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post #841 of 1226
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I'm afraid I need more than Daft Punk music for me to enjoy a movie. wink.gif

Ok. I feel sorry for you, but I understand. cool.gif
post #842 of 1226
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I'm afraid I need more than Daft Punk music for me to enjoy a movie. wink.gif

My wife walked out and went upstairs to do dishes she disliked how poorly written it was. I on the other hand didn't mind the brainless script due to the "eye candy", and the bass levels were wild. I do find it hard to defend the movie, but I grew up as little boy with the original firmly in my memory...so I had to go for the sequel, like a relative who I use to love, but now is crude, same old jokes, and narrow. biggrin.gif

Those suits sure were a nice fit on the ladies wink.gif
post #843 of 1226
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Originally Posted by zuluwalker View Post

My wife walked out and went upstairs to do dishes she disliked how poorly written it was. I on the other hand didn't mind the brainless script due to the "eye candy", and the bass levels were wild. I do find it hard to defend the movie, but I grew up as little boy with the original firmly in my memory...so I had to go for the sequel, like a relative who I use to love, but now is crude, same old jokes, and narrow. biggrin.gif

Those suits sure were a nice fit on the ladies wink.gif

I very much liked the visual aspect of the movie also... The cool vehicles, the design of the environment and interior. Were there girls too? wink.gif
post #844 of 1226
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

The NEO:x matrix decoder codec is really a recent release.
IIRC your NR-1009 does not have that, so while you can listen to it in PLz or Audyssey DSX, not NeoX.

Denons 4520 is their latest AVR and it has NeoX decoder, their only AVR with it so far.

Fwiw; I really like NeoX, even on non NeoX coded material.

Sent from my 32GB iPhone4 using Tapatalk

The soon to be released (end of May) Denon X3000 and X4000 will both feature DTS Neo:X, the former up to 7.2 and the later up to 9.2.
post #845 of 1226
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The soon to be released (end of May) Denon X3000 and X4000 will both feature DTS Neo:X, the former up to 7.2 and the later up to 9.2.
The X4000 also includes Audyssey MultEQxt32 room correction with Sub EQ HT (for setting independent levels and delays on a pair of subs). At $1299, it is the one of the most affordable implementations of Neo:X and XT32.
post #846 of 1226
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The soon to be released (end of May) Denon X3000 and X4000 will both feature DTS Neo:X, the former up to 7.2 and the later up to 9.2.

Denon and Onkyo have had receivers with this for some time now. The Onkyo 1010, 3010, 5010, and the Denon 4520 all have Neo:X
post #847 of 1226
Correct ... just adding some additional models to the mix and at much lower price points too boot! smile.gif
post #848 of 1226
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Denon and Onkyo have had receivers with this for some time now. The Onkyo 1010, 3010, 5010, and the Denon 4520 all have Neo:X

DTS Neo:X sounds better/more realistic than DSX in 11.2 configuration or not? Or it depends of the movie?
JC
post #849 of 1226
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Correct ... just adding some additional models to the mix and at much lower price points too boot! smile.gif

True, lower prices points are always welcome!
post #850 of 1226
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Originally Posted by evo5 View Post

DTS Neo:X sounds better/more realistic than DSX in 11.2 configuration or not? Or it depends of the movie?
JC

I have noticed it is a personal preference. I listened to both Neo:X and DSX and found I liked Neo:X better. For me, the sounds seemed to be better oriented...I could hear some dialog from my front heights, for example (only noticeable when standing close to the screen), in DSX that I did not hear in Neo:X. The beauty is if you can do both with the same AVR - then you can try them both and keep the one you like best.

I will say, Neo:X makes watching anything with a live audience a treat. Sports, American Idol, etc., all have the sounds of the audience coming from the sides and rears - I really feel enveloped by it. Far better than when I was using PLIIz.
post #851 of 1226
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

I will say, Neo:X makes watching anything with a live audience a treat. Sports, American Idol, etc., all have the sounds of the audience coming from the sides and rears - I really feel enveloped by it. Far better than when I was using PLIIz.
Good stuff. Maybe you mentioned elsewhere -- but are you using wides and heights? Just one or the other? 4 surrounds or 2?

