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post #1831 of 3464
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Originally Posted by pinnick View Post

your b550 vs d550, whats the difference between the sets? the b550 looks quite nice to me.
edit: improvements I mean ?

3D
Cinema Smooth
2 years of panel, processor improvements

These are a few that come to mind.
post #1832 of 3464
yes true, but I meant side by side it would be interesting to hear what PQ-improvements has been made. Sounded as if he got one d550 and b550 and could compare.
post #1833 of 3464
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

Well, my TV stand is black with brushed silver trim, so I am good to go either way.


lucky for you. the silver bezel will look fantastic with your setup.
post #1834 of 3464
What do you guys think about my requirements:

1. I want the biggest plasma in the lineup. So if I want a 64", am I only shopping the 8000? If there is a 64" in 5,6,7 see the next question.

My media room is my basement -tiny windows with curtains and blinds. Plus, I only use the room in the daytime maybe 1-2X per month.

We are watching movies, tv, and a lot of xbox360. So a good mix.

I was only considering the 8000. Money is just paper. I like to buy things ONCE and never have to second guess.

But after reading a lot of your threads saying you can get the same picture out of a 6 vs 7 vs 8, minus blacks, etc etc, I really started to think twice.

QUESTION: Do I just get the 8000 for my dark basement? Or would the 7000 be ok for me? Or even 6? I don't like silver bezels, but my hands may be tied there. I have a blu ray with netflix, so those options are not a huge deal to me right now. I want 3D b/c I want to be future proof in case 3D really blows up.

I have pics in my sig/link if you want to see the situation.
Thanks for your time.
post #1835 of 3464
From the looks of the 550 I saw today...in a dark basement...I can't imagine you would get a lot more mileage out of the 8000, unless internet apps is important to you, but if money is only paper...you might as well get the 8000. You can get the 64 in the 550, 7000 and 8000 as far as I have seen.
post #1836 of 3464
If money is no object, you may want to consider the Panasonic 65vt30. I'm going to wait for a few reviews and then make my decision (Panasoinic or samsung).

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Originally Posted by RyanA3 View Post


I was only considering the 8000. Money is just paper. I like to buy things ONCE and never have to second guess.
post #1837 of 3464
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Originally Posted by Tallen234 View Post

If money is no object, you may want to consider the Panasonic 65vt30. I'm going to wait for a few reviews and then make my decision (Panasoinic or samsung).

Screw that. If money is no object, go buy that 31" OLED LG It even murders a Kuro. Just sit close.
post #1838 of 3464
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Originally Posted by RyanA3 View Post

What do you guys think about my requirements:

1. I want the biggest plasma in the lineup. So if I want a 64", am I only shopping the 8000? If there is a 64" in 5,6,7 see the next question.

My media room is my basement -tiny windows with curtains and blinds. Plus, I only use the room in the daytime maybe 1-2X per month.

We are watching movies, tv, and a lot of xbox360. So a good mix.

I was only considering the 8000. Money is just paper. I like to buy things ONCE and never have to second guess.

But after reading a lot of your threads saying you can get the same picture out of a 6 vs 7 vs 8, minus blacks, etc etc, I really started to think twice.

QUESTION: Do I just get the 8000 for my dark basement? Or would the 7000 be ok for me? Or even 6? I don't like silver bezels, but my hands may be tied there. I have a blu ray with netflix, so those options are not a huge deal to me right now. I want 3D b/c I want to be future proof in case 3D really blows up.

I have pics in my sig/link if you want to see the situation.
Thanks for your time.

If you're sure you want the 64" then there is no 6500 option, so you need to choose from the 550, 7000, or 8000. This is the same situation I am in. The fact is, there is just not enough data out yet to determine the differences in PQ. If money is not an obstacle, of course the 8000 would be the best choice.

However, as far as "future proofing in case 3D blows up", I don't think that's possible. My guess is that none of these sets available today will be adequate for 3D in a few years. The technology is changing too fast. It would be better to just expect to buy another TV if/when 3D catches on and the technology settles into a standard.
post #1839 of 3464
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Originally Posted by AMM. View Post

The PN64D7000 is in stock and shipping from Big River.

PN6D7000 is available for order from Amazon as well...
post #1840 of 3464
Are you going to wait till someone gets 2000 hrs on a 65vt30 to see if they still have the rising black level? Or are you just not going to care if it does that?

Personally, I'm pretty put off by Panasonic doing an engineering trick to sell plasmas by getting great reviews then dropping back to black levels everyone else has.

I'd rather not give them my money and reward them for this kind of BS.

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Originally Posted by Tallen234 View Post

If money is no object, you may want to consider the Panasonic 65vt30. I'm going to wait for a few reviews and then make my decision (Panasoinic or samsung).
post #1841 of 3464
If you can totally black out your viewing room you really really should get a front projector.

There's no replacment for displacment, err, screen size. lol.

If I had a room like you have, I wouldn't think twice about making my primary display a front projector.

