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post #511 of 581
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If you were uber concerned about cost, then you could simply cobble together a monster UNRaid setup using cheap eBay components. It would perform nearly as well as the Synology for basic media streaming and cost probably 50% as much for similar capabilities (you could go with 8X2TB drives, go with cheap 8 bay external enclosure, and a cheap PC).

However, I'm not a fan of cheap, whether it comes to NAS (I like Synology), cars (I like Audi & BMW) or firearms (Sig Sauer please).
post #512 of 581
Hola again:

Well I have the 3 (4) TB drives installed and I immediately found the 412 on my network and got started.

I have a SHR RAID 5 set up and it's going through a data scrub right now...just 4% finished after an hour. Is this a necessary process with brand new drives? At this rate it will take more than a day...can I cancel it for now?

Any other tips or suggestions?

Oh, and as far as the best methodology for transferring my external HDD onto this volume, just connect right to the 412 via USB, correct?

thanks!

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 6/7/13 at 10:17am
post #513 of 581
I've received and setup my 1812+ with 6 3TB REDs. All looks good. I'm now starting to transfer 6 TBs of data from my HP MediaServer to the Synology. Doing this the traditional way over the network - drag and drop - using TeraCopy will take 2 days.

Is there a faster way?

Thanks!

Louis
Edited by Mathelo - 6/7/13 at 5:08pm
post #514 of 581
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Hola again:

Well I have the 3 (4) TB drives installed and I immediately found the 412 on my network and got started.

I have a SHR RAID 5 set up and it's going through a data scrub right now...just 4% finished after an hour. Is this a necessary process with brand new drives? At this rate it will take more than a day...can I cancel it for now?

Any other tips or suggestions?

Oh, and as far as the best methodology for transferring my external HDD onto this volume, just connect right to the 412 via USB, correct?

thanks!

James
All drives have errors (even new ones). Doing a full verify is slow but maps out all the bad blocks so there are no performance issues later. Do you have to do it? No. You can create the volume and skip the check if you want.
post #515 of 581
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Originally Posted by Mathelo View Post

I've received and setup my 1812+ with 6 3TB REDs. All looks good. I'm now starting to transfer 6 TBs of data from my HP MediaServer to the Synology. Doing this the traditional way over the network - drag and drop - using TeraCopy will take 2 days.

Is there a faster way?

Thanks!

Louis
You can try robocopy or sync toy. Could be a bit faster.
post #516 of 581
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

You can try robocopy or sync toy. Could be a bit faster.

Decided to give FastCopy a try. Copying over 60 MG / sec. Seems pretty good.
post #517 of 581
hey everyone:

Just transferred over about 3 1/2 terabytes as of this am to my 412+ and although I haven't had a chance to mess around too much, I'm hoping I can easily move a half dozen rips to it when I get home. I say "hope" because trying to access it through my laptop yday was proving to be hopeless.

It kept asking me for a name and password and I kept trying the ONLY one I've used thus far: "admin" and a very simple 8 character password. Said it was wrong every time. I went through "settings" "network" and every other area I could find to set this up/fix the problem, but no joy.

Anything jump out to any one? Honestly, it took me forever simply to create a folder/"share" to move the files over from the external hdd. I never thought it would be so difficult to simply view my volume and move files over. I know I must be missing something obvious.


thanks

James
post #518 of 581
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

hey everyone:

Just transferred over about 3 1/2 terabytes as of this am to my 412+ and although I haven't had a chance to mess around too much, I'm hoping I can easily move a half dozen rips to it when I get home. I say "hope" because trying to access it through my laptop yday was proving to be hopeless.

It kept asking me for a name and password and I kept trying the ONLY one I've used thus far: "admin" and a very simple 8 character password. Said it was wrong every time. I went through "settings" "network" and every other area I could find to set this up/fix the problem, but no joy.

Anything jump out to any one? Honestly, it took me forever simply to create a folder/"share" to move the files over from the external hdd. I never thought it would be so difficult to simply view my volume and move files over. I know I must be missing something obvious.


thanks

James

When you say you are "trying to access" it via your laptop what do you mean exactly? You are trying to map a share? You are trying to access the web interface? What are you trying to do?

