DTS Neo.X - Page 14

The 4520 is the replacement for the 5308 and 4311. Since there wasn't much difference between their high end offerings, they consolidated them into a single receiver.

I disagree with your definition of flagship. Flagship indicates top of the line model. The 4520 is the current Denon flagship.

Honey, I shrunk the flagship!

LOL
Hope you can take a joke...

BTW, can't you still buy the AVP and the AVC? Because the AVC doesn't have a FM tuner, this doesn't disqualify it...

http://www.denon.co.uk/uk/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=HomeTheatre&SubId=AVAmplifiers&ProductId=AVCA1HDA

Is it their economy that matters?

I'd think the U.S. market for their products dwarfs theirs.

Here is a second independent observation that the new 3010 runs cooler than previous easy-bake ovens.
This is actually goods news. Further the 3010/5010 outputs considerable more power than the new Denon 4520 even though they have similar power ratings:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430358/done-with-denon-suggestions-needed-please/90#post_22477862

I hope Onkyo is on a roll with less heat and improved reliability.
Edited by HiFiFun - 10/9/12 at 8:18pm

Of course it matters. Why would those companies putting all the money on the R&D team and produce something that almost no one would buy, while they are losing big money every year since 2007? Mind you that Onkyo and Sony's last "flagship" models came out 7 years ago, the most recent release was Pioneer's SC09, which came out 4 years ago. These monster receivers are things in the past now, like it or not.

+ There is the matter that the US economy isn't actually in a healthy state and same for most of EU. So the three main markets for AVR's are in bad shape. But all in all, I think devices such as the Denon AVP will always have an audience. Folks who buy that (although being a small minority) are less affected by the crisis then the "normal" people...

Do any of you have pictures of your 11.1 set up?

I do have a Noctua 120mm silent fan pulling air out the top of the receiver, but it never gets more than just warm. The 3010 also has two fans in it, but they have never turned on for me.

This is what it looked like when I initially set it up. I've moved the wides a little since then.

Yes I hope Dolby Reease it and I bet you Onkyo will be the first one to incorporate it as well along with DTS MDA Multi Dimensional Audio. I won't relace my SSP-800 until these technologies are incorporated in HT pre/pros end of 2013 according to DTS CEO. " SRS Labs Wins Prestigious TechAmerica Innovations Award for Multi-Dimensional Audio (MDA) Platform"

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http://www.srslabs.com/landing.aspx?id=2459

http://www.prosoundnewseurope.com/newsletteraudio4broadcast-content/full/dts-plans-3d-audio-future-with-srs-acquisition

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120619005888/en/SRS-Labs-Wins-Prestigious-TechAmerica-Innovations-Award

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2012/05/16/3d-audio-update-srs

I am not sure Dolby is planning to bring Atmos to the home any time soon but fear of DTS MDA might change their minds.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/future-surround-sound?page=0,0

im currently in the process of 11.1 (maybe 2) 'ing up HT got as far as the wides, the 5010 and the height should arrive soon

Nice job!

A hometheaterhifi review from last July further confirms that Onkyo made a huge change is turning down the heat yet keeping the same or better sound quality:
"All of the prior Integra receivers I've reviewed generated significant heat from the top panel, to the point that on some products it was uncomfortable to leave a hand there. However, the DTR 50.3 ran significantly cooler than prior models. The top panel never felt more than slightly warm to the touch."

** This is major good news ***

I find it amazing the Onkyo mentality here at AVS which has no basis in logic, rhyme or reason. That is while Onkyo generated components excessive heat for years, there were hugely popular threads here. I spoke up but to no avail. Then all sorts of reliability issues cropped up, a process which took years to "sink-in". Now there is hardly anyone left, except those with overcooked cabinets. Even the "fan"boys here got "burnt-out" defending the impossible.
Obviously the root source was a very "powerful" VP at Onyko in Japan who melted, obviously about a year ago.

This situation should serve is an excellent example of normally intelligent consumers making unsound choices and going down the wrong path. All you will get is expensive headaches.
Looking back energy efficiency regulations for receivers (like for TV's and appliances) would have cleaned up this sorry, festering mess years ago.

Now with much less heat generated, the very latest Onkyo receiver reliability should improve.

No one will announce that "Onkyo Receivers Now Generate Much Less Heat!" because that would be a tactic admission that there was indeed a problem.

However should i buy a 3010? Maybe, but I'm concerned that Amazon has 5-6 returns. That and last years Easy-Bake-Ovens (3009, 5009) are 50% off.
Edited by HiFiFun - 10/12/12 at 3:51am

Responding to myself...

From this engadget com (link): It appears that The Expendables 2 Blu-ray (which ships November 20th) will be the first one with 11.1 channel DTS Neo:X audio (to be followed by Step Up Revolution, also from Lionsgate). From the lack of contrary details, this is presumably the long anticipated DTS-HDMA 7.1 Standard encode with 4 channel Heights-plus-Wides content near-discrete matrixed inside...?

