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post #3271 of 3464
5/9/11 at 2:03pm
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I don't know which weird version you think you have, but my Planet Earth is most definitely 24p.

It was recorded at 25fps for the 50hz broadcast standard, it was converted to 24fps for the US release, which leads to even more obvious judder. Not a good judder test at all.
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post #3272 of 3464
5/9/11 at 3:42pm
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Pro logic isn't something that is "pushed". Pro Logic is processing that can be applied to a stereo (2-channel) source to emulate more channels. If your receiver supports the different flavors of Pro Logic, you can apply one of them to the stereo stream coming from the TV. The TV does send Dolby Digital 5.1 when available as long as the TV itself is the source (not an external component).


do you know if either the 64" D7000 or D8000 has bleutooth built in? I.e., could I use bluetooth wireless headphones for audio without running audio through a separate AV device?
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post #3273 of 3464
5/9/11 at 4:14pm
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do you know if either the 64" D7000 or D8000 has bleutooth built in? I.e., could I use bluetooth wireless headphones for audio without running audio through a separate AV device?

It supports bluetooth for connecting to 3D glasses and the qwerty remote, but not headphones. In theory, that functionality could be added in a future firmware update, but I doubt Samsung will add it.
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post #3274 of 3464
5/9/11 at 4:58pm
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do you know if either the 64" D7000 or D8000 has bleutooth built in? I.e., could I use bluetooth wireless headphones for audio without running audio through a separate AV device?

I found thar the X-41 could be a solution for headphones ...
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post #3275 of 3464
5/9/11 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by TiVoHD View Post

I just watched Avatar 3D on my 64D8000 last night. The 3D quality was amazing.

I'm pretty sure Avatar 3d is exclusive to Panasonic until 2012 so this seems unlikely.
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post #3276 of 3464
5/9/11 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by EliDavid148 View Post

I'm pretty sure Avatar 3d is exclusive to Panasonic until 2012 so this seems unlikely.

Why would it be unlikely that I bought a Panasonic Blu-ray player? You don't think a "Panasonic exclusive" movie would work on a Samsung TV? I assure you that it does, and it looks great.
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post #3277 of 3464
5/9/11 at 5:44pm
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I'm pretty sure Avatar 3d is exclusive to Panasonic until 2012 so this seems unlikely.

Pretty sure it is coming with a redemption coupon now with panasonic blu ray players. Plus there is always eBay. Hell I have Every single exclusive samsung blu ray that was released as well as panasonics and I have panasonic. It's actually very likely he watched it
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post #3278 of 3464
5/9/11 at 6:40pm
I bought a panasonic 110 three weeks ago, and this past weekend I got my Avatar 3d blu ray. Looks awesome on my Samsung 59d7000.
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post #3279 of 3464
5/9/11 at 8:06pm
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Why would it be unlikely that I bought a Panasonic Blu-ray player? You don't think a "Panasonic exclusive" movie would work on a Samsung TV? I assure you that it does, and it looks great.

I thought it would only work on Panasonic tv's. So you're saying as long as you have the disc you can play it on a regular 3D bluray player and a samsung 3D tv? That would be awesome! Sort of... looks like they are going for $85 on ebay. I want this movie so bad! But $85 is too much. Think someone will trade me Avatar 3D for Shrek Forever After 3D? Anybody?
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post #3280 of 3464
5/9/11 at 8:16pm
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I thought it would only work on Panasonic tv's. So you're saying as long as you have the disc you can play it on a regular 3D bluray player and a samsung 3D tv? That would be awesome! Sort of... looks like they are going for $85 on ebay. I want this movie so bad! But $85 is too much. Think someone will trade me Avatar 3D for Shrek Forever After 3D? Anybody?

Yes, any 3D Blu-ray will play on any Blu-ray player and TV combination as long as they both support 3D.

If you really want the movie, you could buy the Panasonic BDT110 to get it and then sell the player on ebay if you don't need it.
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post #3281 of 3464
5/10/11 at 7:10am
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I found thar the X-41 could be a solution for headphones ...



but if I already have a PS3 and not an X-box...do those still work?
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post #3282 of 3464
5/10/11 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by sitsat View Post

but if I already have a PS3 and not an X-box...do those still work?

I also want to use it from my TV optical audio out. Not from my xbox.
But I think what matters is that the X-41 has an optical audio in. It doesn't care from where the sound come from. At least that's what I think.
Plus, you can connect regular headphones to it.
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post #3283 of 3464
5/10/11 at 9:09am
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I also want to use it from my TV optical audio out. Not from my xbox.
But I think what matters is that the X-41 has an optical audio in. It doesn't care from where the sound come from. At least that's what I think.
Plus, you can connect regular headphones to it.



ok - so optical audio connection from an AV receiver (or the display) to the x-41 transmitter, and then wireless RF to the headphones...what are people's feelings about RF vs bluetooth for (relatively) high fidelity, aka surround sound with x-41 - or maybe since you're wearing headphones, true surround isn't really an option...might be better suited q for audio forum
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post #3284 of 3464
5/10/11 at 1:06pm
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Think someone will trade me Avatar 3D for Shrek Forever After 3D? Anybody?

BAHAHAHA!! ...no. The Shrek Forever After 3D disc is a dime-a-dozen ($15 buy it now on Ebay) since it seems Samsung sent out two copies to practically everyone who sent in the vouchers for the Shrek series and Megamind.
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post #3285 of 3464
5/10/11 at 1:06pm
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If you really want the movie, you could buy the Panasonic BDT110 to get it and then sell the player on ebay if you don't need it.

