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post #31 of 67
1/10/11 at 7:37am
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What is "IQ" you keep mentioning?
IQ - image quality
PQ- picture quality

used interchangeably.
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post #32 of 67
1/10/11 at 9:29am
Those 21:9 is what I would really like as my next tv! JVC planning to release them at all?

Also, anyone watch the Vizio 21:9?
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post #33 of 67
1/10/11 at 10:30am
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Anyhow,,, I just back from CES and spent the day looking at passive and active 3D panels,,, that was great fun as I have NEVER seen a passive panel in person yet, until today.

My opinion after seeing passive 3D,,,, passive wins !!!!!

I have spent some time with the 3D active Panasonic VT25 (a friend has one that I have watched a lot),,, after seeing all the passive 3D panel's today I can now have an actual real life opinion instead of reading a bunch of crap and guessing by people that have never even seen a passive display.

Between active and passive did one technology look better than the other, I would say thats a draw,, as far as picture quality, the passive looked brighter, crisper and much more colorfull,,,,, to me, after seeing both in person, passive is the clear winner.

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Davyo

Do you know of anyone in Vegas displaying passive sets? I couldn't make CES this year do to being under the weather. Would sure like to see one of these sets...Thanks
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post #34 of 67
1/10/11 at 11:40am
Personally - I think a lot of this is just personal preference. And like religion - to each their own - but there's hardly a need to "recruit."

In the end - it makes little difference if there's a lack of content. People can choose for themselves if they want passive, active or whatever. But they they won't choose anything if there's nothing to watch. So instead of the battle over which is better - the battle should be getting content out in the marketplace.
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post #35 of 67
1/10/11 at 12:14pm
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Those 21:9 is what I would really like as my next tv! JVC planning to release them at all?

Also, anyone watch the Vizio 21:9?

Engadget - JVC shows off prototype 50-inch 21:9 3D TV, says it could hit US later this year

it's looking like JVC will release its own 50-inch 21:9 3D TV in the US sometime in the third quarter of 2011. Other details are scarce, but JVC's talkative CES booth attendant also mentioned the TV might be sold in varying sizes and might feature internet connectivity.
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post #36 of 67
1/10/11 at 4:06pm
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Those 21:9 is what I would really like as my next tv! JVC planning to release them at all?

Also, anyone watch the Vizio 21:9?

Yep,,,, I spent some time bonding with the Vizio 21:9,,, the 3D image from this panel was amazing !!!!!




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Do you know of anyone in Vegas displaying passive sets? I couldn't make CES this year do to being under the weather. Would sure like to see one of these sets...Thanks

Nope,, sorry, dont know of anyone in Vegas,,, unless any CES people left a few panels behind on accident,,,, perhaps I should go check the Convention Center parking lot

Cheers
Davyo
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post #37 of 67
1/11/11 at 11:08am
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these JVC passive sets hooked up to their consumer 3D camcorder (2 Chip) were VERY impressive.



Another impressive passive JVC set.



This 21:9 Passive LCD was also VERY impressive. GREAT IQ and no 3D crosstalk at all. Good crisp 3D effect with no sensation of loss of resolution at all.




So JVC has a 65 inch TV this year? Nice!
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post #38 of 67
1/11/11 at 4:13pm
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Yep,,,, I spent some time bonding with the Vizio 21:9,,, the 3D image from this panel was amazing !!!!!






Nope,, sorry, dont know of anyone in Vegas,,, unless any CES people left a few panels behind on accident,,,, perhaps I should go check the Convention Center parking lot

Cheers
Davyo

Already did...nothing
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post #39 of 67
1/11/11 at 4:15pm
Davyo - How does the glare work out with that super shiny screen? That is one of the biggest problems I have with plasma.
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post #40 of 67
1/11/11 at 6:56pm
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Davyo - How does the glare work out with that super shiny screen? That is one of the biggest problems I have with plasma.
I didnt really notice any major glare issue's with the Vizio's at CES or any of the other panels for the most part,, but to be honest I was always more wraped up in watching the images and not looking for glare,,, perhaps an oversite on my part.

At home I have a 65" Panasonic S2 plasma and a 55" Vizio LED (full backlit, matt screen),,,, both panels have an amazing picture,,,,,,,, I have not had any glare issue's with my Panny plasma but then again I dont have any windows with direct light hitting my 65 incher.

While I did not see the Vizio 65" turned off at CES I did see the picture's here of the Vizio 65 incher turned off to show the glare on the screen.