Tnx
post #852 of 1226
So who has the same 11 speakers all around, I can't imagine 11 B&W 800Diamond or 802Ds all around, already with 7 I smile smile.gif
Edited by wse - 5/1/13 at 7:12am
post #853 of 1226
My previous 7.1 setup had the same speaker all the way around, NHT SuperZero. Today I'm using a brand that's tonally matched on all models, so I pick from size/capability aspects per position instead. Will be 21 speakers for 7.1 and 25 for 11 channel setup (lacking those from the same brand currently).
post #854 of 1226
I have 9.2 set-up. Had watched Dredd 2D in Neo:X this afternoon. Movie sounded good but storyline was crappy. Just my opinion.
post #855 of 1226
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Originally Posted by Nightlord View Post

My previous 7.1 setup had the same speaker all the way around, NHT SuperZero. Today I'm using a brand that's tonally matched on all models, so I pick from size/capability aspects per position instead. Will be 21 speakers for 7.1 and 25 for 11 channel setup (lacking those from the same brand currently).
What brand do you use now?
post #856 of 1226
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

What brand do you use now?

Nothing you know or would be able to get - Ino Audio - only available in Sweden. A commericialized version of some of them called Guru Audio might come your way eventually.
post #857 of 1226
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Good stuff. Maybe you mentioned elsewhere -- but are you using wides and heights? Just one or the other? 4 surrounds or 2?

Tnx

Just heights. I WANT wides, but my room is not conducive to their effective placement. I can either put them on the walls by the ceiling or mount one on a door. Neither of which is a good idea.

I am using front heights and the standard 7.2 after that (sides, rears, fronts) with a little twist. Due to the shape of my room, I am using two side speakers per side and have them wired as one 4ohm speaker, that way each row of seats in my theater room have their own side surrounds.
post #858 of 1226
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So who has the same 11 speakers all around, I can't imagine 11 B&W 800Diamond or 802Ds all around, already with 7 I smile smile.gif

I do not, I use Paradigm Milleniums for my front three and Axiom Audio M3/M2/M0 on walls for my surrounds (they actually have rubber "feet" that prevent them from actually being "on" the wall).
post #859 of 1226
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

In-ceiling or on-ceiling, the idea (for me) is to have overhead imaging and I'm not sure I'll get that result with 45° elevation. Research on imaging reversals suggests keeping speakers that are above and behind you at least 30° away from the centre line, to keep those sounds from imaging in front of you. So, if 0° is ear level and 90° is directly above, then 30° from the centre line means a 60° elevation. Depending on room shape and size, this could end up on the ceiling or high up on the walls.

I placed my 11 channel system as per my old understanding of the heights and wides, and found minimal results with the heights vs. the wides. With more research and guidence (found here in this thread), I have now completed pulling new wire to move my front heights to their new position directly above the wides. I expect this to create a better dome of surround sound.

Thanks for the inspiration guys. I appreciate the tips sdurani.


(Hanging speaker wire indicates the placement of the height channel)


(Hanging speaker wire indicates the placement of the height channel)
post #860 of 1226
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So who has the same 11 speakers all around, I can't imagine 11 B&W 800Diamond or 802Ds all around, already with 7 I smile smile.gif

I do not have the same speakers all around, although I do have the same brand. I have a 9.2 setup today and for my front and center I have matching Linn speakers (Ninka fronts and Ekwal Center). For my side, back and front highs I have LInn 5110's or Unik's (The same speaker, but they have changed the name a few times). For my subs I have matching Vandersteen 2Wq's.

Because my front, center and surrounds were originally sold as a package from Linn they are tonally matched and I have been VERY happy with this setup. I am just implementing the front highs as I just purchased a receiver that will go beyond 7.2, but due to the lower levels of sound that come from the surrounds and highs I have no issue with using the smaller/different speakers as long as I keep in the same family. If I implement wides I will use a larger speaker like another pair of Ninka's or a pair of Katan's (The bookshelf version of the Ninka).

Hope this helps.
post #861 of 1226
The soundtrack for the new Superman reboot 'Man of Steel' went on pre-order at Amazon:

http://amzn.com/B00C2U6G7C

The deluxe edition looks to have an interesting bonus:

"The deluxe edition will be housed in a special embossed steel case, contain 24 score selections, and give fans the ability to access multiple videos showing an exclusive, behind-the-scenes look at the creation of the music.