A "Press Release" for The Expendables 2 includes the description: Blu-ray Audio Status: 11.1 NEO-X, 7.1 DTS HD-MA, Spanish 5.1 Dolby Digital and English 2.0 Dolby Digital

I guess the next step would be for Dolby to start matrixing 'near discrete' height content for DPLIIz into TrueHD soundtracks...?!
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Edited by SoundChex - 10/13/12 at 11:45am

Wonderfull stuff ; all thats needed is for the next onkyo to get auro3d decoding and all current bases [bd discs at least] are covered Its fascinating the links between datasat [ex dts] ; dts ; barco cinema installations and the datasat RS20i. Its usual new codecs come from the cinema so how this will all pan out who knows ?
http://www.2l.no/e-book/2L090.pdf

http://www.auro-technologies.com/

The DATASAT RS20i will supposedly gain both DTS Neo:X post-processing and Auro-3D decoding capabilities "in the near future", although it remains to be seen to what extent Auro-3D decoding plus AuroMatic upmixing and DTS Neo:X expansion might be applied sequentially-and-cumulatively...?


If we could "combine" the Auro-3D 10.1 speaker configuration . . .




. . . and the DTS Neo:X 11.1 speaker configuration . . .




. . . we might get the imm sound 14.1 channel configuration . . .



. . . if it were instead implemented with only one speaker per channel . . . rather than the arrays|clusters of 2|3|4 speakers per channel used in the example theatrical venue shown!


This was the minimum 'small theater' configuration imm sound recommended for object audio playback . . . before it became a 'wholly digested subsidiary' of Dolby [Atmos]...?!

Although my personal preference would be to substitute a Height Front Center speaker for the Top Center Overhead speaker...?!
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Edited by SoundChex - 10/15/12 at 1:44pm

Thats some nice mathematical deduction Soundchex As long as object based codecs succeed [ and adaptive rendering ] I hope there is more " leeway" as to where the speakers are situated .for each situation . If I had the room the "voice of god" speaker would be my 2nd choice to a HFC too Something like" the tuskegee airmen" with B24's at different altitudes - sound panning in different directions would be very nice ..

From a 4/12/2009 techradar com interview with DTS about Neo:X, "DTS interview: 11.1 setups, Blu-ray and speaking to Spielberg" (link):
Chip speed increases since 2009 probably mean that (say) DTS Neo:X 14.1 would be quite feasible today.

So it would likely be at least conceptually straightforward to have a processor decode an Auro-3D 9.1 soundtrack (link) and subsequently apply DTS Neo:X 14.1 post-processing expansion...?!
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Edited by SoundChex - 10/16/12 at 11:20am

Please stop - your doing my head in May have to switch to active speakers ; no room for all the power amps

The NHK-JEITA 8K4K TV exhibit at CEATEC Japan 2012 last week appears intended to show the room geometry feasibility of including an SHV display plus 22.x speakers in an "average family living room" circa 2020.

If the fictional family from that exhibit could find room for (say) two 12 x 50W power amp chassis (no doubt hidden behind the false wall) . . . then I'm sure you'll find room to include them in your own setup!



Note that the 22.x(?) speaker config at the show is apparently a "DSP processing" variation from the nominal Hamasaki 22.x layout occasioned by the need to apply "Dialogue Lift" compensation consequent to use of a direct view display . . . and the missing ceiling!
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Edited by SoundChex - 10/16/12 at 11:47pm

Cool they look like pro line array speakers, if they are powered speakers you have no need for additional boxes

For example using 22 Dynaudio DBM50 active desktop monitor featuring a 7.1” woofer and a 1.1” soft dome tweeter. Hand-built in Denmark.
http://dynaudioprofessional.com/

+1

Here you are:

Pioneer Elite SC-68
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/SC-68

Onkyo flagship TX-NR5010 is 11.4 channel DTS Neo:X support with 11 pairs gold-plated speaker terminals and, nine internal amps. It will cost you $3,000

Integra DTR-70.4 supports 11.1 channel processing with DTS Neo:X by using an external amplifier for the extra channels.

Denon AVR-4520CI 9.2 channel receiver. The AVR-4520CI supports 11.2 Audyssey DSX and DTS NEO:X processing and can drive a full 11.2 channel system with the addition of a two channel external amplifier. The receiver also includes Audyssey MultEQ XT32 processing, 7 HDMI inputs, and three HDMI multi-zone outputs.

Cool report: http://cave.hometheaterhifi.com/profiles/blogs/2012-cedia-show-report-robert-kozel

I am looking just for a pre/pro with the same capability supposedly the Marantz 8001

The Onkyo 3010 also has 11.2 Neo:X with DSX, etc. No need to go to the flagship Onkyo to get it.

Yes they really understand that customers want features and up to date technology the TX-NR818 also get it with 11.2 Multichannel Pre-Outs

"Three mind-blowing sound expansion systems are included—Audyssey DSX®, DTS Neo:X™, and Dolby® Pro Logic® IIz—assisted by Audyssey MultEQ XT32 room correction. " I am seriously considering this to replace my aging Integra RDA-7

My comment was posted from way before

Have my sights set on the Marantz or Onkyo Pre/Pro :P

Hmm ; your right ; I could squeeze some small form factor class d's and lose the '' dialogue lift ''dsp with an AT screen and hidden l/c/r speakers
Whats the chance of projectors sprouting a few vertical drivers someday . Some current epsons have some ;just 90 degrees out of whack and not the best environment -scratch that thought

Those active dynaudios wse mentioned look nice ... match my audience5 back surrounds

Careful...I'm pretty sure the 818 does not have the signal processing to make all 11 channels active at the same time on the pre-outs. In fact, I'm not even sure it can do 9 channels at once.

Do we have contact with a mole from within that industry?

The 818 cannot do 11 channels at once - only 9.