In those pictures the Vizio screen looked to be more shiny'er than my Panasonic plasma,,, so that does give me cause for concern with the Vizio panel.

The AR filter on my Panny plasma actually works pretty good.

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Davyo
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post #41 of 67
1/12/11 at 2:44pm
The Vutec booth was showing off their silverstar screen using an LG projector with passive glasses (not sure of the model). It was hands down the best 3D image I've ever seen. It didn't look like different "plains" stacked together but rather a seemless image that seemed to be inches from your face! Hard to explain the effect but after looking at 3D displays the entire day before I still stood in amazement as I watched that demo
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post #42 of 67
1/12/11 at 6:23pm
Thanks for the input,I wanna jump into 3D,but if you where really that impressed and passive is better I guess I'll wait.Hopefully my local bestbuys have them up for demo.That way I can judge myself.
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post #43 of 67
1/13/11 at 1:49am
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Thanks for the input,I wanna jump into 3D,but if you where really that impressed and passive is better I guess I'll wait.Hopefully my local bestbuys have them up for demo.That way I can judge myself.

Good plan,,, Im sure BestBuy will be getting some passive panels in soon to demo.

It will be interesting to see how passive is judged after more people get a chance to see them for the first time.

While I personaly have a preference towards passive now Im sure others will like active more.

After everyone has seen both passive and active and been able to compare they can decide which technology is best for them.

Neither choice is right or wrong, its all about personal preference,,,, I would hope that the heated debates might calm down a bit,,, but I dont have that much hope,,,,,, (example) LCD vs plasma has been a long heated debate.

As someone that own's both a 65" Panasonic plasma and a 55" LED I Love both my panels,, they both have their pros and cons,,,, same thing with active vs passive,, they will both have their pros and cons.

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Davyo
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post #44 of 67
1/13/11 at 5:42am
Yeah....JVC's screens hooked up to its camcorder looked absolutely terrible. Vizio definitely had the best passive 3D showing of any of the manufacturers, but there was clear artifacting during certain scenes of its demo reel too. I looked at every 3DTV at CES w/ the exception of Toshiba's glassesless stuff because of the line, and all the passive 3d displays had at least some of the screen door effect on 3D, although it varied on what was showing.

Vizio's advantage seemed to mostly have to do with it showing off a much better demo reel than LG, while LG Display's booth seemed rigged in favor of passive on all its tech demos so I couldn't really make a judgement there. I think passive 3D will sell well assuming the price is right, but if you're concerned about PQ I think active shutter will still be the way to go, however until we can see some real content on these tv's it's nearly impossible to say.
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post #45 of 67
1/13/11 at 12:57pm
I don't tend to frequent this forum, but this thread caught my eye for the obvious reasons. However, some things to consider:

1) Picture Quality - never use "colorfulness" as a criteria, especially on the floor of a trade show. Almost all of the sets were showing overblown colors for obvious reasons: they attract attention. CES always has a lot of animation as demo material, and you should never try to judge picture quality critically under those circumstances (reference points matter -- a lot).

2) Crosstalk and resolution - the major issues to be looking for in a 3D image right now are ghosting (aka crosstalk) and image detail. These are really the most affected by the various technologies. Color accuracy, shadow detail, brightness, etc., are still more fundamentally related to the underlying panel technology than they are to the 3D system being employed.

3) Z-blending and the "diorama effect" - Content is king and once you get past ghosting issues, the propensity for something to look like it is made up of a bunch of slices, rather than a smooth depth blend, is more than likely a content problem. The demo for Despicable Me in 3D highlighted a lot of problems with 3D content that is independent of technology. In other words, you would have had a strong "diorama effect" with this content using ANY available 3D display technology. Last year, Monster House was the major offender in that respect.
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post #46 of 67
1/14/11 at 2:16am
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My opinion after seeing passive 3D,,,, passive wins !!!!!

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post #47 of 67
1/14/11 at 2:36am
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By far.......

Yep,,, my favorites were the passive Vizio and LG's.

Chris,, a question,,,, I did not spend that much time at the CES Panasonic booth and did not check out what they claim is an improved active 3D experience over their 2010 VT25.

Did you get a chance to see 3D on the VT30 and if so was it better than the VT25 with 3D ????

On a side note,, sorry I didnt get a chance to meet up with you this year at CES, I didnt even know I was going until almost last minute, my work shedual was insane that weekend,,,, but it was good seeing you last year at CES 2010.

