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post #1171 of 1421
maybe this will not have the dim corners like the 70'' do 732 733 734 735
post #1172 of 1421
Will the 80" still have frame interpolation feature?
post #1173 of 1421
When is big not big enough? Apparently when it's Sharp's "spectacularge" 70-inch AQUOS LCD HDTVs that were introduced earlier this year, and have now been surpassed by a new 80-inch model the company showed off today. The LC-80LE632U isn't an Elite branded model, but it brings all the features of its smaller brethren including full LED backlighting, 120Hz motion processing, built-in WiFi and access to services like Netflix and Vudu. All that is nice, but it's standout feature is that extra viewing area, which can be yours for $5,499 (MSRP) when it starts shipping in early October. Preorders are already popping up for sub-$5k prices, if you need a big screen and can't go the projection route (front or rear) this might be a good value -- check out the details in the press release after the break.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/s...w-80-inch-mod/

Yuppie...
post #1174 of 1421
Already got a 70inch for about half that price, I'm good. Maybe Westa can pick one up...
post #1175 of 1421
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Either Cnet is wrong (possible) or Sharp has redefined 632 in this case to mean full-array, no local dimming, no Quattron.

Now Sharp just need to have a mid range 70" and their marketing department can take a break for the next 12 months
post #1176 of 1421
I wish sharp would start selling this display in the uk, I would love an 80" display.
post #1177 of 1421
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Already got a 70inch for about half that price, I'm good. Maybe Westa can pick one up...

edge lit vs back lit....i think people know which is better. i wonder what these will actually street for since they dont have the same limitations as the elites
post #1178 of 1421
Engadget is confirming it has full array LED backlighting...http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/s...w-80-inch-mod/
post #1179 of 1421
That 80" Sharp is interesting.

What I don't understand is why use LEDs to back light the panel if you aren't also local dimming them. Do LEDs just have better color?????
post #1180 of 1421
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

That 80" Sharp is interesting.

What I don't understand is why use LEDs to back light the panel if you aren't also local dimming them. Do LEDs just have better color?????

Different color. Arguable whether it's an improvement. LEDs have less of a yellowish/pinkish cast compared to CCFL backlighting (LEDs CAN tend towards slightly blueish, but not always), and LEDs last longer than CCFLs and are less fragile (although other bits will likely break before the CCFLs will). I believe they also use less electricity (in general... the large numbers of LEDs needed to cover an 80" screen make me wonder which actually wins in that dept). There may even be heat advantages. But there are definitely width advantages... you need much less depth to the case with LED backlighting compared to CCFL.
post #1181 of 1421
Any thoughts about the omission of the yellow sub pixel on the 80"?
post #1182 of 1421
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Any thoughts about the omission of the yellow sub pixel on the 80"?

Who needs it?
post #1183 of 1421
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Any thoughts about the omission of the yellow sub pixel on the 80"?

It's non quattron made in 8G fab as discussed earlier
post #1184 of 1421
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

It's non quattron made in 8G fab as discussed earlier

Sharp's press relese and website says the 80 is an X Gen panel.





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SHARP UNVEILS WORLD'S LARGEST LED LCD TV
80-inch Model Reinforces Sharp as Industry Leader in Large Flat Panel TVs
09/27/2011

MAHWAH, NJ (September 27, 2011) -- Continuing to build on its leadership in large screen LCD TVs, Sharp today introduced the largest LED LCD TV to date, the 80-inch AQUOS (80-inch diagonal) LC-80LE632U. This new TV is a full HD 1080p (1920 x 1080) Smart TV, equipped with built-in Wi-Fi and access to apps like Netflix®, CinemaNow® and VUDU™ as well as Sharp's exclusive AQUOS Advantage Live℠ online support.

"Our 80-inch AQUOS TV delivers more than double the screen area of a 55-inch TV, for an amazing viewing experience," said John Herrington, president, Sharp Electronics Marketing Company of America. "It's truly like nothing else on the market. Consumers want bigger flat panel TVs for deeper, more immersive viewing experiences and that's exactly what Sharp's delivering here," Herrington continued.

The AQUOS 80-inch LED LCDTV offers stunning picture quality and sleek design. The full array LED backlighting system ensures uniformity in both color and brightness from edge to edge and corner to corner while also enabling an incredible dynamic contrast ratio of 6,000,000:1. Additionally, the LC-80LE632U employs 120Hz Fine Motion Enhanced which virtually eliminates blur and motion artifacts in fast-moving video. At an incredible depth of less than four inches, the new AQUOS 80" is a stylish replacement for similar screen size rear-projection TVs, with depth of almost two feet.

With AQUOS Advantage LIVE℠, Sharp AQUOS Advantage Advisors can remotely connect to the TV through the Internet to assist with TV setup, troubleshoot and optimize the picture quality.

