DTS Neo.X - Page 22

It is which ever you choose. Just not both.

I think a lot depends on the model and capabilities of the surround processor. Fully functioning Neo:X decoders can output 11.1 "channels" (since it's matrix processing from up to 7.1 discrete channel soundtracks, I don't consider the extra output "channels") simultaneously. You'll have to look in the various pre-amp and receiver specs. if they support full 11.1 Neo:X output modes, or if they have more limited outputs.

Looks like those receiver models don't have the DSP horsepower to handle a 7.1 channel discrete track plus the four additional matrix post processed speaker outputs of Neo: X. If you really want 11 speakers working at the same time, you'll have to choose a top flight model.

In the Expendable II reviews I've read, they recommended the Onkyo NR-5010 or Denon 4520 as being able to do the full 11.1 spread. Those are not cheap receivers.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 2/24/13 at 11:55am

The Expendables II sounded amazing on the Onkyo 3010 (which has the same Neo:X as the 5010). The movie was good too - not great, but entertaining.

If you consider a root canal "entertaining."

Seriously though, why can't high quality movies get high quality sound too?

Yes, I know that the 1522 receiver does not do 11 channels at once. I said that. But my question was about which 9 channels I would get with Neo:X processing on this receiver. I'm not asking how to get 11 channels simultaneously, interesting though that might be.

I saw some discussion of this in the Pioneer thread, ~posts 673-676. What throws people off is that the manual states: >>The front height and front wide channels are switched automatically according to the audio input signal.<< The mystery has not been solved (that I have seen, anyway) as to how the AVR would decide on the fly to choose between wides and heights.
Edited by Roger Dressler - 2/24/13 at 1:37pm

Aha. Thanks for the reference. In principle, I ought to be able to offer some evidence, since I do have my SC-1522 hooked up to 11 speakers, both FW and FH are enabled and are detected during calibration. I'm using Neo:X Cinema mode now for a DD 5.1 input, and I've walked over to put my ear down to a FW speaker a few times, but so far I haven't heard anything coming out.

I don't know what you mean. The "speakers" button on the remote switches among four possible settings: FH/FW ON, FH ON, FW ON, OFF. If you choose the FH/FW ON setting, what do you get? I guess you can turn off either FW or FH, but what if you don't turn either off? That's what I'm curious about.

That seems to contradict Page 19 of the manual which states:

>>It is not possible to produce sound simultaneously from the front height speakers and the front wide speakers.<<

Yes, except for your #4 (which is wrong -- all speakers are off), that's what I said. But it doesn't answer the question I asked. What do you get with setting #1 in Neo:X? That would be great, but nothing in the product literature or the manual that I can see supports this interpretation. It's simply a 9 channel receiver. But let's not get sidetracked. This is another issue.

Breaks into song "You'll be a dentist. You have a talent for causin' things pain. Son, be a dentist. People will pay you to be inhumane."

I'm looking at page 74 of the manual for the SC-1522-K. For the 9.1ch FH/FW mode (which is what I use), it says that the 4th setting is "SP: OFF -- No sound is output from the speakers." That is just as I said above. And when I use that setting, in fact, no sound is output from any of the speakers. All speakers are off, just as I said.

I just reconfigured my room to take advantage of four B&W 802D and my in ceiling B&W Signature 7NT in ceiling (over the sofa speakers),

 

I also used a Y XLR to feed the surround speakers the same imput, whoa that was really impressive :)

 

So now with 9.2 I am ready for MDA or Atmos, too bad the SSP-800 doesn't have DTS NeoX or IIz :(

You're only off by 13 speakers for MDA and 55 for Atmos.

atmos. Isn't about the number of speakers though

I know. I was joking.

Though, it would be good to know what they're going to be recommending to consumer hardware manufacturers as to how many speaker/sub outputs should be controlled via these object-oriented formats. At least for the foreseeable future.

Or it will be all over the map and that won't help consumers who aren't familiar with this type of surround.

Though, you do need enough speakers to create both direct and atmospheric music and surround effects with some kind of precision.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 2/25/13 at 1:04pm

64 speakers in you living rom sure that's very likely to happen, not!

17 in the tv-room, 12 in the livingroom, 20 (to be 21) in the cinema... Even if I put them together I'd be 14 short. Nope, no way that's going to happen here...

Edit: forgot the two linearrays stored in the attic so make it 12 short.

I've had a combined in-use and still-in-box total of 14 satellites plus 2 subs in my home office for the last couple of years awaiting a 'generally accepted' 3D audio speaker configuration, which I think might resemble a one-speaker-per-channel version of the imm sound 14.1 channel configuration . . . using 9 middle layer speakers, plus 5 heights. Beyond that, I'm willing to be a little flexible . . . but not much.


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Edited by SoundChex - 2/25/13 at 5:17pm

That's all!

That's all! Whoa cool

Cool!

I have 17, using a standard 7.2 configuration with 2 front and rear side axis speakers and 6 over head speakers ( all are "technically" individual channels) 2 subs, and 2 front and rear presence speakers.

 

So what speakers do you use?

Ah I assumed since heights are generally placed above and behind fronts it was for raising the stage up and giving it some depth, which is basically the same placement for presence speakers.

It will be interesting to hear what is sent up to the heights and how it is derived with Neo X.