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post #211 of 1173
3/4/11 at 12:44am
Yeah, the way it works is this:

In 3D mode it gets nasty as well as in "App mode" or whenever I switch to that internet feature (i forget what it is called).

Also, whenever I use a harddrive or lan connection (DNLA i think it's called) it gets that nasty leakage as well.

In 2D mode, local dimming enabled (i guess, there was no feature to turn it on or off) there was no leakage EXCEPT a small amount in the lower right corner. That was where the problem was the worst in all scenarios.

However, it was that bad (in 3D mode and DNLA) that it destroyed the experience. If I saw that in the brightly lit store I would have NEVER bought it.

Some of you might not like the banding issues either.

Ah...that brings a question to mind. Is there any banding issues on edge lit led lcd televisions? I used to see vertical banding on my old sony W4100 but it never bothered me. It's pretty obvious on the LEX8 (H and V), but once again i could live with that.
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post #212 of 1173
3/4/11 at 3:51am
[quote=Tapioca Cold;20095194] I wanted to replace it with the LW7700 (mat screen),

Anyone know if the LW6500 has a matte screen? I'm trying to decide between the LW6500 and the Vizio XVT3D556SP. They seem to have similar features. But Vizio has no release dates and I've waited long enough. A matte screen for the LG would just about close the deal for me. I have a very bright room.
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post #213 of 1173
3/4/11 at 4:01am
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Originally Posted by Thompsonbrook View Post

Anyone know if the LW6500 has a matte screen? I'm trying to decide between the LW6500 and the Vizio XVT3D556SP. They seem to have similar features. But Vizio has no release dates and I've waited long enough. A matte screen for the LG would just about close the deal for me. I have a very bright room.

55LHX's and their matte screens are still out there if you look around. I just bought one last night from QVC at a great price relative to where the new nanos (7700, 9500) will be. They say it's shipping directly from LG (who officially list it as "discontinued" on their web site) so their original stock has apparently not yet been completely depleted.
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post #214 of 1173
3/4/11 at 4:42am
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Originally Posted by Tapioca Cold View Post

Yeah, Nony, I've seen it. Actually it looks nice However, it just got that seriously reflective glass on the front. I have a sun lit room and it would just not suffice. Like I said the 2D picture quality of the LEX8 is great. Inky, inky blacks (minus a bit of leakage in 2d). I wanted to replace it with the LW7700 (mat screen), and although the store guy said it was in his system, he was not sure of the release. I'm thinking in the next week or two here.

I've also seen the new Samsung UND8000. It's nice. Lots of apps.

However, I received my LG 55 LW5700 this morning. Like I said, I got it for the same price as the 47 LEX8. I got a bright room and it works much better with the mat screen. And although the 3D mode is half resolution, i look at it this way:

The ghosting effect on the LEX8 was atrocious. Also, 3D games aren't 1080p anyways and since there is no ghosting (at all) and the image is absolutely flicker free, the LW5700 ends up looking better in the end. Plus the glasses are 10 bucks for two, look great, don't need to be charged, won't malfunction or lose sync, and don't weigh a thing.

Gonna have a look at 2D picture quality tonight. I'm sure I'll see some flashlighting, but in my opinion, I think I made the right choice.

If you guys need any info on sets over here I'll try to give a hand.

Since your new model is the US equivalent of the 5600, and you're a gamer, I'd love to know what kind of input lag there is.
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post #215 of 1173
3/4/11 at 5:11am
Well, here is the verdict...

The LW5700 (240 hz) here in Korea has absolutely terrible black levels. I honestly gagged when I put in Dark Knight. OUCH!! What black? Flashlighting like I've never seen.

I will keep this set as it is a good price for the size and ease of use for 3D gaming.

It's bad.

Don't know how to run input lag tests. Sorry.

The TV to get this year is the LW7700! Good luck everyone.

Bye
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post #216 of 1173
3/4/11 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by nony View Post

There's no AR treatment of the front polarizer or front glass on our domestic LX9500's/LE8500's?

-nony

no there is not. It's like watching a mirror while watching tv. Any sort of ambient light and you can see absolutely everything in the tv. It's very annoying and don't want to have the same problems with the lw9500 that I do with the lx9500.
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post #217 of 1173
3/4/11 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by airplaneman777 View Post

no there is not. It's like watching a mirror while watching tv. Any sort of ambient light and you can see absolutely everything in the tv. It's very annoying and don't want to have the same problems with the lw9500 that I do with the lx9500.

