would have moved on to a new top of the line panel.

Then, CNET around Sept/Oct right after the shootout that CNET published information on their longterm test panel and demonstrated that the MLL had doubled after 1500 or so hours of use.

At least that's my recollection.

Bottom line, even if insiders leak info, there's no way to know for certain until the sets accumulate hours.

Let's say that the black level rise is still there but it's been stretched out to 5,000 hours for the first bump? That means that in normal operation you would not see it for 3-4 yrs... and if no one at Panasonic discusses it, and no insider reports it, there's simply no way to know.
post #46 of 846
1/6/11 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

It was in May/June that an insider reported that the black level rise was not fixed but that it would be reduced greatly in impact starting in sets manufactured in late May early June.

Then at the shootout we were told "not to worry" about rising blacks on the VT25 because by the time it impacted you then you would have moved on to a new top of the line panel.

Then, CNET around Sept/Oct right after the shootout that CNET published information on their longterm test panel and demonstrated that the MLL had doubled after 1500 or so hours of use.

At least that's my recollection.

Bottom line, even if insiders leak info, there's no way to know for certain until the sets accumulate hours.

Let's say that the black level rise is still there but it's been stretched out to 5,000 hours for the first bump? That means that in normal operation you would not see it for 3-4 yrs... and if no one at Panasonic discusses it, and no insider reports it, there's simply no way to know.

Well, if anything, I'm sure we'll get some sort of inside verification about it. Maybe DNice will decide to share something at some point or someone else.

My sheer guess is, it will still be there but reduced and not happen as soon.
post #47 of 846
1/6/11 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Well, if anything, I'm sure we'll get some sort of inside verification about it. Maybe DNice will decide to share something at some point or someone else.

My sheer guess is, it will still be there but reduced and not happen as soon.

The last hint seemed to be that it would be fixed in "some" models. However I think we will need real verification through testing, not leaked info about it.

If they even just minimize it to the point of irrelevance then it won't matter to most buyers.
post #48 of 846
1/6/11 at 9:01am
As far as size goes, the biggest regret people have is not buying the largest panel they can afford and that fits their viewing room.

So, before you write-off the 65 inch model(s), remember that after about 2-3 weeks, what looked gigantic at first, will look none too big.
post #49 of 846
1/6/11 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

As far as size goes, the biggest regret people have is not buying the largest panel they can afford and that fits their viewing room.

So, before you write-off the 65 inch model(s), remember that after about 2-3 weeks, what looked gigantic at first, will look none too big.

Yes, I can relate.

When I bought my 60" A3000 SXRD in the fall of 2007, I was strongly considering a 72" Samsung DLP. The SXRD argulably had better PQ, so I went with it. However, over time, I began wanting something larger as my previous display was a 57" CRT RPTV.
post #50 of 846
1/6/11 at 9:08am
Why can't they make a thin black bezel? I really dislike that silver shiny strip on the outer edge, are you kidding me panny?
post #51 of 846
1/6/11 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

Why can't they make a thin black bezel? I really dislike that silver shiny strip on the outer edge, are you kidding me panny?

Looks like a dust magnet as well. I definitely prefer the 2010 look.
post #52 of 846
1/6/11 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by neoshredder27 View Post

Looks like a dust magnet as well. I definitely prefer the 2010 look.

Why would it gather more dust than the other?
post #53 of 846
1/6/11 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Why would it gather more dust than the other?

Did you see the video? I can already see smudges on it. The material looks more like the material pianos have. Definitely a change from the way it was made in 2010 which seemed to not gather much dust.
post #54 of 846
1/6/11 at 9:25am
The damn thing is shiny. Ridiculous, what does one have to do, put black tape over it? At least it is better than the horrible silver bezel and claws feet of the sammy flagship D8000.
post #55 of 846
1/6/11 at 10:42am
Has anyone seen any information on the dimensions (H x W x D) of the new units?

I have been seriously looking at the TC-P54VT25 (due to width constraints) and decided to defer my purchase until after CES.

From the pictures, the bezel looks smaller on the VT30 than on the VT25 series.

Is this just my imagination? I am hoping I can fit the new 55".
post #56 of 846
1/6/11 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by neoshredder27 View Post

Did you see the video? I can already see smudges on it. The material looks more like the material pianos have. Definitely a change from the way it was made in 2010 which seemed to not gather much dust.

I don't think that CES is a good way to evaluate such things. Thousands of peoples pawing a product are going to leave fingerprints regardless of the finish.
post #57 of 846
1/6/11 at 11:10am
"Wi-Fi ready with included LAN (through USB port)"

WTF? Oh, lets not throw a standard gige NIC port on the back. We'll make them buy a ridiculously priced USB/rj45 network dongle if they want hardwired.
post #58 of 846
1/6/11 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

As far as size goes, the biggest regret people have is not buying the largest panel they can afford and that fits their viewing room.

So, before you write-off the 65 inch model(s), remember that after about 2-3 weeks, what looked gigantic at first, will look none too big.

I couldn't agree more. TVs appear to shrink over time, especially over the first few months of usage, if we are upgrading from a much smaller size.

And then you realize that hi-def content and 3D are much better if viewed immersively (that is, closer or with a larger screen).

But I guess most people don't believe that and have to go through that experience themselves to understand it.
post #59 of 846
1/6/11 at 12:23pm
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"Wi-Fi ready with included LAN (through USB port)"

WTF? Oh, lets not throw a standard gige NIC port on the back. We'll make them buy a ridiculously priced USB/rj45 network dongle if they want hardwired.

Gotta say I agree with Panasonic on this one. I'll bet most of their customers won't want hard-wired lan so why add the expense of another port.

Note: I also think having 20 HDMI ports is unnecessary.
post #60 of 846
1/6/11 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Marnok View Post

"Wi-Fi ready with included LAN (through USB port)"

WTF? Oh, lets not throw a standard gige NIC port on the back. We'll make them buy a ridiculously priced USB/rj45 network dongle if they want hardwired.

I agree completely. However, I am hoping this only applies to Wi-Fi, such as they have now on the their BD players (don't know about the TV's), and the RJ45 is still there if you want a network cable.
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