The admin account should not normally be used for SMB access. You should either enable the guest account with appropriate permissions or you should create a couple of accounts with appropriate share access.
post #519 of 581
^ I was simply trying to gain access to the "MOVIE" folder within the 412...so yes, likely trying to access/map a "share", I'm assuming. I thought I had gone through the creation of a share earlier and all was fine. As of now I believe I just have my "admin" account and a dummy "Guest" account in the "user" dept.

The thing is, I gained access to the folder through the "admin" and simple password I created the day I got the synology...well before I created any "users" or "shares" that I'm aware of, anyway.

I apologize for the ambiguity. I'm still trying to figure this all out. I was thinking that because I was logged into the software it wouldn't let me use the same credentials to get access to a share, but it just worked out of nowhere after a few tries.

Basically I'm thinking:

The ONLY people who should have access to the NAS are ME (the admin) and the USERS I create, correct? So in my case, as it stands right now, "admin" and "Guest" each with their respective usernames and passwords.

But then is a device (like the PCH 400) a "user" and will absorb one of those accounts, or does the NAS recognize them as LAN devices?!

Sorry, prolly unnecessarily complicating things.

thanks for any help.
James
Edited by mastermaybe - 6/11/13 at 9:53am
post #520 of 581
By the way, it took me a GHASTLY amount of time to simply decipher how to move/copy the movie folder off my external, connected, drive to the Volume I created on the NAS. I simply expected BOTH to show up in the file station and drag and drop the folder to the Volume, but that was never the reality. Crikey, I cannot even recall how I ended up doing it, and that's unlike me, lmao.

EDIT: wait, I believe I had to first create a folder/share on the 412 and then it was available to have files moved into it, but I had a helluva time still doing that as I recall. It took a while for that "share" to appear as a viable place to move stuff, again, as I recall.

I pounded you tube and the i-net for decent tutorials but ran out of time (went out of town). My worst fear with this- or any other tech for that matter- is that I'm: A. making things much more difficult than they need to be. B. missing out on a ton of functionality.

Checking this tutorial out now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQVrVUKnZb0

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 6/11/13 at 10:03am
post #521 of 581
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As I indicated, even if "you" are using the system you should not be using the admin credentials for share access. You should create a user account that you will use and give it appropriate permissions. The reason for this is that "admin" is a highly privileged user and you could inadvertently do something "dumb" that might not be possible with another slightly less privileged account.

As far as your PCH400 it will generally try to login as "guest" with no password and would get whatever access level you set up for it. Personally, I never let devices have "write" permissions on my share volumes through the guest account because there's always the possibility that they will do something moronic and delete data.

For my system I have guest account set up with "read" access to the shares that my Boxees and HTPC need. They do not have write permissions. I then have a variety of accounts for my myself, my wife, my friends (who have remote access over the internet to the box as I allow them to use it to backup a few of their important files), etc. I also have accounts that have app specific permission. For example I have a user setup who can only access the surveillance application and then use that account when accessing my security cams from internet/mobile devices so that if the account is compromised someone can't get full access to my machine. I also have specific machine accounts for services like Time Machine backup.

Similarly if I'm remotely accessing my files I use my own personal account versus the admin account so that if I'm using an insecure PC then at most my own account will be compromised not the admin account.

This all might seem like "overkill" security wise for a small system used in the home but it's better to have these habits and be secure then be lazy with a single account and have your box wiped out or hijacked by a blackhat type of person.
post #522 of 581
^ Thanks. My users are a fantastically small group: basically, my wife and I. Maybe an avenue for a house guest to access files. As far as I can tell, I have allocated nothing but read privileges to anyone not "admin". I can change that (my admin acct and names) when I get home.

Is it safe to assume that unless I set it up otherwise, access to the 412 via my laptop/400 WILL require a user with a password, by default? This is prolly obvious through how I set up the user accounts, but it's not in front of me at the moment,

So let's say I hypotetically have (3) guests who I'd like to have access to "read" privileges simultaneously, they would all need their own user account? All 3 simply couldn't use "guest" and the password, correct?


thanks,
James
post #523 of 581
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Multiple users can simultaneously access with the same account. If you have guest access on then you won't even be prompted for connection credentials when accessing the smb shares from a PC. They try guest 1st by default.
post #524 of 581
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Also don't change the name of the admin account. You just add another account and give it similar permissions to the admin account.
post #525 of 581
Ok so I'll admit right away that I haven't looked terribly deep into this issue as I've been extremely ill the last few days. I did contact synology but ran into a bump with my 20 month old so I had to cut them short.

