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post #151 of 524
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Originally Posted by evilengineer View Post

Interesting.

Let's hope a similar issue doesn't occur in 12-18 months time when people want to start swapping out drives for 4TB models!

Anything is possible. They've only ever advertised support for the 3TB disks and a maximum size of the entire array of 45TB.

It seems a bit much to think that they can pre-emptively build the software to account for disk sizes which do not currently exist, even in their labs.
post #152 of 524
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Anything is possible. They've only ever advertised support for the 3TB disks and a maximum size of the entire array of 45TB.

It seems a bit much to think that they can pre-emptively build the software to account for disk sizes which do not currently exist, even in their labs.

I'm really hoping that it doesn't happen with 4TB HDs too. I'm praying that it was just the >2TB hurdle that required the fixing, and so 3, 4, or even 5 TB HDs might work fine with 3.1. Please?

I'm bummed about this, though, as I've built a nice 8x2TB volume on my 1511/510 combo, with the intent in the future (like others) of upgrading to 3TBs. So I'm gonna have to rebuild the whole deal, I guess. I've got a backup NAS and only about 4TB to do, but still, I'm sure it will take another 70+ hours to recreate the volume. Not looking forward to that...
post #153 of 524
It very likely was the 2TB hurdle. I expect the newer Synology devices (basically all that can be upgraded to 3.1 today) to support >3TB disks in future.
post #154 of 524
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I'm really hoping that it doesn't happen with 4TB HDs too. I'm praying that it was just the >2TB hurdle that required the fixing, and so 3, 4, or even 5 TB HDs might work fine with 3.1. Please?

I'm bummed about this, though, as I've built a nice 8x2TB volume on my 1511/510 combo, with the intent in the future (like others) of upgrading to 3TBs. So I'm gonna have to rebuild the whole deal, I guess. I've got a backup NAS and only about 4TB to do, but still, I'm sure it will take another 70+ hours to recreate the volume. Not looking forward to that...

There is no reason to do the full error check routine, etc, if you've already done it once and the disks have not changed. When you choose that option the Synology is writing to every block on the disc so that bad sectors get re-mapped in advance of regular usage on the volume.

If you've done it once there's no need to do it again, I just blew the volume away and re-created it the quick way and it took about 10 minutes.
post #155 of 524
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I just blew the volume away and re-created it the quick way and it took about 10 minutes.

NICE!!! Thanks. That will save me a few days worth of time...
post #156 of 524
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NICE!!! Thanks. That will save me a few days worth of time...

Just to provide even more detail, every hard drive ever made has bad sectors (even brand new ones) and has a group of 'spare' sectors to re-map bad sectors to.

All the 'full disc check' option does during volume creation is map out all of these bad sectors in advance so that you won't see performance issues down the road if you had a bunch of bad sectors on multiple drives (still should not cause a problem just could cause some performance hits).

Not doing this the first time around is a poor idea since it's also possible you have a marginal hard drive and that's not something you want to discover after putting a volume into operation.

If you've already done this it's done for good, when you add a new drive it always does a full sector check on it too so that should not be a concern either (adding a disk to expand the volume vertically takes a REALLY long time too).
post #157 of 524
When I recreated my volume it seemed to only take a day and not the 1 1/2 to 2 days it took the first time.
post #158 of 524
this is why i created my 15x3tb volume up front...
post #159 of 524
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this is why i created my 15x3tb volume up front...

Fair enough but most of us found the box expensive enough without spending $3000 on drives!
post #160 of 524
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this is why i created my 15x3tb volume up front...

You lucky *******! Just curious, how large is the available volume with that, by the way? I assume around 41TB or so?

Also, for anyone who just happens to be using their 1511/510 with a PopcornHour A-200, I've been struggling to successfully stream to it from the NAS via SMB protocol for the past month after my purchase (my other TV setup - QNAP 859 Pro+ and PCH C-200 works via SMB just fine). Just changed it to NFS and now all is working as intended, no video hiccups, etc. Not sure why SMB wasn't working with the 1511 and A-200, but NFS has apparently fixed the problem (fingers crossed...)
post #161 of 524
I've had a 1511 working with a Popcorn Hour C200 for the last couple of weeks without any bother on SMB.

My main (minor) annoyance at the moment is windows (Win7-x64) keeps refusing to connect to the share (mapped as a network drive) without re-entering the username/password details despite ticking the "remember credentials" box. Any ideas?
post #162 of 524
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You lucky *******! Just curious, how large is the available volume with that, by the way? I assume around 41TB or so?