Hope all is well with you Chris

Cheers
Davyo
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post #48 of 67
1/14/11 at 9:16am
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2) Crosstalk and resolution - the major issues to be looking for in a 3D image right now are ghosting (aka crosstalk) and image detail. These are really the most affected by the various technologies. Color accuracy, shadow detail, brightness, etc., are still more fundamentally related to the underlying panel technology than they are to the 3D system being employed.
The other thing to remember is that crosstalk is the number one thing to look for on active shutter glasses on plasma/LCD and you look for it in high contrast scenes. If DLP active shutter tech was the norm, crosstalk wouldn't really be a topic for discussion. Passive is likely to have completely different issues or different crosstalk effects, there is no reason to think that high contrast areas will be any more susceptible than others for crosstalk with passive.
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post #49 of 67
1/14/11 at 9:49pm
Have release dates been set for these new passive sets (specifically LG and Vizio)?

I'm leaning toward the LG LW6500 or the Vizio XVT3D555SP (would prefer 65" inches, but rather have the refresh rate and features of the new models).
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post #50 of 67
1/15/11 at 7:56am
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Yep,,, my favorites were the passive Vizio and LG's.

Chris,, a question,,,, I did not spend that much time at the CES Panasonic booth and did not check out what they claim is an improved active 3D experience over their 2010 VT25.

Did you get a chance to see 3D on the VT30 and if so was it better than the VT25 with 3D ????

On a side note,, sorry I didnt get a chance to meet up with you this year at CES, I didnt even know I was going until almost last minute, my work shedual was insane that weekend,,,, but it was good seeing you last year at CES 2010.

Hope all is well with you Chris

Cheers
Davyo

Davyo, after reading most of your posts regarding these new passive models I am more inclined to wait for them to become available as oppose to getting an active one, but I will also like to read your opinion between the two models. If it was your choice, which model would you pick and why?
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post #51 of 67
1/15/11 at 1:29pm
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Davyo, after reading most of your posts regarding these new passive models I am more inclined to wait for them to become available as oppose to getting an active one, but I will also like to read your opinion between the two models. If it was your choice, which model would you pick and why?
Thanks

Right now where I am at is between two panels,,, the 65" Vizio and the 65" Panasonic VT30.

Reason's:

I pick the Vizio over the LG as while I think the passive 3D from both brands looked equaly as impressive Im quite sure the already released Vizio is going to be the less expensive of the two and Im also not sure when the LG is comng out.

While I liked the passive 3D of the Vizio much more that the active 3D on the current Panasonic VT25 I do think that the soon to be released 65" VT30 will have better 2D PQ than the Vizio 65 incher,,,,,, (my 65" Panasonic S2 has a killer 2D picture)

Sadly, I did not see in person the 3D of the new Panasonic's so Im wondering how it compares to the Vizio and LG's passive 3D.

The 65" VT30 I "think" will be cheaper than the just released Vizio.

In short it comes down to this for me,,, for the best PQ in 2D wait for the Panasonic 65" VT30 and hope the 3D is as good as the passive LG's and Vizio.

Or, I can get the Vizio with what I feel is the better looking 3D experience but I think I might be taking a hit in the 2D picture quality.

In a nutshell,, Panasonic 65" VT30 vs Vizio 65" passive panel:
Panasonic VT30= better 2D picture quality, less'er 3D picture quality (but I dont know that for sure as I have not seen the "improved" 3D of the new Panasonics)
Vizio= better 3D quality, perhaps less'er 2D picture qaulity.

Anyhow, its down to these two panels for me for those reasons.

Hope that was of some help and sorry for my rambling random thoughts in no particular order.

Cheers
Davyo
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post #52 of 67
1/15/11 at 4:00pm
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Right now where I am at is between two panels,,, the 65" Vizio and the 65" Panasonic VT30.

Reason's:

I pick the Vizio over the LG as while I think the passive 3D from both brands looked equaly as impressive Im quite sure the already released Vizio is going to be the less expensive of the two and Im also not sure when the LG is comng out.

While I liked the passive 3D of the Vizio much more that the active 3D on the current Panasonic VT25 I do think that the soon to be released 65" VT30 will have better 2D PQ than the Vizio 65 incher,,,,,, (my 65" Panasonic S2 has a killer 2D picture)

Sadly, I did not see in person the 3D of the new Panasonic's so Im wondering how it compares to the Vizio and LG's passive 3D.

The 65" VT30 I "think" will be cheaper than the just released Vizio.

In short it comes down to this for me,,, for the best PQ in 2D wait for the Panasonic 65" VT30 and hope the 3D is as good as the passive LG's and Vizio.

