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post #91 of 1567
Being precise is a worthy goal, but, to my surprise, I discovered that I can get good results with relatively imprecise 3D camera placement.

Before I had a modern 3D camera, I used to just take a couple of photos with my regular camera by dragging the tripod a small distance to the left or right about 7.5cm (3"). The results still looked OK even with small differences with tilt and alignment.

I think this is because our brains also get less than perfect images from our two eyes, but figures things out any way.

I also prefer accuracy, but, based on what I've seen with my experiments, we don't have to worry too much about the lens separation. Our brains already know what we are looking at in a scene and make the appropriate mental adjustments.

From what I learned at the Sony NAB exhibit Tuesday, it's more important to avoid too much difference between left and right views from the foreground to the background. In other words, if you are converged on a close object and the background images are far apart (viewed without glasses), it is difficult to view the image in 3D. Either collapse the distance between the lenses (if possible) or backup from the foreground object.
post #92 of 1567
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Originally Posted by dwhite601 View Post

From what I learned at the Sony NAB exhibit Tuesday, it's more important to avoid too much difference between left and right views from the foreground to the background. In other words, if you are converged on a close object and the background images are far apart (viewed without glasses), it is difficult to view the image in 3D. Either collapse the distance between the lenses (if possible) or backup from the foreground object.
That's a point that is not emphasized enough at all! If the distance between the 2 lenses is too far apart then the images begin to look distinctly different... instead of the SAME thing at a slightly different angle... and there is a big difference between the two scenarios.
post #93 of 1567
Based on several days of comparing the JVC and the Sony, I decided to jump on board and preordered the HDR TD10 today. Although the output quality of both camcorders seemed close for either to satisfy, I felt the quality of the equipment was much better on the Sony, especially the touch screen monitor. Additionally, most of my accessories will work on the Sony and won't on the JVC. I don't care about 24P or having XLR audio since I already have an XLR adapter and BT wireless mics plus a Sony Hot shoe shotgun mic. Also the Sony will work with a 3" dia mattebox mount for some special needs. It has a round base while the JVC is an odd shaped base that doesn't lend itself to universal filter systems.

If anyone is still deciding on either of these two competing camcorders, I'd suggest you get a good demo to compare the two.
post #94 of 1567
Well its on back order now. Looks like it was a short list to begin with. Bummer
post #95 of 1567
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Originally Posted by icerat4 View Post

Well its on back order now. Looks like it was a short list to begin with. Bummer

Last word I got was in 2 weeks. Said they were in the states but didn't know why the delay. I ordered from Amazon for reason they offer better price stability and don't bill until shipped.
post #96 of 1567
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Last word I got was in 2 weeks. Said they were in the states but didn't know why the delay. I ordered from Amazon for reason they offer better price stability and don't bill until shipped.

Mine was ordered march 23. sony style store. i guess just keep checkin. I am so excited to get this.
post #97 of 1567
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Last word I got was in 2 weeks. Said they were in the states but didn't know why the delay. I ordered from Amazon for reason they offer better price stability and don't bill until shipped.

i have order the sony consumer version US with 60i (germany version with
50i flickers to much!) today from b&h as i hear the the prof. version will be hit germany not before august.

b&h confirm to have it the first may week so in 3 weeks.
post #98 of 1567
B N H Has the temp out of stock posted. I bet they never had them in stock. What kind of crap is this play on words. what did they make 10 of these cams LOL.
post #99 of 1567
B&H never had any, ice. That statement is always listed on stuff that is announced and not received yet. Normally I would order from B&H but they will be closed until near the end of the month and won't even be receiving anything. B&H is an orthodox Jewish owned company and they honor their religious holidays ( Passover) strictly. I think they will reopen on the 28th. Nothing will change until after that date. Their sales rep at NAB told me they would not be able to receive until likely the first week in May.
post #100 of 1567
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

B&H never had any, ice. That statement is always listed on stuff that is announced and not received yet. Normally I would order from B&H but they will be closed until near the end of the month and won't even be receiving anything. B&H is an orthodox Jewish owned company and they honor their religious holidays ( Passover) strictly. I think they will reopen on the 28th. Nothing will change until after that date. Their sales rep at NAB told me they would not be able to receive until likely the first week in May.





ok thanks just anties . boy this is a tuff wait..
post #101 of 1567
ice- I have three projects to keep me busy waiting for the TD10.

1. Finish reading Benard Mendiburu's 3D Movie Making book.
2. Finish editing my recent trip to Death Valley
3. Install and learn the new 3D stuff in Vegas 10.0d.