The LC-80LE632U is the latest expression of Sharp's goal of providing a large screen TV to fit virtually any need or budget. It is the centerpiece to Sharp's large-screen push of 2011, following the release of five Sharp AQUOS 70-inch class TVs, and 10 AQUOS 60-inch class TVs.

The AQUOS LC-80LE632U Television features:

80-inch Class (80-inch diagonal) – more than double the screen area of a 55-inch Class TV;
Smart TV - delivers Netflix®, CinemaNow® and VUDU™ streaming video, customized Internet content and live customer support via built-in Wi-Fi;
AQUOS Advantage LIVE℠ - a suite of premium connected services featuring the ability for AQUOS Advantage Advisors to remotely assist customers with setup and settings management directly over the Internet, right in the comfort of their own home;
Full HD 1080p X-Gen LCD Panel – with 10-bit processing is designed with advanced pixel control to minimize light leakage and wider aperture to let more light through;
Vyper Drive - game mode eliminates perceptible lag between video game consoles and the TV display;
Dual USB Inputs - enable viewing high-resolution video, music and digital photos on the TV; 120Hz Fine Motion Enhanced – for improved fast motion picture quality
post #1185 of 1421
Looks tempting - I wonder if they are gonig to make a 3D version of this TV
post #1186 of 1421
Thread Starter 
Another amazing Sharp() breakthrough with the following potential:

- projector market entering shakeup

- next year 80" Elite for $$$$$

- 'always crave for bigger' folks yelling here : too small, me gonna wait for the 90"
post #1187 of 1421
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Any thoughts about the omission of the yellow sub pixel on the 80"?

It's not a state-of-the-art panel, even though they claim it's "X-Gen" whatever that means. They are using one of their 8G lines to make them that wasn't ever upgraded to Quattron and, honestly, I doubt the performance of the TV overall will watch even what you see the 70LC732 do (I would argue Sharp know this, which is why they soft pedaled the model number with a 632. I will also pre-empt the ridiculous, fawning comments that will come here on AVS by saying people will believe what they want to believe.)

It's likely that they will make changes to the line to deliver better panels if they are planning on offering upgraded models of this in the future.

Regardless, it's -- again -- an amazing price for a product no one else can currently dream of delivering. I am fascinated to see if Panasonic wakes up and responds to Sharps 70s and 80s; history has shown us Samsung cannot. (That said, Samsung could use the same trick Sharp is using to make 80s and, in fact, is kind of using that trick to fab the 75 that they aren't actually selling.)
post #1188 of 1421
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Razor Time View Post

I wish sharp would start selling this display in the uk, I would love an 80" display.

We have also learned that Sharp will be bringing a range of 70 and 80-inch TVs to the market in 2012 in both the US and Europe. The TVs will be unveiled at CES 2012 in Las Vegas this January.
post #1189 of 1421
I bet Europen prices on these will be x2 on the US prices.
I am waiting for this 80' panel to start shipping and be reviewed in order to decide whether I want 70' or 80' imported from the US.
I am not a pic quality diehard, hence if 80' is at least average - it will be my next TV.
post #1190 of 1421
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

We have also learned that Sharp will be bringing a range of 70 and 80-inch TVs to the market in 2012 in both the US and Europe. The TVs will be unveiled at CES 2012 in Las Vegas this January.

Any ideas on what might be included?

I assume there will be something in between the 6xx/7xx and Elite 70" and 80" models.
post #1191 of 1421
If the 80" is coming to Europe I better get saving.
post #1192 of 1421
Rogo it is exactly that claim of it being X gen as opposed to 8G that I was focusing on. It must mean that they haven't done "nothing" to the 8G fab, no? Or am I being naive, I.e. that this is entirely a marketing language gimmick with no basis in reality?
post #1193 of 1421
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogo View Post

It's not a state-of-the-art panel, even though they claim it's "X-Gen" whatever that means. They are using one of their 8G lines to make them that wasn't ever upgraded to Quattron and, honestly, I doubt the performance of the TV overall....

There seems to be no real meaning in juggling those X-Gen, Quattron, 8G, designations. Nobody was able to show that the Quattron with its sexy yellow subpixel is ultimately superior to other panels. It should be thus expected that the 80" will provide solid decent performance without any problems except of those due to the lack of local dimming. Much more concern could be directed towards the content quality, e.g. is broadcast HDTV still acceptable for watching on such a big glass?
post #1194 of 1421
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Rogo it is exactly that claim of it being X gen as opposed to 8G that I was focusing on. It must mean that they haven't done "nothing" to the 8G fab, no? Or am I being naive, I.e. that this is entirely a marketing language gimmick with no basis in reality?