It's ~36tb using a raid 6 volume...
post #163 of 524
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My main (minor) annoyance at the moment is windows (Win7-x64) keeps refusing to connect to the share (mapped as a network drive) without re-entering the username/password details despite ticking the "remember credentials" box. Any ideas?

I think that when I created the share I right-clicked on it, selected "properties", and then under the "Security" tab set permissions for everyone to allow everything ("full control," "modify," etc.). I'm not sure if I did anything else. I'm sure when you created the share you selected "reconnect at logon" and also "connect using different credentials" (and then entered the user name/password for the specific share). Other than that, I don't think I did anything else. I have two NAS, and both automatically connect.
post #164 of 524
whoa! just failed a wd 3tb drive in my volume... system went into "degraded" mode... disk5 in 510-1 "not initializing"... it recommended and i tried repair with erase all data on disk...failed. system not booting... synology assistant detecting 1511, status "staring services" and doesn't go further... Physically remove failed drive, boot, system fine, "checking parity consistency" for what looks like days to come... 20tb of data intact and accessible... will be left with new 14 x 3tb raid 6 volume... tried local shops for replacement hdd, no luck... Will order 3 new online to have 2 on standby for worst case (yet recoverable) scenario... this all happened immediately after updating to dsm 3.1, but also its first reboot in a couple of months...
post #165 of 524
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whoa! just failed a wd 3tb drive in my volume... system went into "degraded" mode... disk5 in 510-1 "not initializing"... it recommended and i tried repair with erase all data on disk...failed. system not booting... synology assistant detecting 1511, status "staring services" and doesn't go further... Physically remove failed drive, boot, system fine, "checking parity consistency" for what looks like days to come... 20tb of data intact and accessible... will be left with new 14 x 3tb raid 6 volume... tried local shops for replacement hdd, no luck... Will order 3 new online to have 2 on standby for worst case (yet recoverable) scenario... this all happened immediately after updating to dsm 3.1, but also its first reboot in a couple of months...

Whoa is right! Them drives ain't more than a few months old! That's some BS. Good thing you had the foresight to go RAID6! I, myself, have a full backup NAS (2 RAID5, 1 a mirror of the other). Any idea why the drive failed? Have your temps been running high at all?
post #166 of 524
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whoa! just failed a wd 3tb drive in my volume... system went into "degraded" mode... disk5 in 510-1 "not initializing"... it recommended and i tried repair with erase all data on disk...failed. system not booting... synology assistant detecting 1511, status "staring services" and doesn't go further... Physically remove failed drive, boot, system fine, "checking parity consistency" for what looks like days to come... 20tb of data intact and accessible... will be left with new 14 x 3tb raid 6 volume... tried local shops for replacement hdd, no luck... Will order 3 new online to have 2 on standby for worst case (yet recoverable) scenario... this all happened immediately after updating to dsm 3.1, but also its first reboot in a couple of months...

Thats why i went ahead and recreated my volume under Dsm 3.1. Can you attach the bad drive to you pc and check the disk to see if its actually the disk or Dsm 3.0?

I went with the Hybrid raid with the 2 disk fault tolerance.
post #167 of 524
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whoa! just failed a wd 3tb drive in my volume... system went into "degraded" mode... disk5 in 510-1 "not initializing"... it recommended and i tried repair with erase all data on disk...failed. system not booting... synology assistant detecting 1511, status "staring services" and doesn't go further... Physically remove failed drive, boot, system fine, "checking parity consistency" for what looks like days to come... 20tb of data intact and accessible... will be left with new 14 x 3tb raid 6 volume... tried local shops for replacement hdd, no luck... Will order 3 new online to have 2 on standby for worst case (yet recoverable) scenario... this all happened immediately after updating to dsm 3.1, but also its first reboot in a couple of months...

Out of curiosity do you run yours on a power conditioner or good quality UPS? In my experience hard drives that fail in a very short of time are often subjected to power brownouts, etc, but obviously a certain percentage will fail for any random reason.
post #168 of 524
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. . . but obviously a certain percentage will fail for any random reason.

. . . and I would bet that it is simply infant mortality, considering that they are cutting-edge drives. With 15 drives, the percentages are pretty good that one would fail early.

When you get your 3 new drives, I would suggest exercising the spares for a little while, so that if they fail, they will still be in warranty.
post #169 of 524
props to synology for a sound and secure setup... hdd management tools are comprehensive with a massive amount of diagnostic information... it seems that my failed hdd experiences ~1200 "Raw_Read_Error_Rate" whereas the other hdds i checked had 0... temperatures where good and i should look into a good ups and power conditioner... will do some more testing on failed hdd when time permits... may be salvageable for non critical use, but i will never trust it for use in the 1511 again...
post #170 of 524
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Originally Posted by Lush78 View Post

props to synology for a sound and secure setup... hdd management tools are comprehensive with a massive amount of diagnostic information... it seems that my failed hdd experiences ~1200 "Raw_Read_Error_Rate" whereas the other hdds i checked had 0... temperatures where good and i should look into a good ups and power conditioner... will do some more testing on failed hdd when time permits... may be salvageable for non critical use, but i will never trust it for use in the 1511 again...