By the time I get all that done, I'll be ready for the new 3D camcorder.

I feel real good now about not going for the JVC now that I had lots of time demoing both. I think you'll be pleased with having waited for the Sony.
post #102 of 1567
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

ice- I have three projects to keep me busy waiting for the TD10.

1. Finish reading Benard Mendiburu's 3D Movie Making book.
2. Finish editing my recent trip to Death Valley
3. Install and learn the new 3D stuff in Vegas 10.0d.

By the time I get all that done, I'll be ready for the new 3D camcorder.

I feel real good now about not going for the JVC now that I had lots of time demoing both. I think you'll be pleased with having waited for the Sony.




Thanks don i am doing these things.

1.checking email and sony style store every hour. Lol
2. drinking beer.
3.drinking more beer .lol


I dont edit stuff as i find those programs way way too tuff for me.To much stuff going on. So i will drink beer check emails and point shoot and watch.
post #103 of 1567
At least with Amazon, I'll get an e-mail when they ship. Don't need to keep checking as I have you and the Amazon e-mails. Thanks!
post #104 of 1567
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Originally Posted by icerat4 View Post
Thanks don i am doing these things.

1.checking email and sony style store every hour. Lol
2. drinking beer.
3.drinking more beer .lol


I dont edit stuff as i find those programs way way too tuff for me.To much stuff going on. So i will drink beer check emails and point shoot and watch.
Am I assuming correctly that the beer strategy also obviates any complaints from your beer supplied captive audiences with regard to their watching your unedited content?
post #105 of 1567
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Am I assuming correctly that the beer strategy also obviates any complaints from your beer supplied captive audiences with regard to their watching your unedited content?

Yea what he said. Blahhh No NEW News yet. Don just a bunch of spam mail. Lol so far. You guys here will be the absolute first to know. unedited vids to follow ekkkks
post #106 of 1567
Looks like the Sony MHS-FS3 3D Bloggie is facing the same fate as the HDR-TD10 3D Handycam - backordered. The 3D Bloggie was set to be released the 20th of April. I'm hoping the TD10 is available before Memorial Day, there's already a few events I was anxious to capture in 3D HD; I feel that I won't get it in time for National Train Day.
post #107 of 1567
Sony Delays Launch of 3D Camcorder Due to Parts Shortage (via PCWorld)

By Martyn Williams, IDG News Apr 20, 2011 11:40 pm

Sony is delaying the launch of its 3D Handycam video camera by roughly a month due to difficulty securing parts following the March 11 earthquake in Japan.

The magnitude 9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami halted factories and disrupted the distribution networks and supply chains on which Japanese electronics makers rely. For Sony, the knock-on effect of this disruption has been a shortage of at least one component for the new camcorders.

A Sony spokesman wouldn't elaborate on the component or components in question.

The camcorder was previously due to launch this month, but will now be available in Japan from May 13. Revised launch dates for other markets were not immediately available from the company's headquarters in Tokyo.

The HDR-TD10 Handycam was first unveiled at January's International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas and is distinctive for its dual lenses. Behind the lenses are dual image sensors and processors, which add to the complexity and bulk of the camcorder but, according to Sony, result in a superior picture compared to single-lens 3D camcorders.

Other features include a screen that shows 3D images without the need for special glasses. (Video of the camcorder on show at CES is available on YouTube.)

In the U.S., the camcorder will cost around US$1,500.

It's the second Sony group announcement this week of quake-related disruptions to product plans. On Tuesday, Sony Ericsson said it faces difficulty obtaining some parts for high-end cell phones due to the earthquake. As a result, supplies of its flagship Xperia Arc, Xperia Play and Xperia Neo phones will be affected in the current quarter.

Martyn Williams covers Japan and general technology breaking news for The IDG News Service. Follow Martyn on Twitter at @martyn_williams. Martyn's e-mail address is martyn_williams@idg.com
post #108 of 1567
may 15th maybe huh. how long after japan release do we see stuff.
post #109 of 1567
Interesting!