No there is not, or there may be, but it is not effective?

See the external pics for the 55LW9500 here -https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=561207&fcc_id='BEJ55LW9500UA'


-nony
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post #218 of 1173
3/4/11 at 5:59am
Hi there, been reading this forum with great interest for weeks now and decided to join up! My baby/beast 7 year old Sony KV-40XBR800 recently died and I have decided to upgrade to a larger 3D capable flat screen. I am a single dad with an 11 yr old son and we both are heavy into 3D movies and gaming. I have always been a Sony fan, but after seeing the new LG lineup, I'm VERY interested in the 60lw9500. I have a very light controlled room so reflection is not a major concern for me and I'm looking at this as a long term investment so price is not the issue as much as picture quality. My second choice is the Sony XBR-55HX929 so I'm interested in any thoughts on how they may compare?
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post #219 of 1173
3/4/11 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by Tapioca Cold View Post

Well, here is the verdict...

The LW5700 (240 hz) here in Korea has absolutely terrible black levels. I honestly gagged when I put in Dark Knight. OUCH!! What black? Flashlighting like I've never seen.

I will keep this set as it is a good price for the size and ease of use for 3D gaming.

It's bad.

Don't know how to run input lag tests. Sorry.

The TV to get this year is the LW7700! Good luck everyone.

Bye

That sucks Tapioca, two bad experiences in a row! I sure hope you are right about the LW7700! I was planning on getting one when they come out, but if LG is having these issues with their other sets, why should we expect anything different from the LW7700?
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post #220 of 1173
3/4/11 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It can't be fixed. All those super thin sets have that problem.

Why is there such a quest for thinner TVs / thinner bezel if this affect the picture quality? I can't imagine consumers are more interested in thinner TV then in seeing a proper picture with no flashlighting / leakage
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post #221 of 1173
3/4/11 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by nony View Post

For the most part, we don't know too much beyond the press release -

http://www.lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/c...post_index=813 which is consistent with your reference.

-nony

Thanks for the link, nony. There's got to be more that they're not mentioning - it makes no sense that the only diff between them is the 240Hz vs. 480Hz Trumotion. I guess we'll have to wait until they put out the full specs.

Actually, didn't somebody mention the LW7700 being chunkier than the LW9500? However, it still means they're shoving the cost of 3D down your throad if you want the best 2D PQ, which sucks, as I currently have no interest in 3D.

The link you provided for the pics also has the link to the LW9500 manual. Wonder if we can get it for the LW7700 too.

Edit: OK, it's the same manual .
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post #222 of 1173
3/4/11 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by nick_083 View Post

Why is there such a quest for thinner TVs / thinner bezel if this affect the picture quality? I can't imagine consumers are more interested in thinner TV then in seeing a proper picture with no flashlighting / leakage

You need to take Marketing 101 ... unfortunately not all (probably most) consumers are as familiar with these problems as we are.
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post #223 of 1173
3/4/11 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by nick_083 View Post

Why is there such a quest for thinner TVs / thinner bezel if this affect the picture quality? I can't imagine consumers are more interested in thinner TV then in seeing a proper picture with no flashlighting / leakage

You mean the same consumers who insist on installing TVs above fireplaces?
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post #224 of 1173
3/4/11 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by D4m4ged View Post

LG 32LK450 MSRP of 499.99

I've been looking at the 32LD450....I wonder if this new model is going to replace the LD450. I would assume so, as they have just about the same specs.
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post #225 of 1173
3/4/11 at 1:10pm
Hey, everyone. Haven't been around in a couple of years, but I found this thread after I came to a bad realization today (more about that below).

I'm finishing my basement and moving my current 47" LG downstairs, and I'm looking at a 55" to replace it in the family room (which has four big windows).

I'm intrigued by the 55LW5500, 55LW5600 or 55LW6500. I'm not huge on 3D, but the cheap, light glasses sound interesting. My biggest problem is that I need a matte screen due to the windows in the room.

Does anyone know if these models have matte or glossy screens? I'm hoping at least the LW5500 does, but everywhere I look the 3D TVs seem to have glossy screens.

