Official 70"+ LCD thread - Page 14

The Sharp LC-70LE732U is up on the website with manuals etc

http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home...C70LE732U.aspx

Just going off what some that are a little closer to the industry have said, isn't an LED display less costly to build? Now that CCFL is on its way out, is it possible that Sharp said, "we want to build a large display, what's the most cost effective way to do it and still get the performance, without the issues that edge-lit introduces". They already have some experience to draw on...wasn't the 700 from a couple years back a non local dimming full array LED? Maybe as a compromise they are using LED back lighting similar to the 700 and something similar to what Samsung is doing with algorithms on the D8000 to eek out a bit more performance.

EDIT: I have had a chance to read Chad's review....disregard the algorythm theory, I think.

The R&D baby was the XS-1 @$15K that paved the way for this and the main run smaller 700's.

Many people seemed to have forgotten about the XS1 because they were so friggin expensive.

I was chatting online with a Sharp rep today and they said the LC-70LE735U will be coming out in Aug or September and is the 3D version of the LC-70LE732U. They said they have no information on the LC-70LE935U

They said the LC-70LE732U should retail for $3299 and the LC-70LE735U should retail for $4499

....just the messenger

Looks like we might see the 75" Samsung afterall. There are many more reports from the past couple days and I am hoping that this is no hype. I am preordered the 65 however a 75 would be great. If anyone has any more news I would appreciate the feedback thanks.

Saw the LC-70LE732U at fry's electonics in dallas today. They said they just took it out of the box. You're correct on the price, because that's exactly what they are selling it for. Black level looked good, plenty bright. There was a 65" samsung next too it that look like it was resolving a little more detail, and I could tell there was a delay in the processing. When a scene would change (they were all getting the same picture feed), the sharp would take a frame or two extra to change. I snuck into the menu, took it off of store dynamic mode, and went through and turned off a lot of the processing, which helped the delay a lot (it changed scenes with the other sets around it more consistently). It appears to have a full blown CMS (hue, sat, and brightness for each color). It also has a film mode setting, as well as a 120 motion setting. I guess this is their answer to addressing 24p de-judder vs LCD deficient motion handling, which yes-they are 2 totally different things.

What reports?

no removable power cord

That's bad news for any hope of reasonable 935 pricing if true.

Let me make attempt #9102349032589 at this.

First, cite the reports. Actual reports, not other meaningless posts here.

Second, they have yet to announce a 65-inch display for 2011. None has been announced. It strikes me as utterly fantastical to believe there will be a 75 inch when there is a reasonable degree of uncertainty as to whether you'll even be able to buy a 65 inch.

Third, the price of the 75 would almost certainly exceed $10,000 US. Are you still interested?

Nope full array was much more expensive to built hence driving sammy to invent edge lit in 2009. number of LEDs in edge lit keep decreasing due to LED shortage and forced advancement in light guide plates.

But come 2011 LED is no longer in shortage but oversupply so the price competitiveness vs CCFL may have changed, but I doubt by that much to say full array is cheaper.

Edge lit with light guides are a challenging and inefficient design - light guides are typically only 20-30% efficient (light output vs. light input) and getting a uniform pattern out of the light guide in a tight package is why there are comments on flash lighting, clouding etc., - higher lumen LEDs can be used which drive cost and heat plus worsen the effect.

Direct lit (full array) is much more efficient - lower output (cost) LEDs can be used however they are still 'point sources' and optics are required to get a uniform backlight - it this case the more package depth the better. Not only for the components - but to allow more 'mixing' area between the LEDs and the optics. It would also blend the local dimming zones to avoid the banding that seemed to plague very thin local dimming full array packages (like the LG 8500 series)

I think if it wasn't for aesthics - a 6"+ deep full array set with local dimming would be amazing

Cost on these Sets to SEARS is $2600

Samsung's large-screen pricing is delusional now. Not sure why you think it will change from there even with Sharp out.

It seems likely, yes. Certain? Call me when it's actually on sale from Samsung. As for this mythic 75 inch. If it's announced at IFA in Sept., you certainly won't be buying one in the U.S. this year.

Agree totally with their pricing formula being delusional and the feedback on this forum has not been good for it and attribute it to a lack of competition in LCD with 65" in 2010 and so they owned that segment and felt what the hell lets use that. I own a 55" C6400 and I really like it very much for the bargain price I got it for a secondary viewing room but what shocked me when I set it up is how cheap it seems compared to my Sony and Sharps and makes me question longetivity of the panel and of course if anyone has had to deal with Samsung support as I have with my network with several hundred of their LCD Monitors they are horrendous and nothing like my US manufacturers like Planar and HP. My point is that after buying this I could not understand why the huge MSRP and retail for that 65" - it seems ludicrous!

What I find interesting is that IFA last year and another International Trade Show in Summer 2010 Samsung announced a 70" LCD in Asia and where they hell is it? Some seem to think you can just create substrates out of thin air and of course they can do a prototype but where are they going to get motherglass to make cuts like Sharp can? I don't recall any announcement of any factory build that would accomodate that 75" to be produced in volume unless of course the 75" becomes a boutique panel that Hedge fund managers can afford but forget about the rest of us. Samsung has the resources to develop and build this TV but they cannot create substrates that size in volume without having the facility built first. There are larger panels in China but I believe their monster panels from makers like Konka are quite the opposite of the Samsung super slim panels.

If we're proved wrong then Bravo - but it's unlikely Samsung can turn on a dime and pull a volume of these at Sharp prices out of their behinds.

Pretty much my feeling. Sharp is in position to dominate the 70" segment, and the LC-70LE732U is a great step in that direction.

How much return do they need? Interest rates in Japan are very low.

Also I think given the earthquake the Bank of Japan is going to be printing lots of Yen to stimulate the export economy.

Having faced the dearth of large flat screen TV's over the years (sorry, $20K to $33K Sony 70" LCD doesn't count) I am finding this pricing info to be amazing, if not incredible. I have not been this interested in an A/V product since my first HDTV in 2001. I may wait to compare one with the full-array sets later this year (I am not interested in 3D), but if these sets are as good as the reviews I have read thus far, I am buying.

best buy has it up now for sale http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sharp+-+...&skuId=2047632

Shocking - also available in Canada on Best Buy's site!

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/...772c2f7670en02

RETAIL gross margin of 10% on these pioneering sets sounds very low.

I would guess at least 20% for the 935.

Can someone tell me if this set has flashlight and clouding problems like the samsungs and how the black level holds up in dim lighting? Thanks!

Hey Tapout, haven't seen you around in quite a while, how have you been?

No flashlighting, no clouding, blacks look very good. Blacks seem much better than my Samsung 55c7000.