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post #421 of 907
10/19/12 at 8:25am
The CEO OF DTS said that we should see MDA in receiver by the end of 2013 biggrin.gif

Therefore, I am just waiting until I pluck down $3000 for a new pre/pro
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post #422 of 907
10/19/12 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

The CEO OF DTS said that we should see MDA in receiver by the end of 2013 biggrin.gif
Therefore, I am just waiting until I pluck down $3000 for a new pre/pro

What year are you expecting that MDA based movie (disc) content will arrive? cool.gif
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post #423 of 907
10/19/12 at 7:45pm
Hopefully 2014 Blu Ray 4K wink.gif
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post #424 of 907
10/20/12 at 5:44am
This years' crop of upper end AVR's had the "additional" features of 4K pass thru and DTS, Neo:X. I did not see anything I "absolutely had to have" and I noticed many members/posters here have been also less than enthusiastic to upgrade this year. (Cost/benefit ratios weren't high enough to get many people to part with their hard earned cash for marginal upgrade in capability). MDA sounds like it has the potential to fire up some enthusiasm and open some wallets when it does become available. I would expect MDA to be received with enthusiasm for those who have gone past the typical 7.1 system already, but I can already hear more of the arguements about "ripping off"consumers forcing them to buy more speakers! eek.gif DTS together with SRS has potential to give the full 3Dsurround sound experience without requiring a second mortgage to obtain all them speakers! But hey! If ya got 'em, no harm in using them! 2014 looks like it may be a good year to plan on the next upgrade!cool.gif
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post #425 of 907
10/20/12 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by AVTrauma View Post

This years' crop of upper end AVR's had the "additional" features of 4K pass thru and DTS, Neo:X. I did not see anything I "absolutely had to have" and I noticed many members/posters here have been also less than enthusiastic to upgrade this year. (Cost/benefit ratios weren't high enough to get many people to part with their hard earned cash for marginal upgrade in capability). MDA sounds like it has the potential to fire up some enthusiasm and open some wallets when it does become available. I would expect MDA to be received with enthusiasm for those who have gone past the typical 7.1 system already, but I can already hear more of the arguements about "ripping off"consumers forcing them to buy more speakers! eek.gif DTS together with SRS has potential to give the full 3Dsurround sound experience without requiring a second mortgage to obtain all them speakers! But hey! If ya got 'em, no harm in using them! 2014 looks like it may be a good year to plan on the next upgrade!cool.gif

I agree 100% 2014 hopefully MDA and DOLBY ATMOS will appear in pre/pros then it will be worth it , I started saving for a few more speakers smile.gif
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post #426 of 907
10/20/12 at 8:55am
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I agree 100% 2014 hopefully MDA and DOLBY ATMOS will appear in pre/pros then it will be worth it , I started saving for a few more speakers smile.gif

 

I just added height and width speakers to upgrade to 11.2 from my current 7.1,  and have been waiting to pull the trigger on the Denon 4520 debating waiting until MDA is available in 2014 and hopefully encoded in movie blurays.  But the sonic benefits going from my Onkyo 805 to the 4520, for SubEQ for 2 subs, XT32 for room correction, the DTS Neo for the height and wides and back surrounds...I know , I know, it's only matrixed sound, and like the back surrounds which are for the most movies are matrixed also and effects are subtle, but for scifi/action/horror when it works well it really does add to 'immersion' and enjoyment.  I really like the idea of object based soundtrack that can allow for additional speaker placement , but in my 19x14x8  theater room, I'm not sure how many more speakers would actually add to that immersion feeling in a smaller room, beyond the locations of my speakers already. I guess I could add front heights closer to the front wall and back heights towards the back wall, and maybe wide high and or high side surrounds, but would it really make it all sound more realistic?