"Those fans who purchase the CD version of the deluxe edition will have the opportunity to download all 24 songs in DTS Headphone: X, which reproduces a cinematic multi-speaker surround sound experience using only the user's headphones. DTS Headphone:X presents a whole new way to hear mobile entertainment over headphones. The technology garnered rave reviews from the likes of The Wall Street Journal, and Cnet, among others at this year s CES convention."
post #862 of 1226
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

I do not, I use Paradigm Milleniums for my front three and Axiom Audio M3/M2/M0 on walls for my surrounds (they actually have rubber "feet" that prevent them from actually being "on" the wall).
Thanks for the details. I thought from your description of the audience envelopment that you might have wide speakers. Is your impression of the difference between Neo:X and PLIIz a result of the more pronounced heights in Neo:X? If you were to compare them with the heights temporarily defeated, would the difference remain? Just curious.

I had an Onkyo AVR with NeoX for a short while and did not find the result you noted, so just trying to do a little vicarious investigation. I'll need to get Neo:X again!
post #863 of 1226
I have been using PLIIz, DSX and Neo:X in some configuration or another since the Denon 4810 in 2009. I now have the Marantz AV8801 and listen almost exclusively in Neo:X for movies/TV (still prefer 2.2 or 5.2 for music). I don't use the exact same speakers, but have an 11.2 setup with a Martin Logan Stage center channel and 8 ML floorstanders (Summits-main; Vantages-wide and Vista (x4)- surrounds). The Vistas are on custom stone 24-inch stands to raise them above ear leval and chairbacks. A pair of Martin Logan FX are the heights with 2 Descent i subwoofers. It truly creates a cocoon of sound without being too cluttered, unnatural or vague. Although it works well with most 5.1/7.1 mixes, Expendables 2 was amazing with the pinpoint placement of sound in each of the 11 speakers.

PLIIz was a little to subtle to be a worthwhile upgrade or justify mounting 2 additional speakers. DSX can sound amazing at times, but really weird at other times, particularly with echoey or mis-placed dialogue. I cannot wait to experience an Atmos-installed theater.
post #864 of 1226
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Thanks for the details. I thought from your description of the audience envelopment that you might have wide speakers. Is your impression of the difference between Neo:X and PLIIz a result of the more pronounced heights in Neo:X? If you were to compare them with the heights temporarily defeated, would the difference remain? Just curious.

I had an Onkyo AVR with NeoX for a short while and did not find the result you noted, so just trying to do a little vicarious investigation. I'll need to get Neo:X again!

It is mostly in the side and rear surrounds, though the front soundstage is more "encompassing" now. I put it in quotes because it only seems to really matter when there are things up in the air. I noticed it when I played Battle:LA, but only when there were helicopters and planes around. Where it seems to shine for me is in the side and rear surrounds. They seem to have more distinct sounds in them with Neo:X vs PLIIz. This is only really noticeable during live events with an audience - other times they are both the same.
post #865 of 1226
Now my front heights have offically been moved forward.

First impression after two hours? More sizzle, more pop, more bang! They have come alive more than before, when placed on the screen wall. The wides still take the cake, even in Neo:X, but the difference between heights and wides is now much less than previously heard in my room. I am pleased with this result.




Edited by zuluwalker - 5/1/13 at 5:57pm
post #866 of 1226
That was awesome timing on those posts Zulu, I am going to be mounting my front heights early next week once I get re wired for the new receiver. This gave me a good bit of confirmation that the place I am planning to mount mine is going to be about right!
post #867 of 1226
Here is my dilemma, no where to put wides frown.gif



55 Inches from the screen is where the front wide left speaker would sit - but 55 inches is smack dab in the middle of the plasma on the right. 77 inches is at the end of the plasma, so a front wide right could sit there - but 77 inches is smack dab in the middle of the door...
Edited by cybrsage - 5/3/13 at 8:48am
post #868 of 1226
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Originally Posted by zuluwalker View Post

Now my front heights have offically been moved forward.


What speakers are your wides?
post #869 of 1226
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

What speakers are your wides?

My wides and heights are Paradigm Cinema. I used Cinema 400's for wides, and Cinema 200's for heights.

They sound wonderful.
post #870 of 1226
That is what they looked like. smile.gif
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