I love my front projector, but blacking out the windows all the time is a pain just to watch Tv. You won't have that problem though.

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Originally Posted by Ruppgu View Post

I'm in the same boat. I have a perfect dungeon of a basement this TV will go into (no windows in the room, very dark) and I'm trying to decide between the 550 and 6500/7000. Since I don't need to worry about natural light (and I don't care about internet), will there be a reason to go beyond a 550?

I've seen the 550 in store and it looks great, but it's hard to judge under store lighting.
post #1842 of 3464
Ok I had a couple of hours to play with the PN51D7000 (Already posted pic's), and the one thing that I noticed first are the really deep blacks. I quickly tried the 2D to 3D conversion and that part of it is like night and day, it looks to be doing a much better job than last years model. Im still in awe of how good looking the TV is, blow last years C7000 out of the water. The smart TV HUB looks and work better IMO than last years. Did I mention blacks are good ? Just kidding ! seriously its that good.

I have yet to play a little PS3 to determine how good/bad the lag is and also some real true HD 3D bluray. If it means much to anybody the ESPN ticker still shows incredible lag, just like last years.

On a side note, I purchased the starter kit with the two glasses and the Shrek and Megamind movies and again only triend glasses about 5 min but noticed the instantly turned on and when I turned the 2D to 3D conversion off the glasses turned off instantly too. One thing that has me VERY upset is that for a pair of glasses that cost $500 this time around they didnt even include the little microfiber cloth pouches, just the battery and the cleaning microfiber rag. Where am I supposed to put the glasses ? Maybe its just my package I guess. Thank god I have some awsome hard cases that say... FULL 3D HD on them.
post #1843 of 3464
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Are you going to wait till someone gets 2000 hrs on a 65vt30 to see if they still have the rising black level? Or are you just not going to care if it does that?

Personally, I'm pretty put off by Panasonic doing an engineering trick to sell plasmas by getting great reviews then dropping back to black levels everyone else has.

I'd rather not give them my money and reward them for this kind of BS.

agree. I cannot consider them until its proven to be fixed. I will not pay for something that only lasts for 6 months....
post #1844 of 3464
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Originally Posted by ibr80 View Post

Ok I had a couple of hours to play with the PN51D7000 (Already posted pic's), and the one thing that I noticed first are the really deep blacks. I quickly tried the 2D to 3D conversion and that part of it is like night and day, it looks to be doing a much better job than last years model. Im still in awe of how good looking the TV is, blow last years C7000 out of the water. The smart TV HUB looks and work better IMO than last years. Did I mention blacks are good ? Just kidding ! seriously its that good.

I have yet to play a little PS3 to determine how good/bad the lag is and also some real true HD 3D bluray. If it means much to anybody the ESPN ticker still shows incredible lag, just like last years.

On a side note, I purchased the starter kit with the two glasses and the Shrek and Megamind movies and again only triend glasses about 5 min but noticed the instantly turned on and when I turned the 2D to 3D conversion off the glasses turned off instantly too. One thing that has me VERY upset is that for a pair of glasses that cost $500 this time around they didnt even include the little microfiber cloth pouches, just the battery and the cleaning microfiber rag. Where am I supposed to put the glasses ? Maybe its just my package I guess. Thank god I have some awsome hard cases that say... FULL 3D HD on them.


can you post some pics showing the blacklevel (dark room). That would be very nice. Im considering buying one of these sets, but in the past samsung had bad blacklevel...
post #1845 of 3464
Supposedly, they have addressed this and the floating black issue is fixed (according to recent reviews). But even of their was a slight rise over time (from .002) that wouldn't bug me. Even with the rising black issue CNet still awarded the vt25 the panel of the year.

I'm not a panny fan boy, I actually hope the Sammy is better as I am getting either the 55" panny or 59" Sammy. I could use the extra 4" ?


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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Are you going to wait till someone gets 2000 hrs on a 65vt30 to see if they still have the rising black level? Or are you just not going to care if it does that?

Personally, I'm pretty put off by Panasonic doing an engineering trick to sell plasmas by getting great reviews then dropping back to black levels everyone else has.

I'd rather not give them my money and reward them for this kind of BS.
post #1846 of 3464
RyanA3,

In the past, like on the A, B, and C models, the 4/5 series did not have processing as good as the higher end 6/7/8 series.

Also, one usually got better colors out of the box, and better calibration controls to dial in the colors on the higher-end models. It's too early to tell whether or not that changed this year or not.

The other main difference is the screen filter, but that is irrelevant in a dark room, or in a very dim environment like with your basement.
post #1847 of 3464
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Originally Posted by david437 View Post

can you post some pics showing the blacklevel (dark room). That would be very nice. Im considering buying one of these sets, but in the past samsung had bad blacklevel...