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post #427 of 907
10/20/12 at 10:52am
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I just added height and width speakers to upgrade to 11.2 from my current 7.1,  and have been waiting to pull the trigger on the Denon 4520 debating waiting until MDA is available in 2014 and hopefully encoded in movie blurays.  But the sonic benefits going from my Onkyo 805 to the 4520, for SubEQ for 2 subs, XT32 for room correction, the DTS Neo for the height and wides and back surrounds...I know , I know, it's only matrixed sound, and like the back surrounds which are for the most movies are matrixed also and effects are subtle, but for scifi/action/horror when it works well it really does add to 'immersion' and enjoyment.  I really like the idea of object based soundtrack that can allow for additional speaker placement , but in my 19x14x8  theater room, I'm not sure how many more speakers would actually add to that immersion feeling in a smaller room, beyond the locations of my speakers already. I guess I could add front heights closer to the front wall and back heights towards the back wall, and maybe wide high and or high side surrounds, but would it really make it all sound more realistic?

Nice, I have the Classe SSP-800 and 7.2. for me I am waiting until MDA & Dolby Atmos are working and incorporated in per/pros. Then I will see, in the mean time I am planning to upgrade my center channel to a B&W 800 Diamond and get an additional pair of 805D. That will bring me to 11. 2 and that will be enough. smile.gif
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post #428 of 907
11/7/12 at 7:56pm
11.4 is all I can afford after that I am broke biggrin.gif
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post #429 of 907
11/8/12 at 11:24am
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11.4 is all I can afford after that I am broke biggrin.gif
Naah!
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post #430 of 907
11/20/12 at 4:08am
Im putting up some height & wide speakers but I only have a choice of 2 locations for the heights. if I go directly above my fronts they would have to be mounted on the wall which means they will be behind a (motorized) non acoustic projector screen. Of if I mount them in front of the projector screen they will be slightly wider than the fronts by about 1 foot, not directly above the fronts.
Which is the preffered location for my heights?

Thanks
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post #431 of 907
11/20/12 at 9:34am
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Naah!

I need MDA and Dolby Atmos biggrin.gif
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post #432 of 907
11/20/12 at 10:55am
jabz... Dolby has the R/L channels 22-30 degrees off center. Audyssey DSX has the heights at 45 degrees off center (slightly wider than the front R/L channels). Can't recall what Dolby has for heights.
Your best solution sounds like infront of and to the sides of your screen.

wse... I'm hoping MDA & ATMOS is available soon also. Just one problem thou... can you imagine how large/wide the front panels of those AVRs are going to be to accommodate all the logos???eek.gif
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post #433 of 907
11/20/12 at 11:08am
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jabz... Dolby has the R/L channels 22-30 degrees off center. Audyssey DSX has the heights at 45 degrees off center (slightly wider than the front R/L channels). Can't recall what Dolby has for heights. Your best solution sounds like infront of and to the sides of your screen. wse... I'm hoping MDA & ATMOS is available soon also. Just one problem thou... can you imagine how large/wide the front panels of those AVRs are going to be to accommodate all the logos???eek.gif

If you have the means Datasat RS20i biggrin.gif

I can't imagine what it sounds like
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post #434 of 907
11/20/12 at 11:29am
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Im putting up some height & wide speakers but I only have a choice of 2 locations for the heights. if I go directly above my fronts they would have to be mounted on the wall which means they will be behind a (motorized) non acoustic projector screen. Of if I mount them in front of the projector screen they will be slightly wider than the fronts by about 1 foot, not directly above the fronts.
Which is the preffered location for my heights?
Thanks
Option two, no discussion.
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post #435 of 907
11/20/12 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by jabz View Post

Which is the preffered location for my heights?
Spread your height speakers wide apart (wider than the fronts) for better envelopment.
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post #436 of 907
11/21/12 at 12:17am
You may need to creep them down along the side walls too to get closer to the proper angle (45 degrees to the side). The second angle is close to impossible to do something good with (45 degrees up) as that would - in all rooms with any normal ceiling height - bring them too close to listeners and get even more unbalanced for off-center seats...
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post #437 of 907
11/21/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I need MDA and Dolby Atmos biggrin.gif