So it appears the talking point at NAB that the TD10 was all in stock at Sony US warehouses ready to ship and was not affected by the disaster in Japan was all a lie.
Something doesn't add up here.
If Sony knew they would not be able to ship due to the disaster causing supply shortages, why did they fabricate such an outrageous lie, knowing all along that in a few days the lie would be exposed? It is unlike Sony to operate this way. I've seen Sony be arrogant but they never resorted to outrageous lies. So, either the article has fabricated some reasons for the delay or Sony is in much bigger trouble than we were led to believe.
post #110 of 1567
I'm still going to believe that Sony should be able to deliver on the camcorder early next month. When I tried searching news articles concerning the whereabouts of the TD10, that one article by IDG posted via PCWorld came up. Let's wait to see if there are any more sources of news about this delay. The earthquake happened 11 March 2011 and the camcorder was to go on sale the 15th April 2011; goods gets shipped by sea over the Pacific, which takes about a month, so Sony has to have had some TD10s out of Japan before the earthquake.

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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Interesting!

So it appears the talking point at NAB that the TD10 was all in stock at Sony US warehouses ready to ship and was not affected by the disaster in Japan was all a lie.
Something doesn't add up here.
If Sony knew they would not be able to ship due to the disaster causing supply shortages, why did they fabricate such an outrageous lie, knowing all along that in a few days the lie would be exposed? It is unlike Sony to operate this way. I've seen Sony be arrogant but they never resorted to outrageous lies. So, either the article has fabricated some reasons for the delay or Sony is in much bigger trouble than we were led to believe.
post #111 of 1567
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Interesting!

So it appears the talking point at NAB that the TD10 was all in stock at Sony US warehouses ready to ship and was not affected by the disaster in Japan was all a lie.
Something doesn't add up here.
If Sony knew they would not be able to ship due to the disaster causing supply shortages, why did they fabricate such an outrageous lie, knowing all along that in a few days the lie would be exposed? It is unlike Sony to operate this way. I've seen Sony be arrogant but they never resorted to outrageous lies. So, either the article has fabricated some reasons for the delay or Sony is in much bigger trouble than we were led to believe.





O i belive sony lied for sure don. You should have seen the emails and ******** and lies i went thru when i originally order this cam back in feb, There overseas outsource support is just horrible.And i think it stems to the top dogs.Great products Nasty support.Yes after all was said and done 1 month later .I got an awesome deal on the cam. Thanks Sony. NOW IF I EVER GET IT is another story Lol
post #112 of 1567
Hasn't been my experience with Sony, ever! Like I said they have been arrogant at times with "the truth" but never lied to my face. Of course, please understand that I don't equate a statement made from ignorance a lie. Some employees, do speak inappropriately but usually that is an isolated case. In this case, I was told by several reps on different days the exact same talking point. The same is true for the release of Vegas 10.0d which was to go out on the 20th. But on the 20th an unforeseen event happened that was not considered at NAB which was the entire Sony Stores Intranet was brought down by hackers. This was an admitted act of terrorism targeted at Sony. So, I still give Sony the benefit of the doubt here, otherwise if it is true that Sony fabricated a laundry list of lies at NAB as a company policy, why should we every buy anything from them again?

BTW- I won a free copy of Sony Vegas Pro at NAB. As you can see I have mixed, confused feelings about all this.

I have no intention on buying the JVC after comparing the two and how they operate. While the output is about equal the user ergonomics and operation quality is far superior on the Sony. When this is all behind us, we will be glad we waited for the Sony. Today, the only advantage I see for the JVC is you can buy it. For some this will outweigh all other advantages of the Sony.
post #113 of 1567
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

I have no intention on buying the JVC after comparing the two and how they operate. While the output is about equal the user ergonomics and operation quality is far superior on the Sony. When this is all behind us, we will be glad we waited for the Sony. Today, the only advantage I see for the JVC is you can buy it. For some this will outweigh all other advantages of the Sony.

The Sony must be great since I've used the JVC for a month now and it's truly a fantastic piece of kit. I wanted to do a comparison with Sony, but Sony Finland said they have not received a single camera, and have currently no idea when to expect a delivery from Japan. They listed the earthquake as the reason for delays and uncertainty.
post #114 of 1567
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Interesting!

So it appears the talking point at NAB that the TD10 was all in stock at Sony US warehouses ready to ship and was not affected by the disaster in Japan was all a lie.
Something doesn't add up here.
If Sony knew they would not be able to ship due to the disaster causing supply shortages, why did they fabricate such an outrageous lie, knowing all along that in a few days the lie would be exposed? It is unlike Sony to operate this way. I've seen Sony be arrogant but they never resorted to outrageous lies. So, either the article has fabricated some reasons for the delay or Sony is in much bigger trouble than we were led to believe.