::cough:: or just return it ::cough::
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post #3286 of 3464
5/10/11 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by javanpohl View Post

::cough:: or just return it ::cough::

The Avatar redemption requires the original UPC.
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post #3287 of 3464
5/10/11 at 1:36pm
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The Avatar redemption requires the original UPC.

You are correct.
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post #3288 of 3464
5/11/11 at 9:14am
Avatar is a boring movie no matter what format you watch it in!
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post #3289 of 3464
5/11/11 at 9:26am
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Avatar is a boring movie no matter what format you watch it in!

Agreed
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post #3290 of 3464
5/11/11 at 9:38am
Quiet, kids--the grown ups are talking.
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post #3291 of 3464
5/11/11 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

It was recorded at 25fps for the 50hz broadcast standard, it was converted to 24fps for the US release, which leads to even more obvious judder. Not a good judder test at all.

Prove it. Let's see the proof where all the footage in Planet Earth was filmed at 25fps.

Nothwithstanding, it does not change my point ONE BIT. Who cares what the original footage was shot at? The point is, it is encoded at 24p on BD, and looks crappy because of the low frame rate.

240hz frame interp makes it look a LOT better, which is all I care about--what my eyes end up seeing. I don't really care what the footage was originally shot at, but how it is encoded on the disc and presented to the display.

As it stands, the motion looks awful.
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post #3292 of 3464
5/12/11 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

Prove it. Let's see the proof where all the footage in Planet Earth was filmed at 25fps.

Nothwithstanding, it does not change my point ONE BIT. Who cares what the original footage was shot at? The point is, it is encoded at 24p on BD, and looks crappy because of the low frame rate.

240hz frame interp makes it look a LOT better, which is all I care about--what my eyes end up seeing. I don't really care what the footage was originally shot at, but how it is encoded on the disc and presented to the display.

As it stands, the motion looks awful.

This particular disk may look awful, but this is not a characteristic of 24p in general. Do you think movies in the theater look awful? What frame rate were they recorded at?
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post #3293 of 3464
5/12/11 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

It was recorded at 25fps for the 50hz broadcast standard, it was converted to 24fps for the US release, which leads to even more obvious judder. Not a good judder test at all.

Do you know what happens to the extra frame if something is converted from 25 to 24? Do they just remove it?
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post #3294 of 3464
5/12/11 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by EliDavid148 View Post

I'm pretty sure Avatar 3d is exclusive to Panasonic until 2012 so this seems unlikely.

Calling people liars is a bad habit to get into. I've watched it several times on my Sammy D6500.
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post #3295 of 3464
5/12/11 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by rpauls View Post
This particular disk may look awful, but this is not a characteristic of 24p in general. Do you think movies in the theater look awful? What frame rate were they recorded at?
I wouldn't know. I haven't been to a theater in several years. I only care that 24p Blu ray sometimes looks like crap on my home displays, because of the low frame rate.
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post #3296 of 3464
5/13/11 at 10:46am
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First review of a Samsung plasma in print. Unfortunately, it's by PC World Australia and it's light on the details... marginally improved black levels and crosstalk vs 2010 models.

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review...59d8000/385372

Too bad our AUS/UK friends get stuck with the light silver bezel and no 7-series options.
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post #3297 of 3464
5/13/11 at 12:41pm
After reading a lot I'm still not sure!

This year D6500 or last year C7000?

What about the lack of checkerboard?
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post #3298 of 3464
5/13/11 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by BenBenBen View Post

Do you know what happens to the extra frame if something is converted from 25 to 24? Do they just remove it?

They dont drop frames or telecine but instead slow it down 4% and pitch correct the audio. It is choppier than the film makers intended it.

I made no arguments that 24p (or 25p for that matter) isn't too slow. There is plenty of stutter with such slow frame rates, but telecine makes it even worse.

Regarding Planet Earth, it was filmed at different film speeds but with the intention to be delivered at 50i. It was mastered at 50i. Most of the footage was captured at 25p. It was slowed down and pitch corrected for certain 24p bluray releases.
Some bluray versions are 24p and some 50i. Without a TV capable of 50i/25p and a bluray player capable of 50i/25p it can't be watched in proper frame cadence.
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post #3299 of 3464
5/13/11 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by Orakulo View Post

After reading a lot I'm still not sure!

This year D6500 or last year C7000?

What about the lack of checkerboard?

Why you don't get a little bit more money or wait a little longer and get the D7000, that way you'll be totally happy, if not you gonna regret later on, why you didn't get the new model or the higher model. I'd do just that.
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post #3300 of 3464
5/13/11 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by obveron View Post

They dont drop frames or telecine but instead slow it down 4% and pitch correct the audio. It is choppier than the film makers intended it.

I made no arguments that 24p (or 25p for that matter) isn't too slow. There is plenty of stutter with such slow frame rates, but telecine makes it even worse.

Regarding Planet Earth, it was filmed at different film speeds but with the intention to be delivered at 50i. It was mastered at 50i. Most of the footage was captured at 25p. It was slowed down and pitch corrected for certain 24p bluray releases.
Some bluray versions are 24p and some 50i. Without a TV capable of 50i/25p and a bluray player capable of 50i/25p it can't be watched in proper frame cadence.

Interesting. Thanks for the response.
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