Or, I can get the Vizio with what I feel is the better looking 3D experience but I think I might be taking a hit in the 2D picture quality.

In a nutshell,, Panasonic 65" VT30 vs Vizio 65" passive panel:
Panasonic VT30= better 2D picture quality, less'er 3D picture quality (but I dont know that for sure as I have not seen the "improved" 3D of the new Panasonics)
Vizio= better 3D quality, perhaps less'er 2D picture qaulity.

Anyhow, its down to these two panels for me for those reasons.

Hope that was of some help and sorry for my rambling random thoughts in no particular order.

Cheers
Davyo

Dude. If you know the vt30 will have better 2d PQ, which it will by far. Go with the vt30. What will be your 2d/3d watching ratio? 80/20? Not to mention that the stereoscopic panny 3d is superior to the passive. The Vizio may have looked better to you at ces where I'm sure they had the best content and blaring colors, but you admittedly didn't spend much time at panny's booth. So you "think/feel" passive is better bc you're comparing the bias Vizio to what you remember of your friends vt25. You have to admit that that's not a fair comparo. I promise you that the vt30's 3d will look MUCH better than anything passive right now.
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post #53 of 67
1/15/11 at 6:21pm
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You have to admit that that's not a fair comparo. I promise you that the vt30's 3d will look MUCH better than anything passive right now.

I find it ironic that you are telling him that he can't beleive his own impressions because he "didn't spend enough time" with the Panny, when you seem to have even more limited experience with the Vizio passive yet are so insistant that it has inferior 3D. Do you see the irony?
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post #54 of 67
1/15/11 at 6:46pm
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Dude. If you know the vt30 will have better 2d PQ, which it will by far. Go with the vt30. What will be your 2d/3d watching ratio? 80/20? Not to mention that the stereoscopic panny 3d is superior to the passive. The Vizio may have looked better to you at ces where I'm sure they had the best content and blaring colors, but you admittedly didn't spend much time at panny's booth. So you "think/feel" passive is better bc you're comparing the bias Vizio to what you remember of your friends vt25. You have to admit that that's not a fair comparo. I promise you that the vt30's 3d will look MUCH better than anything passive right now.

Yes,, I "think" the Panasonic will have better 2D PQ than the Vizio but the problem for me is I have never seen 2D on either panel.

Yes,, I will be watching way more 2D than 3D.

No,,,,the stereoscopic active 3D is not better than the passive 3D that I have seen,,, I am not just going by my memory of watching my friends VT25, I am also going by all the countless times I have watched active 3D in all the B&M's and also the active panels I saw at CES that day.

At this exact moment in time,, the best 3D I have seen has been on the passive LG's and the Vizio,, to my eyes it looked much better than the VT25.

I know you believe/think the 3D on the VT30 will look better than passive, but you also as I recall, said that about the VT25 before I went to CES and saw passive for myself.
Im not the only one saying that the passive displays at CES looked better than the active, there are quite a few people that were also at CES that have posted the same opinions on these threads,,,,, one person as just an example is Chis (the owner of Cleveland Plasma and a forum sponser) he sells flat panels for a living and has seen just about every TV to ever come out,,, after seeing passive at CES his comment was something to the effect of "all 3D panels should be using the passive techology".

Im not discounting getting an active panel at all, I want the best 3D and the best 2D,,,if Panasonic has in fact improved their 3D technology with the soon to be released 2011 panels and if that improvement is as good as or better than the passive techology I have seen then I will get the Panasonic ST30 65 incher.

If the 3D still looks the same on the VT30 as it does on the VT25 then I might go for the Vizio .

The good news is, like I stated before,,,, passive panels will soon be in stores for all to compare and make their own judgments,,,, will there be a clear winner,, no,, there will be those that like active more than passive and those that will like passive more than active.

Cheers
Davyo
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post #55 of 67
1/16/11 at 8:14am
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Yes,, I "think" the Panasonic will have better 2D PQ than the Vizio but the problem for me is I have never seen 2D on either panel.

Yes,, I will be watching way more 2D than 3D.

No,,,,the stereoscopic active 3D is not better than the passive 3D that I have seen,,, I am not just going by my memory of watching my friends VT25, I am also going by all the countless times I have watched active 3D in all the B&M's and also the active panels I saw at CES that day.

At this exact moment in time,, the best 3D I have seen has been on the passive LG's and the Vizio,, to my eyes it looked much better than the VT25.