I had picked out a 55" Sony with a matte screen, but it's currently being replaced by a glossy screen model - so it's no longer an option.

Any help is appreciated, thanks in advance!
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post #226 of 1173
3/4/11 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by nony View Post
To what extent is light leakage apparent when it is masked with local dimming enabled? If you meant that as a general question I will take a shot.

If your question was directed to Tapioca Cold (which in retrospect, I believe it was) specific to his 47LEX8, I will remain silent.

If your question was meant to be a statement that one shouldn't see the back light leaking in the letterbox bars with local dimming enabled, then I agree. In some viewing applications it may be irrelevant. (My set is 55LHX and I do have backlight bleed (lower corners), which I can't perceive with LD enabled.)

-nony
It was directed at tapioca cold, but regardless I don't understand how his set doesn't have a function to enable or disable local dimming. In that screen shot of his LEX8, there's flashlighting in every corner. They might be working out some kinks to this panel.

It's just that I've never seen a local dimming panel do that- nor is it possible if the light is shut off- which it would be for a letterboxed bar.

Anyway, it's also the way they use all these zones, and that can be changed with firmware, but I was hoping that banding would be solved and halos would be minimized with this new set. Cnet will have their hands on a model for review possibly in the next two months, so I'll wait until then.

I do think the LW7700 will be the set to get if only because of the matte screen. That was my set for the year, or an ST30 plasma, since that is supposed to be similar to last year's VT25, but the LW7700 should beat them both on blacks and give the Kuro a run for it's money- maybe.
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post #227 of 1173
3/5/11 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by Tapioca Cold View Post

For everyone on here thinking the LEX8 is the next best thing since sliced bread...

It has a design flaw. The bezel is so slim that in 3D mode it has massive edge light leakage problems.

In 2D the picture is excellent but does have horizontal and vertical banding issues. I'm not picky like most of the others on here either, so some might find the picture worse than I did. There is blooming.

In 3D mode it's so bad that it is unwatchable. Here are some pics. One is from my first set. It was worse on the first set, but the second set still had the issue.

As you can see the bottom of the screen is terrible. The LG tech guy comes over (I live in Korea) and says that it happens with LEX8's (because the slim bezel) and can't be fixed. In order to return something in Korea (you guys are lucky back home. You have 30 days no questions asked. Here...well listen) there has to be a "problem" with the set. The LG tech guy comes to visit and then he will report to the company that the set is defective and then they will return it. However, he says that there is no problem and that i can't return it. He says it's normal (yeah, welcome to Korea). It's common here sometimes to have people try to pull the wool over you eyes. I complained to the store I bought it from and they decided to exchange it for me (reluctantly).

I'm getting the Passive 55LW5700 today. It looks amazing in 3D, plus larger size for the same price. However I am sacrificing picture quality. I like the fact that there was no flashlighting (in 2D) on the LEX8. I'm sure it will be present on the 5700. I believe the 5700 is the Korean model and it is 240hz.

The LEX8 is the sexiest TV I have ever seen, but in 3D (plus the ghosting is terrible as well and the glasses are uncomfortable and terrible too) it's truely awful. Also, in 2D there was still som faint light leakage problems in the corners of the screen. Once again i believe the slim bezel causes this.

Hope this helps.

So much to more say but I hate typing and this took me an hour.

Oh my god!!! This pictures are terrible. No black level and flashlights in the corners. Cruel.

Greetz from germany
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post #228 of 1173
3/5/11 at 10:47am
Thread Starter 
wow looks like the lex8 is shooting a bat signal into the air from those 2 bottom flashlight corners.

I hope 2011 sets don't have any of this bs
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post #229 of 1173
3/5/11 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by nony View Post

So the 47LEX8 has a matte screen, and even if the backlight bleed is [largely?] masked when local dimming is enabled, in PC mode/game mode local dimming is disabled and the bleed is painfully obvious.
Am I getting that part right?

These things show up whenever the LD is switched off, including 3D mode too.

All this is supposed to be the much trumpeted NANO technology??? Supposedly eliminating all backlight problems, especially banding and flashlights, offering superb uniformity???
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post #230 of 1173
3/5/11 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by nony View Post

No there is not, or there may be, but it is not effective?

