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post #571 of 1131
Correct...smile.gif
post #572 of 1131
please let me have an other question regarding virtual inputs:

From Curt Palme's page: "There are four "virtual" inputs also available to allow for more sources in front of the AVR/switch doing source selection for the RadianceMini"

I guess, this is a very useful feature if I have more than 1 player source (controlled by a HDMI switch in front of the Radiance mini inputs), so I can make profiles for each player, for ex. to have different 5x5x5 LUT's assigned to these player sources.

If my thought is correct - does the XS3D support virtual inputs also?
If yes, how much per input?
post #573 of 1131
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Originally Posted by *Harry* View Post

please let me have an other question regarding virtual inputs:
From Curt Palme's page: "There are four "virtual" inputs also available to allow for more sources in front of the AVR/switch doing source selection for the RadianceMini"
I guess, this is a very useful feature if I have more than 1 player source (controlled by a HDMI switch in front of the Radiance mini inputs), so I can make profiles for each player, for ex. to have different 5x5x5 LUT's assigned to these player sources.
If my thought is correct - does the XS3D support virtual inputs also?
If yes, how much per input?

answered elsewhere....but for clarity in case anyone else wants to know

XS has 4 virtual inputs.
post #574 of 1131
The RadianceXS has 4 virtual inputs, HDMI 1 through 4.

You can connect a HDMI switcher or receiver to one of the HDMI physical inputs on the XS. Then you can set the other HDMI inputs to use that physical input. Select each virtual input on the XS and press "Menu, Input, HDMI Setup, Physical In, Ok". Make sure that you "Save" the new settings.

Randy Freeman
post #575 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Greetings! I'm glad you like the video, Bill. Your screen sounds a bit tricky. You could certainly fill the screen, but you'd have to establish custom aspect ratios. It would still be tricky though...It might be easier to use the radiance's stretch functions for the 2:35 image and save to virtual input 1, and then do the same thing for a 16x9 and save that to virtual input 2. You could then switch between the virtual inputs, depending on the image being displayed on the screen. (I'm not at home, so I can't see from the menu if the stretch parameters are custom, but I would imagine that they would be)

Brolic, If you get a chance can you take a couple of photos of different movies using the NLS stretching of 16:9 to 2.35. I'm on the fence about whether I want to drop $1500 for this. You might sway me to get one, but I'm still a little skeptical about the whole thing. Some people I talked with on here watched your video and stated they could tell it was stretching the image and didn't look natural but to me it looked normal. If you could take a couple of photos of some 16:9 movies NLS stretched I would appreciate it.
post #576 of 1131
If you mostly want it for AR control, I think the older Vision units do that and are inexpensive (used), though I don't know about the virtual inputs.
post #577 of 1131
The older Vision series video processors don't have support for virtual inputs.
All of the Radiance video processors support virtual inputs. The number of virtual inputs varies between the models.

XE/XD, 6 virtual inputs
XS, 4 virtual inputs
MIni, 6 virtual inputs.

Randy Freeman
post #578 of 1131
If I have a HDMI-Switch at one real port at the Mini, I think the only chance to assign the sources to one of the virtual ports is the output resolution of the source. So same output resolution of more then one source will let the mini to choose the same virtual port for these sources.

If this is right it follows that the assignment is more a matter of incoming resolution then of the different devices. Can you confirm this or is my understanding completely wrong?
post #579 of 1131
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Originally Posted by fredman2005 View Post

If I have a HDMI-Switch at one real port at the Mini, I think the only chance to assign the sources to one of the virtual ports is the output resolution of the source. So same output resolution of more then one source will let the mini to choose the same virtual port for these sources.
If this is right it follows that the assignment is more a matter of incoming resolution then of the different devices. Can you confirm this or is my understanding completely wrong?