I know you believe/think the 3D on the VT30 will look better than passive, but you also as I recall, said that about the VT25 before I went to CES and saw passive for myself.
Im not the only one saying that the passive displays at CES looked better than the active, there are quite a few people that were also at CES that have posted the same opinions on these threads,,,,, one person as just an example is Chis (the owner of Cleveland Plasma and a forum sponser) he sells flat panels for a living and has seen just about every TV to ever come out,,, after seeing passive at CES his comment was something to the effect of "all 3D panels should be using the passive techology".

Im not discounting getting an active panel at all, I want the best 3D and the best 2D,,,if Panasonic has in fact improved their 3D technology with the soon to be released 2011 panels and if that improvement is as good as or better than the passive techology I have seen then I will get the Panasonic ST30 65 incher.

If the 3D still looks the same on the VT30 as it does on the VT25 then I might go for the Vizio .

The good news is, like I stated before,,,, passive panels will soon be in stores for all to compare and make their own judgments,,,, will there be a clear winner,, no,, there will be those that like active more than passive and those that will like passive more than active.

Cheers
Davyo

Well I'm glad we are finally on the same page with who will "win." The only thing is if you want the best, why is the st30 an option and not the vt30?
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post #56 of 67
1/16/11 at 2:58pm
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The other thing to remember is that crosstalk is the number one thing to look for on active shutter glasses on plasma/LCD and you look for it in high contrast scenes. If DLP active shutter tech was the norm, crosstalk wouldn't really be a topic for discussion. Passive is likely to have completely different issues or different crosstalk effects, there is no reason to think that high contrast areas will be any more susceptible than others for crosstalk with passive.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. You can see crosstalk issues under a large variety of viewing conditions with any of a number of different technologies. One of the easier ways to see it is with sharply-defined objects. This might be what you are terming "high contrast", but really, you can see it on any 3D display technology with either active or passive systems. It's akin to the ringing issues you often see with too much sharpening or edge enhancement being applied. At least it is with the best of the 2011 generation of displays. The worst still give me headaches after a few seconds to a few minutes.

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Yes,, I "think" the Panasonic will have better 2D PQ than the Vizio but the problem for me is I have never seen 2D on either panel.

Yes,, I will be watching way more 2D than 3D.

No,,,,the stereoscopic active 3D is not better than the passive 3D that I have seen,,, I am not just going by my memory of watching my friends VT25, I am also going by all the countless times I have watched active 3D in all the B&M's and also the active panels I saw at CES that day.

At this exact moment in time,, the best 3D I have seen has been on the passive LG's and the Vizio,, to my eyes it looked much better than the VT25.

I know you believe/think the 3D on the VT30 will look better than passive, but you also as I recall, said that about the VT25 before I went to CES and saw passive for myself.
Im not the only one saying that the passive displays at CES looked better than the active, there are quite a few people that were also at CES that have posted the same opinions on these threads,,,,, one person as just an example is Chis (the owner of Cleveland Plasma and a forum sponser) he sells flat panels for a living and has seen just about every TV to ever come out,,, after seeing passive at CES his comment was something to the effect of "all 3D panels should be using the passive techology".

Im not discounting getting an active panel at all, I want the best 3D and the best 2D,,,if Panasonic has in fact improved their 3D technology with the soon to be released 2011 panels and if that improvement is as good as or better than the passive techology I have seen then I will get the Panasonic ST30 65 incher.

If the 3D still looks the same on the VT30 as it does on the VT25 then I might go for the Vizio .

The good news is, like I stated before,,,, passive panels will soon be in stores for all to compare and make their own judgments,,,, will there be a clear winner,, no,, there will be those that like active more than passive and those that will like passive more than active.

Cheers
Davyo

Unless you saw a different Vizio demo than I did (second floor, South hall), I'm not sure how you are comparing Vizio to Panasonic. The two had very different viewing conditions with very different demo content using different 3D systems and different ergonomics for the glasses. I like where the RealD system is heading for passive, and the passive glasses from a third-party (can't remember the name of the company -- they were next to Xpand and Sensio) would be the best/most comfortable. Panasonic's demo suffered because their glasses are not the best. For that, I really like the Xpand glasses (Optoma's default active-shutter glasses are also good). I was not impressed with Sensio's products (for the second year in a row), and their universal glasses weren't universal. I did not try the Monster universal glasses, so those may be an option. For this generation, if you care about an enjoyable 3D image, I would not limit myself to the glasses provided by a television manufacturer.
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1/16/11 at 3:21pm
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Panasonic's demo suffered because their glasses are not the best. For that, I really like the Xpand glasses (Optoma's default active-shutter glasses are also good).