Reading between the lines I think something else is really going on here. I believe it is very likely that we do have product here in the U.S. that could go out now, but it is being purposely held by the parent headquarters in Japan because the camcorders destined for their domestic market are in fact being impacted by the part supply problem. I believe Sony in Japan does not want the U.S. to have the camcorders available first for the retail market for various reasons which may include corporate image issues as well as the fact that typically the price is much higher in Japan and there would be a likely influx of re-imported camcorders coming back to Japan incurring a loss in sales and profits for the distributors and retailers in Japan. For what it is worth when I tried to redo my pre-order on Amazon (to take advantage of a recent promo) I was told that the system already showed I had a pre-order and that these units were being limited to one per customer.
post #115 of 1567
To bad we dont have a sony rep come here and give us the low down. Either way just to clear the air. This seems to be a big web page sight. One would figure they would be here to support there products.Hell jvc had chris doing all he could do with the jvc cam. Id like to know how many people here actually have this cam on order already. Anyone know how to do a poll here .
post #116 of 1567
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

Reading between the lines I think something else is really going on here. I believe it is very likely that we do have product here in the U.S. that could go out now, but it is being purposely held by the parent headquarters in Japan because the camcorders destined for their domestic market are in fact being impacted by the part supply problem. I believe Sony in Japan does not want the U.S. to have the camcorders available first for the retail market for various reasons which may include corporate image issues as well as the fact that typically the price is much higher in Japan and there would be a likely influx of re-imported camcorders coming back to Japan incurring a loss in sales and profits for the distributors and retailers in Japan. For what it is worth when I tried to redo my pre-order on Amazon (to take advantage of a recent promo) I was told that the system already showed I had a pre-order and that these units were being limited to one per customer.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I know of two people (camera and video equipment resellers in NY) who have received the camera. (2 total). One guy even sent me a copy of the manual. I tried to buy his camera but he refused.

Releasing the camera in one country and not others would be a really bad PR problem, and it would not be the first time a messed up distribution plan delayed a product launch. If it was a matter of "one part," they could have the part(s) flown in and the distribution could start immediately. After the lies from the nuclear facility, who knows, maybe I'll get a 3D X-Ray camera!!

Max
post #117 of 1567
It would make sense for Japan to receive products originating in their country before North America; this practice was seen in the past with the various Sony Playstation consoles sold in Japan weeks and months before the US, same with Nintendo - except for the Wii, which was released in the US two to three weeks before Japan.
post #118 of 1567
Not out here in Japan yet, I been checking around.
post #119 of 1567
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I think you hit the nail on the head. I know of two people (camera and video equipment resellers in NY) who have received the camera. (2 total). One guy even sent me a copy of the manual. I tried to buy his camera but he refused.

Releasing the camera in one country and not others would be a really bad PR problem, and it would not be the first time a messed up distribution plan delayed a product launch. If it was a matter of "one part," they could have the part(s) flown in and the distribution could start immediately. After the lies from the nuclear facility, who knows, maybe I'll get a 3D X-Ray camera!!

Max

It is also possible that a bug has been detected and the cameras are being delayed until a software fix is available. I know Pioneer (or at least others in the supply chain) interruped their release of at least one of their AV receivers for 2011 that had already hit retailers just a week or two ago to fix a software bug as my local Best Buy sent back the four AV units they had received. The last thing Sony would want is for their new product to be subject of massive returns and a rumored recall. In Pioneer's case they claim that a simple firmware update will take care of the problem and have had to dispel rumors that their product is subject of a recall.
post #120 of 1567
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

It is also possible that a bug has been detected and the cameras are being delayed until a software fix is available. I know Pioneer (or at least others in the supply chain) interruped their release of at least one of their AV receivers for 2011 that had already hit retailers just a week or two ago to fix a software bug as my local Best Buy sent back the four AV units they had received. The last thing Sony would want is for their new product to be subject of massive returns and a rumored recall. In Pioneer's case they claim that a simple firmware update will take care of the problem and have had to dispel rumors that their product is subject of a recall.

That may be it!! I was thinking the very same thing. You could tell after viewing the famous YouTube interview at the show in Vegas that the Sony spokesperson was very coy about editing, saying the camera "should be only for fun." Who the hell tries to sell a $1,500 camera by saying its for "fun only." The guy I spoke to who got a camera a few weeks ago, said he could not edit / transfer the footage using the supplied software and was seeking help in a technical editing forum. That is how I found him. It could be a combination of things, but it's too bad Sony cannot be honest and just tell everyone what the delay is from. I am guessing it will be at least three weeks, maybe four, given two weeks to assemble (or fix), then ship and distribute. But who knows, it might be out next week...lol

W.
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