Based on the only minimal speculation in this November 2012 interview with (Dolby's) Guy Hawley about some possible future Dolby product to "replicate" the theatrical Atmos experience for the Home Theater environment, it sounds like we won't see an object based home audio product from Dolby anytime soon...
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AVForums (UK) interviews with Guy Hawley from Dolby about Atmos and Brian Claypool from Barco about Auro 11.1 (link to Podcast details)
It's worth listening to the complete content of both interviews. cool.gif
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post #438 of 907
11/21/12 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

Based on the only minimal speculation in this November 2012 interview with (Dolby's) Guy Hawley about some possible future Dolby product to "replicate" the theatrical Atmos experience for the Home Theater environment, it sounds like we won't see an object based home audio product from Dolby anytime soon...
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Agreed, but MDA might be available by end of 2013 according to the CEO of the company that bought SRS/ DTS. So I think that once it happens Dolby will have to rethink their strategy
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post #439 of 907
11/21/12 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Agreed, but MDA might be available by end of 2013 according to the CEO of the company that bought SRS/ DTS. So I think that once it happens Dolby will have to rethink their strategy

The 'news quote' I saw in July 2012 was "DTS and SRS to launch 3D audio late next year. Having completed the acquisition of SRS Labs, DTS has confirmed the two companies will jointly bring multi-dimensional audio (MDA) or '3D audio' technology to market in 2013."

I'm don't think I would necessarily interpret that statement to mean there will be AVRs capable of rendering movie complexity MDA soundtracks (read from some unspecified delivery technology) for sale any time in the next year or two...?! cool.gif
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Edited by SoundChex - 11/21/12 at 1:05pm
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post #440 of 907
11/21/12 at 2:21pm
I want MDA be it from DTS or Dolby for the home with virtual speakers capability. I don't want to add more speakers in the HT. I draw the line at 12 speakers.
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post #441 of 907
11/21/12 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I want MDA be it from DTS or Dolby for the home with virtual speakers capability. I don't want to add more speakers in the HT. I draw the line at 12 speakers.
Only 12? Where's your sense of adventure smile.gif
From what I read, DTS's MDA was created with HT in mind. Dolby didn't create theirs for the same purpose, mainly just for commercial applications. So most likely we'll see MDA from DTS in the home before Dolby.
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post #442 of 907
11/21/12 at 4:40pm
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I want MDA be it from DTS or Dolby for the home with virtual speakers capability. I don't want to add more speakers in the HT. I draw the line at 12 speakers.

Real speaker boxes need not be the only option: The 85" prototype|proof-of-concept|"roadshow" 8K4K UHDTV from NHK pictured at this 2011 EBU demo (link) featured an experimental integrated audio system designed to provide full 22.2 channel surround sound playback in rooms where installing 22 separate satellite speakers is impractical. Instead, it uses 100+ "small" speaker units in a frame around all four sides of the display, plus some proprietary active-DSP|soundbar-style technology, to deliver "the same" playback soundfield to the audience. (I'm guessing there might also have been a 'hidden' sub woofer . . . and also perhaps that the quality of the delivery might be further improved by adding "speaker-array-towers" in the rear corners of the room...?)



So it's clear that one solution to the "requires too many speakers" problem might be to render an MDA soundtrack into Hamasaki 22.2 or some other "high multi-channel|speaker" playback format and then subsequently to use a novel DSP-based technology to deliver a comparable soundfield but utilizing 'many fewer' physical speaker boxes!
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post #443 of 907
11/21/12 at 4:52pm
Yeah, I was at the demo at Tokyo Tower several months ago. Not that impressive even when compared to the actual 22.2 surround that's been on permanent display at Tokyo Tower theatre.
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post #444 of 907
11/21/12 at 7:16pm
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Yeah, I was at the demo at Tokyo Tower several months ago. Not that impressive even when compared to the actual 22.2 surround that's been on permanent display at Tokyo Tower theatre.