Hello,

I don't want to drag this important conversation too far off onto a tangent, but can you say a teensy bit more about what you did or didn't like about the Xpands when used with the Panasonics? I'm considering just such a combination myself, you see. Do the Xpands play nice when it comes to PQ? Thanks.

-Noob
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post #58 of 67
1/16/11 at 3:24pm
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Right now where I am at is between two panels,,, the 65" Vizio and the 65" Panasonic VT30.

Reason's:

I pick the Vizio over the LG as while I think the passive 3D from both brands looked equaly as impressive Im quite sure the already released Vizio is going to be the less expensive of the two and Im also not sure when the LG is comng out.

While I liked the passive 3D of the Vizio much more that the active 3D on the current Panasonic VT25 I do think that the soon to be released 65" VT30 will have better 2D PQ than the Vizio 65 incher,,,,,, (my 65" Panasonic S2 has a killer 2D picture)

Sadly, I did not see in person the 3D of the new Panasonic's so Im wondering how it compares to the Vizio and LG's passive 3D.

The 65" VT30 I "think" will be cheaper than the just released Vizio.

In short it comes down to this for me,,, for the best PQ in 2D wait for the Panasonic 65" VT30 and hope the 3D is as good as the passive LG's and Vizio.

Or, I can get the Vizio with what I feel is the better looking 3D experience but I think I might be taking a hit in the 2D picture quality.

In a nutshell,, Panasonic 65" VT30 vs Vizio 65" passive panel:
Panasonic VT30= better 2D picture quality, less'er 3D picture quality (but I dont know that for sure as I have not seen the "improved" 3D of the new Panasonics)
Vizio= better 3D quality, perhaps less'er 2D picture qaulity.

Anyhow, its down to these two panels for me for those reasons.

Hope that was of some help and sorry for my rambling random thoughts in no particular order.

Cheers
Davyo

Well, that also nails it pretty darn good for me, considering If Vizio's price is better, and if is a small to tolerable diiference on 2d it will narrow it further. It will be hard to decide if prices between the two are at par so better to wait for a good comparison. Thanks D
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1/16/11 at 9:46pm
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Well I'm glad we are finally on the same page with who will "win." The only thing is if you want the best, why is the st30 an option and not the vt30?

Weather or not we are on the same page as far as who will win (active vs passive) in the end I am fairly 100% certain that the days of active 3D are very numbered and that passive will be the winning technology and I also think the passive technology will be GREATLY improved in a very short amount of time.

As far as my prediction,,, this thread can be pulled up a year from now to see if I was correct or not.

Besides Moblie,,, if we were to agree on something I think the world as we know it might end,,,, we wouldnt want the planet to implode now would we

As far as my interest in getting the 65" ST30 over the 65" VT30,, the VT30 is going to be priced in the over 4K area when it comes out while the 65" ST30 looks like it might be priced at under $2,500.00 when it gets released,,, so price is the reason.

Also, I am very happy with the PQ from my 65" Panny S2 and I would expect the replacement of the S2 series, the ST30 to be just as good if not better with the 2D PQ.



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Unless you saw a different Vizio demo than I did (second floor, South hall), I'm not sure how you are comparing Vizio to Panasonic. The two had very different viewing conditions with very different demo content using different 3D systems and different ergonomics for the glasses. I like where the RealD system is heading for passive, and the passive glasses from a third-party (can't remember the name of the company -- they were next to Xpand and Sensio) would be the best/most comfortable. Panasonic's demo suffered because their glasses are not the best. For that, I really like the Xpand glasses (Optoma's default active-shutter glasses are also good). I was not impressed with Sensio's products (for the second year in a row), and their universal glasses weren't universal. I did not try the Monster universal glasses, so those may be an option. For this generation, if you care about an enjoyable 3D image, I would not limit myself to the glasses provided by a television manufacturer.

Yes, the Vizio CES demo I saw was on the second floor in the south hall, I didnt make it over to the Wynn Hotel for the main Vizio showing.

Not sure if Im reading yor post correctly or not,,,,,, are you saying you liked the Vizio 3D effect/experience more than the Panasonic 3D effect/experience,,,,sadly for me,, I didnt get a chance to see 3D on the Panasonic's at CES and am really wondering if it is much better than the 3D on the current VT25 series Panny plasma's ???

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Davyo
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1/17/11 at 7:43am
Did anybody visit the Runco booth for their new Vistage 3Dd panels?
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