See the external pics for the 55LW9500 here -https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=561207&fcc_id='BEJ55LW9500UA'


-nony

So with the picture of the tv on page 2 of the photos, it looks to me like there is not an effective anti reflection screen on the lw9500. Is that what you guys see?

I have a bright room, and I have the lx9500, but the reflection and glare is way to much while watching during the day or dark scenes. I don't know if this is supposed to be any better.....has anyone heard or seen anything different?
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post #231 of 1173
3/5/11 at 2:51pm
I went to CES 2011 and saw the LG 55LW9500 in person, the screen looked glossy. I complained to the rep that these mirrors Samsung and Sony are putting out are really annoying, although they look great in showrooms. He told me there would be some sort of anti-glare coating put on the LG xxLW9500 series when it comes out, does anyone have a definitive answer about this? All of the new models coming out this year by most of the manufacturers (including the Sony XBR-xxHX929 and Samsung UNxxD8000 series) have these horrible mirror glossy screens, it's a shame.
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post #232 of 1173
3/5/11 at 3:10pm
7700 is matte. I really want to know when we'll find that one on the street and for how much.
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post #233 of 1173
3/5/11 at 3:35pm
I had heard the 65LW6500 is matte, if it is not. I am going out and buying the 65 inch Vizio today. It is the main reason I am waiting. The second reason is the 2D to 3D conversion. Reportedly the conversion is awesome for games.
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post #234 of 1173
3/5/11 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by ChristianZane View Post
I went to CES 2011 and saw the LG 55LW9500 in person, the screen looked glossy. I complained to the rep that these mirrors Samsung and Sony are putting out are really annoying, although they look great in showrooms. He told me there would be some sort of anti-glare coating put on the LG xxLW9500 series when it comes out, does anyone have a definitive answer about this? All of the new models coming out this year by most of the manufacturers (including the Sony XBR-xxHX929 and Samsung UNxxD8000 series) have these horrible mirror glossy screens, it's a shame.
I'm returning my lx9500 just because of the glare and reflection. Those pictures that I saw on that website, didn't really show that the anti reflection screen helped, if it had the anti reflection screen on at that time.

I really like the features and the quality of lg, but all of that doesn't matter if I can't see the screen because of the reflection and glare.
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post #235 of 1173
3/5/11 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by LucidLight View Post
I had heard the 65LW6500 is matte, if it is not. I am going out and buying the 65 inch Vizio today. It is the main reason I am waiting. The second reason is the 2D to 3D conversion. Reportedly the conversion is awesome for games.
The 65" Vizio has a glossy screen and handles glare maybe slightly better than the LG but nothing ground breaking.
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post #236 of 1173
3/5/11 at 4:16pm
Just to get my 3 posts
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post #237 of 1173
3/5/11 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by nony View Post
For the most part, we don't know too much beyond the press release -

http://www.lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/c...post_index=813 which is consistent with your reference.

-nony
Flatpanelshd.com did a lg 2011 tv line-up with the full specs.

In that line-up the differences between the 9500 and the 7700 is mentioned.

I added the figure wich has the features in it.
LL
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post #238 of 1173
3/5/11 at 4:31pm
7700 doesn't have that razor thin bezel tho

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7700 is matte. I really want to know when we'll find that one on the street and for how much.
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post #239 of 1173
3/7/11 at 3:09am
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Originally Posted by ChristianZane View Post

7700 doesn't have that razor thin bezel tho

FCC photos for the LW9500 series -

47LW9500
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...;BEJ47LW9500UA'

55LW9500
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...;BEJ55LW9500UA'

60LW9500
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...;BEJ60LW9500UA'


FCC photos for the LW7700 series -

47LW7700
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...;BEJ47LW7700UA'

55LW7700
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...;BEJ55LW7700UA' (pics available after 3/28/2011)

Dimensions are available in the Test Reports

-nony
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post #240 of 1173
3/7/11 at 5:04am
I live in Seoul like Tapioca Cold and I got a hot news on LG's LW9500 series.

LW9500 series will be end of sales in this month and new LW9600 will be out soon. One local online news reported that LW9600 will have 2D->3D feature plus non-glare screen.

Another rumor is LW9500 has some PQ problems reported by the users and LG decided to discontinue them. But LG gives no comments for that.
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