There are 4 memories per input as well....so you even if you had 16 1080p24 sources going through your switch to one physical input on the scaler you could still have different configurations for each one by using the different memories, ie 4 x 4...
post #580 of 1131
Thanks Gordon,

but then I must change the right memory (configuration) manually or with a macro command of the remote.

You see that I still have my thoughts by the Mini. ;-)
post #581 of 1131
The Mini has 6 virtual inputs.

For example, you might have 6 video sources connected to input 1 through 6 on a 6x1 HDMI switch (or a receiver with 6 HDMI inputs).

The output of the HDMI switch is connected to HDMI input 1 on the Mini.

You configure the Mini so that virtual input 2 through 6 all use physical input 1.

Now when you choose video source 2 on the HDMI switch you would also choose Mini input 2. The Mini uses the settings that you saved for video source 2.

Randy Freeman
post #582 of 1131
The manual and even for the GUI is somewhat confusing/difficult. So here is my question for all the experts:

I would to hook up a 1x2 splitter on the output - One for the bedroom TV, the other for the PJ in another. Do a separate calibration/setting for the bedroom and and for the PJ. Is there memory setting I could save for each? Thanks!
post #583 of 1131
Hi Everyone,
I'm experienced in front projection, but new to processors.
We are setting up a new media theater room with cathedral ceilings. I have to put the projector on a drop tube and I can't be getting on a ladder each time i need to focus, zoom or shift the lens. I want to use a new projector like the Sony 50ES or the new Epsons. However, these do not have powered lens shift/focus/zoom
The maximum width of the screen can be is about 130 inches. I want to go to a 2.0:1 Aspect Ratio screen. Da-lite will build me a 65"x130" High Power electric screen for a reasonable cost.
Can the Lumagen scale all aspect ratios to 2.0:1? It's an odd size and I wasn't sure if it is adjustable to that extent.
My thinking is to get one of the new projectors and use the Lumagen to fit all images to the 2.0:1 screen size. If it can do it, can it be set up to do it automatically?
Thanks for your help.
post #584 of 1131
Yes, you cna use MEMA for one and MEMB for the other. you would assign different CMS settings to each memory to compensate for the different deficiencies in each device.
post #585 of 1131
you can zoom your pj out to fill width of the screen then set up different memories to allow correct aspect ratio for 2.35:, 16:9, 4:3 I presume this is what you are asking.
post #586 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Per my above post, below is a video I shot today about establishing CIH settings using the Lumagen RadianceMini 3D without having to Zoom your projector. i hope this helps someone.

What a great video Brolic, thanks for taking the time making it smile.gif

I`m very interested in this 16:9 to 2.35:1 stretch function myself. I do not own the RadianceMini yet but thinking about getting it soon. If possible, do you think you could capture some more video content showing this stretch function? Would be great to see some different types of source material, like TV content and some more movies in both 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 aspect ratio.

Looking at your video it`s hardly noticeable that the image has been stretched and i never thought this would be possible doing. I have a 2.35:1 screen myself and i have tried to crop my 16:9 movies with a HTPC so that they fill the screen but it`s far from a optimal solution. This stretch solution really looks like a better way to get rid of the black bars on the sides but would really like to see some more examples first before buying the Mini 3D.

If anyone else could provide some more video examples, they are more than welcome.
post #587 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

What a great video Brolic, thanks for taking the time making it smile.gif
I`m very interested in this 16:9 to 2.35:1 stretch function myself. I do not own the RadianceMini yet but thinking about getting it soon. If possible, do you think you could capture some more video content showing this stretch function? Would be great to see some different types of source material, like TV content and some more movies in both 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 aspect ratio.
Looking at your video it`s hardly noticeable that the image has been stretched and i never thought this would be possible doing. I have a 2.35:1 screen myself and i have tried to crop my 16:9 movies with a HTPC so that they fill the screen but it`s far from a optimal solution. This stretch solution really looks like a better way to get rid of the black bars on the sides but would really like to see some more examples first before buying the Mini 3D.
If anyone else could provide some more video examples, they are more than welcome.