I will post some pics tonight of black levels any particular bluray movie scene that you think is a good example I have a pretty fair amount of blurays (200) ? Anybody else can chime in if they would like .
post #1848 of 3464
What about Cinema Smooth? We need someone who knows what to look for test it out in a completely blacked out room. Do the blacks rise (lighten) when 96hz Cinema Smooth is engaged like the previous two years, or is it really fixed?
post #1849 of 3464
I will agree that the blacks are good on the d7000 so far. I just set it up a few hours ago and haven't calibrated it much since it is now running slides.

I will add that as far as buzz goes, I can't hear any buzz from the tv that is louder then my crappy TW hd-dvr box so that is a very good sign
post #1850 of 3464
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

What about Cinema Smooth? We need someone who knows what to look for test it out in a completely blacked out room. Do the blacks rise (lighten) when 96hz Cinema Smooth is engaged like the previous two years, or is it really fixed?

Can Cinema Smooth even be turned on or off? I thought the press release said it is baked into the new chip Samsung created, and I don't recall that option in the video of the menus.
post #1851 of 3464
Actually, Samsung and Panasonic are close enough that I won't give Panasonic money just because they screwed over the 2009 plasma buyers by never taking care of the "mistake" they made with that year's firmware.

If you give a company money that knowingly screwed it's customers over AFTER realizing they made a mistake, you're just letting them get away with it when you give them your money afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Tallen234 View Post

Supposedly, they have addressed this and the floating black issue is fixed (according to recent reviews). But even of their was a slight rise over time (from .002) that wouldn't bug me. Even with the rising black issue CNet still awarded the vt25 the panel of the year.

I'm not a panny fan boy, I actually hope the Sammy is better as I am getting either the 55" panny or 59" Sammy. I could use the extra 4" ?
post #1852 of 3464
So we have 2 owners so far confirm that they hear no major audible buzz!

Going good so far.
post #1853 of 3464
If we are rewarding or punishing corporate citizenship, you should never buy from Samsung. Take a few minutes and review their history of patent infringement, allegations of bribery, etc.

Also, should we get upset with samsung for failing to correct the chroma bug for the 2010 model owners?

I can certainly understand the frustration with the rising blacks, however.


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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Actually, Samsung and Panasonic are close enough that I won't give Panasonic money just because they screwed over the 2009 plasma buyers by never taking care of the "mistake" they made with that year's firmware.

If you give a company money that knowingly screwed it's customers over AFTER realizing they made a mistake, you're just letting them get away with it when you give them your money afterwards.
post #1854 of 3464
No audible noise unless I'm within a foot or so in total silence with my PN59D550
post #1855 of 3464
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Originally Posted by ibr80 View Post

If it means much to anybody the ESPN ticker still shows incredible lag, just like last years.

I'm glad you like the D7000. I didn't follow previous Samsungs so much. Is the ESPN ticker issue a well-known one? Is it limited to certain models? Would it be connected to a 24 fps feature being engaged or not? Is it exclusive to ESPN for some reason, or any typical crawl?
post #1856 of 3464
I guess you don't read the tech blogs much.

Every company has patent infringments.

And this is the first time I've read anything about a 2010 chroma bug anywhere.

As far as bribery, I really don't see the difference between what samsung's owners did and what amercian companies do with political contributions.

Same thing, different name.

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Originally Posted by Tallen234 View Post

If we are rewarding or punishing corporate citizenship, you should never buy from Samsung. Take a few minutes and review their history of patent infringement, allegations of bribery, etc.

Also, should we get upset with samsung for failing to correct the chroma bug for the 2010 model owners?

I can certainly understand the frustration with the rising blacks, however.
post #1857 of 3464
Oops. I meant the cinema smooth bug. Samsung rising blacks when cinema smooth enabled in 2010 models.

From folks I know in the industry, let's just say Samsung has a reputation.

I'm not sure why this excites you so much (ad hominems). If you think Samsung is a clean company, then so be it. I actually want to buy a Samsung.



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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

I guess you don't read the tech blogs much.

Every company has patent infringments.

And this is the first time I've read anything about a 2010 chroma bug anywhere.

As far as bribery, I really don't see the difference between what samsung's owners did and what amercian companies do with political contributions.

Same thing, different name.
post #1858 of 3464
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Originally Posted by GrandPrixGT300 View Post

No audible noise unless I'm within a foot or so in total silence with my PN59D550

yes, and it may turn out that the next step up in PQ will be the D8000.
and it's good you got the 59" size.

it would be good to see how the D550 compares to the D7000 and D6500.

Also you have to factor in the size. You do not want a 51" size until the reviews come out. Last year it was proven the larger 58" and 63" Samsung Plasma TV's for 2010 had better picture quality.
post #1859 of 3464
I went to the Local store today and they had the 51 inch D550 on display
this plasma has some PQ what an awesome tv. they also had a st30 on display
and it was not as nice at the d550 PQ. the samy had more pop to it
post #1860 of 3464
Went to Maui for two weeks. Any cliffnotes on what I've missed? Additional specs and/or pricing information for the 6500, 7000 and 8000 series plasma's?
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