It's covered under warranty, certainly? I wouldn't use that thing for anything other than a doorstop at this point; not worth the worry. I have some serious concerns about the >2TB drives (maybe I shouldn't though... ) - I just wonder if attempts to try and pack greater capacity into that fixed size, and if the new platter technology will hold up. I assume they wouldn't be on the market if they weren't reliable, right?
post #171 of 524
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. . . I have some serious concerns about the >2TB drives . . .

I use to say that about trying to put more than 200 cylinders on a 14 inch platter.
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I use to say that about trying to put more than 200 cylinders on a 14 inch platter.
At least we have come a long way from these days!
LL
post #173 of 524
I got my volume set up and now I'm trying to copy over data and running into speed problems. I'm getting 8-9 MB/sec. I am copying from a USB2.0 hard drive on a win 7 pc via smb. The ds1511 and win 7 pc are both plugged into a gig switch, although I know the usb2.0 is the limiting factor. I have been streaming full bit rate blu rays from the same usb hard drive to my boxee, which would take more than 8-9 MB/sec, so I'm confused. Any ideas on what to check?
post #174 of 524
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I got my volume set up and now I'm trying to copy over data and running into speed problems. I'm getting 8-9 MB/sec. I am copying from a USB2.0 hard drive on a win 7 pc via smb. The ds1511 and win 7 pc are both plugged into a gig switch, although I know the usb2.0 is the limiting factor. I have been streaming full bit rate blu rays from the same usb hard drive to my boxee, which would take more than 8-9 MB/sec, so I'm confused. Any ideas on what to check?

No, blu-ray does not take more than 8-9MB/s. Blu-ray takes about 40-50Mb/s which equates to about 5-5.5 MB/s.
post #175 of 524
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No, blu-ray does not take more than 8-9MB/s. Blu-ray takes about 40-50Mb/s which equates to about 5-5.5 MB/s.

OK, then what I'm getting sounds about right?
post #176 of 524
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I got my volume set up and now I'm trying to copy over data and running into speed problems. I'm getting 8-9 MB/sec. I am copying from a USB2.0 hard drive on a win 7 pc via smb. The ds1511 and win 7 pc are both plugged into a gig switch, although I know the usb2.0 is the limiting factor. I have been streaming full bit rate blu rays from the same usb hard drive to my boxee, which would take more than 8-9 MB/sec, so I'm confused. Any ideas on what to check?

Can't u attach the usb drive directly to the 1511? That way u avoid the files havin to move through windows. I'm sure it's possible, and usb 2 can handle 480 Mb/s theoretically, so it sure as heck ain't the limiting factor. Going through win7 is likely your issue.
post #177 of 524
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OK, then what I'm getting sounds about right?

Why don't you try transferring some data from the internal drive of the Windows 7 box as a comparison.

USB2 should be capable of transferring data at speeds up to 30MB/s. However, the fact that you are seeing slow transfers doesn't prove that there is a problem in your Synology box.

You could have a bad data port on your data switch, or a bad cable. You could have a speed/duplex mis-match causing collisions which will choke the speed down substantially.

A friend of mine bought a DS1511+ about two weeks ago and called me up swearing about what a piece of crap it was. Some investigation proved out that he had a duplicate IP address on his network (he had statically assigned an IP to the Synology that was already being used by something else on the network, duh).

So, there would be a lot more testing for you to do before you know what the cause of the slow transfer is.

But, first off I would try transferring from a few other machines on the network. Even a slow laptop hard drive should be capable of doing transfers to the Synology box over SMB at speeds of 30+ MB/s.
post #178 of 524
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Originally Posted by jcfay View Post

Can't u attach the usb drive directly to the 1511? That way u avoid the files havin to move through windows. I'm sure it's possible, and usb 2 can handle 480 Mb/s theoretically, so it sure as heck ain't the limiting factor. Going through win7 is likely your issue.

Good point, that should work too.
post #179 of 524
Thanks, I was looking for some suggestions and will try some of these.
post #180 of 524
Its great to see so many people buying into the DS1511+.

Anyone tried to expand the DS array with a third party port-multiplier enclosure?

At almost $500 the DX510 is way overpriced for what it is.
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