Sure, no problem man. I'll cook up a follow up video this weekend. Is there any material you (or anyone reading this) would like to see in particular? (I.e. games, television, computer, all of the above?)
post #588 of 1131
The non linear stretch of the lumagen can be applied in different ways. ie you can adjust which parts of the image are stretched the most, or least....so if you do not like the standard preset there is scope to alter it to potentially preferable settings as well.
post #589 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Sure, no problem man. I'll cook up a follow up video this weekend. Is there any material you (or anyone reading this) would like to see in particular? (I.e. games, television, computer, all of the above?)

Awesome!

Would be great to see some more movies & also some television content like a game or a tv-show/serie.
post #590 of 1131
Got it.  Here’s what’s on the menu for the video thus far:

-16:9 Movies: The Avengers, Up,
-Movies that switch between 16:9 and 2:35: The Dark Knight and Tron
-TV Shows: Game of Thrones, The Pacific, Planet Earth
-Gaming Systems
   -PS3: Uncharted 2, Killzone 3, Hulu Plus App
   -Xbox 360: Modern Warfare 3, Skyrim, Forza Motorsport, Netflix App,
   -PC: Crysis: Warhead (PC)
-Computer: Web Surfing, Pictures, Home Videos, Random Programs

Any additions are welcome.
post #591 of 1131
Brolic:

If you happen to have the first Terminator movie, please add it to your list.
post #592 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

Brolic:
If you happen to have the first Terminator movie, please add it to your list.

I do have it. Its been added!
post #593 of 1131
Hey brolic I saw your video on YouTube about the Lumagen and the stretch function for 16x9 content and was going to ask you a question on YouTube but figured I would come here to see if I can find any info on it and saw you on here with people asking the same question. I have a 2.35.1 setup and was wondering how the stretch function works with the dark knight and tron I cant wait to see your video on it. Thanks
post #594 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Got it.  Here’s what’s on the menu for the video thus far:

-16:9 Movies: The Avengers, Up,
-Movies that switch between 16:9 and 2:35: The Dark Knight and Tron
-TV Shows: Game of Thrones, The Pacific, Planet Earth
-Gaming Systems
   -PS3: Uncharted 2, Killzone 3, Hulu Plus App
   -Xbox 360: Modern Warfare 3, Skyrim, Forza Motorsport, Netflix App,
   -PC: Crysis: Warhead (PC)
-Computer: Web Surfing, Pictures, Home Videos, Random Programs

Any additions are welcome.

I was just about to contact you after seeing your YouTube video and it looks like some other folks beat me to it.

I have been wanting to upgrade my projector (Epson 6500ub) and really want the new Epson 5020 but it doesn't do the motorized zoom/lens memory. I don't want to settle for the Panny as the Epson offers (IMHO) the perfect combination of reliability, service, brightness, and contrast for the money.

I really want a 2:35 screen and I don't want to fool with an A-Lens setup plus like the other features and functions of the Lumagen so this is very appealing to me.

I watch a TON (mostly, actually) of Animated shows like Family Guy, South Park, Simpsons, American Dad, etc. If there is any way you could add some animated TV shows (even an older episode from before 2007 or so of Family Guy which is easy to find almost any day/evening on many stations) in both 16:9 native (newer episodes from 2009 on to be safe) and older episodes that were originally 4:3 but now come in as 16:9 as already scaled from TBS, Fox, etc, and show them stretched to 2:35 this could be the deal maker/breaker for me. Again, I'd be very appreciative. smile.gif

Also, do you know what the advantages/disadvantages of having the projector do this stretching (assuming a projector that can do it) vs. having an A-Lens vs. having something like the Lumagen do this scaling/stretching? Is there a difference in brightness, contrast, pixel loss, artifacts, etc? There have to be advantages/disadvantages to each method but I'm new to this idea and just trying to figure them out.