Your link doesn't work!
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post #445 of 907
11/21/12 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I want MDA be it from DTS or Dolby for the home with virtual speakers capability. I don't want to add more speakers in the HT. I draw the line at 12 speakers.

12 not 11?
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post #446 of 907
11/21/12 at 7:58pm
11.1 = 11 sats + 1 sub = 12 speakers.
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post #447 of 907
11/22/12 at 6:34am
DataSat RS20i.... 16 channels (expandable up to 32), truely "home theater" starting at $18,500.00. ( eek.gif ) I might need 2!
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post #448 of 907
11/27/12 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I agree 100% 2014 hopefully MDA and DOLBY ATMOS will appear in pre/pros then it will be worth it , I started saving for a few more speakers smile.gif

I just added height and width speakers to upgrade to 11.2 from my current 7.1,  and have been waiting to pull the trigger on the Denon 4520 debating waiting until MDA is available in 2014 and hopefully encoded in movie blurays.  But the sonic benefits going from my Onkyo 805 to the 4520, for SubEQ for 2 subs, XT32 for room correction, the DTS Neo for the height and wides and back surrounds...I know , I know, it's only matrixed sound, and like the back surrounds which are for the most movies are matrixed also and effects are subtle, but for scifi/action/horror when it works well it really does add to 'immersion' and enjoyment.  I really like the idea of object based soundtrack that can allow for additional speaker placement , but in my 19x14x8  theater room, I'm not sure how many more speakers would actually add to that immersion feeling in a smaller room, beyond the locations of my speakers already. I guess I could add front heights closer to the front wall and back heights towards the back wall, and maybe wide high and or high side surrounds, but would it really make it all sound more realistic?

My 5 year "old" Denon 4308CI is being moved from basement HT to the family room to replace a 12 year "old" Onkyo 787.
The basement HT is getting a Denon 4520CI, expected to arrive this Friday.

I've got a 7.1 to 11.1 thread going on in the HT construction forum to document that, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435778/moving-past-7-1-5-1-into-9-1-11-2-upgrading-your-ht-room-via-audyssey-dsx-or-dolby-pl-iiz#post_22528318

Now, should I get a little buyers remorse, or hopefully my then 2 year old 4520CI in 2014 can be feature pack upgraded to MDA and DOLBY ATMOS eek.gif
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post #449 of 907
11/27/12 at 12:17pm
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My 5 year "old" Denon 4308CI is being moved from basement HT to the family room to replace a 12 year "old" Onkyo 787.
The basement HT is getting a Denon 4520CI, expected to arrive this Friday.
I've got a 7.1 to 11.1 thread going on in the HT construction forum to document that, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435778/moving-past-7-1-5-1-into-9-1-11-2-upgrading-your-ht-room-via-audyssey-dsx-or-dolby-pl-iiz#post_22528318
Now, should I get a little buyers remorse, or hopefully my then 2 year old 4520CI in 2014 can be feature pack upgraded to MDA and DOLBY ATMOS eek.gif

I finally got my 4520 and absolutely love it.  The upgraded Audyessey calibration has really improved room sonics, especially for the 2 subs.  I really doubt though that MDA/Atmos will be upgradeable options via downloads.  But I don't expect any BR releases with those formats for at least 2 to 3 years at soonest, and even then it will likely be very limited initially.  So in my projection I don't see these interesting formats having much impact for another 3-4 years and by then with other audio advancements I would be willing to upgrade from the 4520.

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post #450 of 907
11/27/12 at 12:46pm
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I finally got my 4520 and absolutely love it.  The upgraded Audyessey calibration has really improved room sonics, especially for the 2 subs.  I really doubt though that MDA/Atmos will be upgradeable options via downloads.  But I don't expect any BR releases with those formats for at least 2 to 3 years at soonest, and even then it will likely be very limited initially.  So in my projection I don't see these interesting formats having much impact for another 3-4 years and by then with other audio advancements I would be willing to upgrade from the 4520.

Yes you are probably right
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