Originally Posted by Barry C
Here's an additional frustrating 3d twist for you. I have just updated Power DVD 12 with the patch too and mine plays back mp4 and AVCHD 3ds, in 3d, just fine- 24p of course. I don't know if it makes any difference that I am using Nvidia 3d Vision on my system- non passive- but who knows. It might be worth a try to delete and reinstall the Power DVD software.
On another note, the term red headed step child has real significance when dealing with these 3d editing programs. You have been going through the frustration with this for quite awhile. I am now getting a taste of it. I was unhappy to discover that- what I'm sure you were already well aware of- Media Browser will only let you produce disks of the edited workflow. Once edited- correct me if I am wrong- it can't even be played back in Media Browser 3d Player, but only burned to disk. Once edited, it also can't even be output to an SD card. It only lets you output raw files to SD. As my intent was to stream edited content directly to a projector, this really sucks. It would seem that I'm going to be forced to burn everything edited from Media Browser to disk. And of course, Power Director can't edit the AVCHD 3d files yet and screws up mp4s. And, even if it would edit the AVCHDs, Power DVD will only play them at 24p. Wow, what a quagmire!!
For what its worth, on the premise that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, I sent a bitch request to Cyber Link support yesterday outlining these issues. It probably won't do any good, but I'll let you know if I get any encouraging feedback from them.
By the way, is it just me or have you noticed that the TD1 picture is unacceptably soft at 1/30th of a second? Also, can you tell me whether AVCHD 3d, on the TD1 is 60i or 30p? I know that the mp4 is 60i but am not sure what the AVCHD is.
Since my underwater housing has now arrived, and with the knowledge that if something happens to the TD1 I- which of course has now been discontinued- I will be stuck with a housing which can only be used as a $1,400. paper weight, I just ordered a second new TD1 from a reputable eBay vendor in Japan. The price was $659 including shipping. I of course realize that I won't have the US warranty but if it works well out of the box I'm not really too worried about it. If not, I have 14 days to return it. For the price, the redundancy is comforting.
I'm going to do a re-install of PowerDVD 12. It's not just on my passive set, though. I can't get 60i raw 3D clips to play on my Epson projector, either, from one of my home theater PCs. Things are still a mess right now with 3D.
You can edit a movie in MediaBrowser (trim heads and tails, add transitions, add music and titles). MB exports the edited video to a folder on the hard drive (as an ".mbt" file). That edited movie can then be played back in the MediaBrowser editor or player in 3D (on a passive display). It sits in the software library as a recently edited movie. That movie can also be pulled back into the MediaBrowser editor and exported to an AVCHD 3D disc, along with other clips or additional edited movies. Earlier today I created a compilation of various TD1 edited movies, plus a video made from still 3D shots taken with my Fuji W3 (also edited as a movie in MB). The disc plays just fine in my Sony 480 player. The software even adds chapter points to all the edited videos. At each place where clips are added, you get a separate chapter. And each edited movie has its own set of chapters. So, if you edit 3 movies in MB, then put them together into a larger movie, you'll get 3 separate m2ts files on the AVCHD 3D disc that have their own set of chapters, based on the original clips (or stills) that you used. But it all plays seamlessly from the disc as a single video. I went three generations deep on these edits (a copy of a copy) and the edited video looked as good as the original. There was no re-encoding going on, just straight copying of the original video except where transitions and titles were added on the original edit. And those fades/titles did not seem to degrade the video at all. I believe that this is the most pristine looking edited TD1 video possible at this point. Of course, as editing software goes, it's just about as primitive as it gets. Corrections are impossible. You're not going to use this software to create a polished 3D video. Still, it's a start. One of these days, maybe, the more "advanced" software will be able to do the same thing. So far, we've been teased with the beautiful quality these little camcorders can produce, only to have it ripped away at the editing stage. It doesn't work that way for 2D video.
I haven't done any shooting specifically at 1/30th of a second. The lower the light, the softer the image gets in general. I don't shoot much in low light, fortunately. The TD1 shoots only at 60i, in 3D and 2D. There are no progressive modes at all. The HMZ1 adds 24p capability. I plan to shoot most things at 24p, especially my more serious projects, to avoid the whole 60i to 24p conversion problem, and so that I can go directly to regular Blu-ray 3D instead of AVCHD 3D discs. I can live with more juddery video for most of the kinds of subject matter I shoot.
Here's an interesting tidbit I learned today. Edius sees the m2ts files that MediaBrowser burns to the AVCHD 3D disc as 60i 3D. I can pull them in and edit them normally, in the original quality. (Vegas doesn't see them as 3D.) Tomorrow I'll try to export these files from Edius back out to an SD card as AVCHD 3D. If it's true to form, though, it'll re-encode the video (while taking forever) and degrade the image quality dramatically, just as PowerDirector does. This makes no sense to me from any practical standpoint, unless these software makers simply can't do it for legal reasons.