Also, sense this is pretty much the only feature I really want/need, is there any other less expensive Lumagen (or other) product that you (or anyone else that cares to chime in) are aware of that will do this, so I could invest more in the projector instead of this device that does a lot of other stuff I don't need?

Thanks so much! This is the best and most helpful YouTube video I have ever seen!

--Jason
post #595 of 1131
Greetings all, please see Aspect Ratio Management Part II below. In the interest of time, I couldt all the items I listed previously (the vid would have been 30 mins), but I did cover avengers, terminator, the dark knight, tron, family guy, game of thrones, and call of duty: modern warfare 3. Enjoy!


Edited by BrolicBeast - 10/15/12 at 4:00am
post #596 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Greetings all, please see Aspect Ratio Management Part II below. In the interest of time, I couldt all the items I listed previously (the vid would have been 30 mins), but I did cover avengers, terminator, the dark knight, tron, family guy, game of thrones, and call of duty: modern warfare 3. Enjoy!

Again, really nice video and follow up to the first one Brolic!

I've watched it a couple of times now and i really like what the Lumagen does to the 16:9 image. It looks so natural and like you said, it's hard to tell that the image has been stretched. This is definitely a better way to go than only cropping the image with for example a HTPC like i've been doing before. The fact that you can also tweak how the NLS stretches the picture is another big advantage.
Also, very interesting to see how it managed the variable aspect ratio in TDK & Tron, these movies can be a little bit difficult to watch especially for those without the lens memory function.

I'm more convinced now than ever to pick up the Mini3D.
post #597 of 1131
Forgot to ask you in my previous post, have you tried the NLS when a subtitle is applied to the image/movie and how does that look? I assume the sub also get stretched right?
post #598 of 1131
I use NLS too, and personally, I found it better if you don't stretch the "middle of the picture".. Subtitle is fine in most cases, as each letter is not stretched much since you have spaces in between. NLS to me, only have "issues" when I am watching basketball game and when there is a fastbreak smile.gif The quick panning motion do introduce problems with NLS, but overall, I think the pros of having a bigger screen outweight this. Do experiment the different NLS setting to see which one you like.
post #599 of 1131
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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

Again, really nice video and follow up to the first one Brolic!
I've watched it a couple of times now and i really like what the Lumagen does to the 16:9 image. It looks so natural and like you said, it's hard to tell that the image has been stretched. This is definitely a better way to go than only cropping the image with for example a HTPC like i've been doing before. The fact that you can also tweak how the NLS stretches the picture is another big advantage.
Also, very interesting to see how it managed the variable aspect ratio in TDK & Tron, these movies can be a little bit difficult to watch especially for those without the lens memory function.
I'm more convinced now than ever to pick up the Mini3D.

No problemo! I'm glad I could help out on the path to a decision on this great device. 16:9 movies and are no longer the bane of movie nights on a 2:35 screen, and the variable AR movies are no longer the bane of ALL movie nights as they once were! It works well with PC's as well :-) So your HTPC need not fear biggrin.gif
Edited by BrolicBeast - 10/15/12 at 3:10pm
post #600 of 1131
Hi guys,

I have an issue here with my Radiance Mini 3D. Purchased the unit about 20 days ago, has been working properly since, fw is newest 091612, has been Color Cube autocaled with Calman 5.

Played Battlefield 3 on XBOX360 today, the Radiance started to black out (show a full black screen) at always the same point in a specific map - had to turn the Radiance to Standby and back on to get the picture back. Happened 9/10 times again on the same point on that one map. Very, very annoying. Played another map, and now the Radiance starts to randomly black out every few minutes. Doesn't make any sense to play like this online.

For the last 20 days I did not have these issues. XBOX is hooked up via a HDMI switcher, as is a Western Digital Media Player (no problems with this device so far, no black outs). I have a PS3 hooked up to the other HDMI in port, no problems so far.

Any ideas why the Radiance craps out randomly with my XBOX360 ?

Thanks.

- M
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