JVC GS-TD1 3D-Capable Camcorder - Page 66

Good luck burning a disc - I'm getting error #5 and there are a lot of Google hits for that error. The program reports that I don't have enough store space. Considering I have over 100GB free on the rendering drive and 150GB free on the boot SSD, that seems hard to believe. So, I'm trying to track down the reason for this error while I'm rendering with PD11 (made the jump from PD10).

The other funny thing was that I got an email back from DVDLogic regarding their EasyBD software. They essentially said that they don't have any 3D capabilities at this time but I could always use DoStudio or Scenarist to compile the menus. If I had those, of course, I wouldn't have needed EasyBD, but it was nice that they responded back.

I'm finding that Edius Pro has one giant advantage to it - it's stable and well programmed. Wish the others were as good.
Edited by alk3997 - 11/10/12 at 3:27pm

After a frustrating Saturday afternoon of video programs hanging and giving strange errors, I decided to try an experiment. I installed a dual-boot of Windows 7 32-bit and Windows 7 64-bit. So far the results are encoraging with PD11 actually fully creating a 3D menu structure (which it would not do with the Canopus files on the 32-bit side - terminated at 20% progress with 32-bit W7).

I'm slowing going through the programs to see which ones I can transfer to the 64-bit side. Some of the drivers I know will prevent me transferring their associated programs but hopefully the amount remaining in the 32-bit world will be small.

I'm going to work on Magix Pro X4 next.

For MVC, both PD11 and Magix successfully created an iso. I burned the Magix this morning but have not had time to look at it yet (this evening, hopefully). I'll then take a look at the PD11 burn.

With Win 7-64, I've been pleased with the stability of PD11 and Magix for rendering the Canopus 3D files out of Edius.

I've been learning PowerDirector 11, the way I should have learned PD10. You can manipulate the bitrate with 3D MVC files. You have to create a custom template under the "Produce" tab. Then when you create your image under the "Disc" tab, PD11 will use the selection you made. I'm confirming that with a test burn right now. Earlier I had left "Produce" as 2D and ended up with a disc with 3D menus and 2D content. That was
"different" since the content wouldn't play (probably still had something set to 3D on the 2D files).

Also there are ways to make more-custom 3D menus. You can find out more at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ZU40cJvJ0

Skip over the commercial at the beginning.

Hopefully the 3D content will look as good as Vegas Pro's output (I hate to give them a plug) with the ABR set to 25mbps.

It's interesting with PD11. The more I read the tutorial, the more options become available. The one fairly rigid thing seems to be the number of menus in the menu structure. But, the number of items on each menu is fairly flexible. 3D really is just an extension of the 2D work (but two options have to be enabled for 3D).

I think I accidentally encoded the original Canopus files onto the disc, which I didn't think was possible. So, I'm redo'ing the disc again. Whatever I encoded, the projector sure didn't understand. I had a good 3D menu and then playing the main title resulted in the no-signal blue screen with a non-recognized format indicated.

I'm comfortable that I'll have a good menu-based 3D creation when I'm done. It's a question of how good? The same with the audio - I believe I can get DTS 5.1 (not as good as LPCM but much better than Dolby Digital) when I'm done but haven't quite gotten there yet.

It's a good after work project and I'll make sure to append a more detailed workflow once I have it confirmed as working.

BTW, Wolfgang and you were absolutely right in how much of an improvement using the 64-bit O/S would be. It just took me a while to figure out that a dual boot setup would solve my 32-bit headache. Helps to have 8GB of memory, too.

I'm still coming up with incompatible video with the high MVC video rates. So, I've made some small (5 minute) test videos I'm going to try to use to debug. I've got 3D menus now. I used to have 3D video. Now, if I can just combine the two onto one disc...

Success! - I finally have a 3D menu-based MVC Blu-Ray disc. The video to my eyes looks reasonably close to Vegas Pro's output (not sure if I can really tell with a wedding). Here's my experimental workflow. There are ways to improve the workflow, but this one I'm sure works: I still have to confirm that the resultant MVC file is 25 mbps and not the default.

1) Import into Edius Pro, perform all editing and convert to 24Hz Canopus HDX files in Edius.

2) One time item in PD11 - Prior to importing any files, go to "Produce", then select "H.264 AVC". Select the 16mbps 24Hz selection from the Profile Name drop down. Press the + button shown to the right of the profile name. Go to the video tab and change the average bitrate to 25000 kbps. Make any other changes in video and audio tabs and then change the profile name and press the "OK" button. You now have a custom built profile.

3) In PD11, go to the disc menu and add the video files created in Edius Pro (Canopus HDX files). Add them in the order you would like to see them on the disc or move them around after loading the files.

4) Highlight one of the video files in the upper left window and go to the Produce tab. Click on "3D". Select H.264 AVC, then H.264 Multi-View Coding for the output type. Select a Profile Type of "Custom" and then select the profile created in Step 2.

5) Change the "Output Location" of the Production in the lower section of the window. PD11 will produce the first file as "Produce" and the second file as "Produce_0", unless you rename the files.

6) Press the start button and allow rendering to occur. Afterwards repeat steps 4-6 with the next file until all video files have been produced.

7) Go to the Disc tab and delete the names of the files you previously added. Add instead the newly created "Produce" files. These are now rendered with the higher bitrate.

8) Update the menus with menu preferences

9) Select 3D Disc and then select "H.264" for encoding type and "HD 1920x1080/3D" for the quality. Select 3D-BD for the output format. Press the "Burn to 3D" button to start. I usually just make an M2TS file and then use Imgburn (twice) to first create and .iso file and then burn the .iso fille to disc.

Notes: The Preview in PD11 will show the menu in normal 3D but for some reason the higher bitrate files look like partial 3D screens. Not sure of the cause of the preview problem but the disc is burned correctly.

When going from the 3D menu to the 3D video, the projector is indicating that it still gets 2D frames in between. So, please compensate for the delay in getting a picture when the 3D BD starts playing the program.

I've done this workflow with two 5-minute test files. Those worked fine. I'll try the next burn with the full length files.

Now that I have everything working, I'll try some experiments with the Canopus output to see how the different options end up looking.

My first attempts were with two 5-minute files and that was still 1.5 GB. Really what I want to confirm is the output format. It looks like for about 50 minutes of 3D video with three 3D menus with motion video, PD11 is going to take about 44 minutes to generate the BD folder which is 12GB in length. This is 2GB bigger than when I had tried this with the "standard bitrate" 24Hz files, which is a good sign. But, I still haven't confirmed if PD11 disc burn is re-rendering the high bit rate files or using as-is. However, the results look good on a 114-inch screen, so maybe that is a good enough answer.

This burn is the first that I'm trying the DTS encoder from PD11. Normally I use a stand-alone DTS encoder, so it should be interesting to hear how this version turns out, as well.
Edited by alk3997 - 11/16/12 at 6:21am