I'm sure they did something Anthony. I mean it wasn't originally set up to do masking of 80" displays so they had to change the way everything was functioning. There has to be a reason they didn't go Quattron, presumably because they couldn't work in the yellow color filter step on the line.

It's pretty telling that they labeled it 632, not 732. It's Sharp's way of signaling "this isn't as good as the 70" 732 in terms of picture quality, but obviously it's bigger". I'm guessing whatever happens in 2012 will include better options in the 80" class.

I'd imagine it will also include something "in between" in the 70" class because -- as I outlined earlier -- they are giving up tens of millions of dollars in gross margin with their current 70" strategy. That said, I will be very surprised if much of anything happens performance-wise in the 70" line next year. The entry product is very non-terrible and very inexpensive. It's likely going to remain inexpensive and there isn't much they can do to improve it and keep it at that price.

It's worth noting that the Sharp 70" line is configured to precisely fall under the new Energy Star guidelines, which require TVs to use no more than 108 watts. So if they added even a single additional LED, they'd have to lower the wattage used in each of them (or in the circuit boards) to compensate. For example, if they wanted to solve the issue of the darkened corners, they'd have to make a tradeoff someone else to do so.

My point here is, things will probably get better; they'll have had a year to work on it. And something like the "935" will probably emerge, offering most (all?) of the Elite's performance for less money. Assuming the 80" is well received at all, I'm sure they'll do one better model (perhaps two, but this is such a small volume product, distribution is going to be tricky enough to manage).

The quote from Flatpanels HD, however, is akin to "we have learned the sun will rise in the east tomorrow". I mean of course they'll announce new models at CES. When haven't they in the past decade? Reminds me, I gotta work on getting that Elite....
post #1195 of 1421
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogo View Post

It's pretty telling that they labeled it 632, not 732. It's Sharp's way of signaling "this isn't as good as the 70" 732 in terms of picture quality, but obviously it's bigger". I'm guessing whatever happens in 2012 will include better options in the 80" class.

Of course Sharp is trying to differentiate Quattron from other panels. Now in practice was anybody able to show that the 632 is worse than the 732 PQ-wise?

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

The quote from Flatpanels HD, however, is akin to "we have learned the sun will rise in the east tomorrow". I mean of course they'll announce new models at CES. When haven't they in the past decade? Reminds me, I gotta work on getting that Elite....

Most significant in the Flatpanel news is that Sharp plans to release the 70" and 80" in EUrope and globally then. This may happen just after the CES without
usual long delay times.
post #1196 of 1421
Wow! an 80" LCD for under $5k street price. The day is finally here. I wonder if that will take away and of the Mitsubishi DLP sales. That would be a worthy upgrade in size from my 67" LED DLP set.
post #1197 of 1421
yea a 80 inch is very tempting...I currently have the 70, and it is great size...but the 80 is not that much bigger, and after having the 70 for a little bit....you always want more size. I guess just like irk stated my main concern would be just watching regular HDtv...becuause thats what I primarily watch. Does anybody know if it is even possible for HDTV to look remotely good on a 80 inch tv?....Would I have to wait for the resolutions standards to get better?, Would the elite technology fare well on a 80 inch model?. I have the space, and I am very interested in the 80 for possibly next year.
post #1198 of 1421
I wonder if Sharp improves the picture quality in this new 80". I find that the pictures aren't very nice on the 70".
post #1199 of 1421
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Originally Posted by zzoo View Post

I wonder if Sharp improves the picture quality in this new 80". I find that the pictures aren't very nice on the 70".

Assuming you're NOT talking about the Elites, if you're not happy with the PQ on the 70" models, it's highly unlikely you're going to like the PQ of the new 80" model. As people have been discussing for several posts above, the "632" in the 80" model number seems to indicate that it will be a lower level set than the "732" and "735" and so forth in the 70" models. Plus the pixels are now that much bigger and more obvious (same number of pixels, larger panel to cover), and the backlight has to light up that much more area without drawing more power.
post #1200 of 1421
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Originally Posted by AVSallday View Post

yea a 80 inch is very tempting...I currently have the 70, and it is great size...but the 80 is not that much bigger, and after having the 70 for a little bit....you always want more size. I guess just like irk stated my main concern would be just watching regular HDtv...becuause thats what I primarily watch. Does anybody know if it is even possible for HDTV to look remotely good on a 80 inch tv?....Would I have to wait for the resolutions standards to get better?, Would the elite technology fare well on a 80 inch model?. I have the space, and I am very interested in the 80 for possibly next year.

It can look good with an Algolith Flea. Without it broadcast would not look very good on my 67" set. That combined with my DVDO DUO makes for a good picture from broadcast sources.
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