Basically: my 412+ has been turning itself off for about a month now. Most times I'd wake up or come home to the slow pulsing green light, but in the last week or so it would shut down within 30 mins of being powered on.

Now, the thing is on a day like today where I'm sick and I watched 8+ hours worth of movies it stayed on the entire time and is still on now.

My though was perhaps if the drives are idle for a certain amount of time it may do this...hut after minutes? And without me changing anything?

Didn't make much sense to me. Does anything obvious standout to anyone? The synology guy brought up the power supply but it running for hours at a time make me think that's prolly not it, right?

EDIT: my popcorn hour a400 isn't commanding it off, is it? Lol- only thing I use it with.

Thanks for any advice

James
post #526 of 581
I only have one small question.

I just got the 2413+ with 12x4TB Hitachi Deskstar 5k4000.

So far, I put it in Raid 6 mode, and at the moment the data scrubbing is at 90%, after 3 days.

Is Raid 6 for this setup the best option, or should I use f.ex. Raid 5 with Hot Spare, or something else? I only wanna use 1 Raid. I also guess that any SHR is not needed for me, as my NAS is full with the same 4TB disks?
Edited by demon cleaner - 9/17/13 at 1:06am
post #527 of 581
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I only have one small question.

I just got the 2413+ with 12x4TB Hitachi Deskstar 5k4000.

So far, I put it in Raid 6 mode, and at the moment the data scrubbing is at 90%, after 3 days.

Is Raid 6 for this setup the best option, or should I use f.ex. Raid 5 with Hot Spare, or something else? I only wanna use 1 Raid. I also guess that any SHR is not needed for me, as my NAS is full with the same 4TB disks?

You will get the most flexibility by choosing Synology Hybrid Raid with two disk redundancy.

This will allow you, down the road, to eventually upgrade drives to higher capacity if such capability exists in a future software release.

48TB will take a really long time to do the data scrubbing. Multiple days would not surprise me. That's one big-ass array. smile.gif
post #528 of 581
I just got notified via email that the disk check has finished, took almost 96 hours.

Can you explain me a bit more the Hybrid Raid with 2 disks redundancy please?

I mean, I don't need to use any SHR setup, as I'm anyway only using the same capacity disks, so why Synology Hybrid Raid?
post #529 of 581
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You can read about SHR here

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F

SHR with two drive redundancy offers the same level of protection as traditional RAID-6. The volume can tolerate the removal of up to two disks.

As to why you would use SHR over traditional RAID, the primary reason is that it is more flexible, especially when it comes to adding disks or eventually adding disks of larger sizes. If you never foresee the need to do that then sure, stick with RAID-6.
Edited by jmpage2 - 9/17/13 at 10:35am
post #530 of 581
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Ok so I'll admit right away that I haven't looked terribly deep into this issue as I've been extremely ill the last few days. I did contact synology but ran into a bump with my 20 month old so I had to cut them short.

Basically: my 412+ has been turning itself off for about a month now. Most times I'd wake up or come home to the slow pulsing green light, but in the last week or so it would shut down within 30 mins of being powered on.

Now, the thing is on a day like today where I'm sick and I watched 8+ hours worth of movies it stayed on the entire time and is still on now.

My though was perhaps if the drives are idle for a certain amount of time it may do this...hut after minutes? And without me changing anything?

Didn't make much sense to me. Does anything obvious standout to anyone? The synology guy brought up the power supply but it running for hours at a time make me think that's prolly not it, right?

EDIT: my popcorn hour a400 isn't commanding it off, is it? Lol- only thing I use it with.

Thanks for any advice

James

I never saw this post or I would have responded. The first thing you would want to do is disable all power saving features on the box to make sure it's not simply going to sleep when no one is using it.
post #531 of 581
^ precisely what I did and I'm fine now. My concern is HDD life? A big deal with it being "on" even though I'm not using it? Do the drives still spin?

The oddest part was that I didn't change a THING with the Synology and it was not shutting down for the first month or so of use...obviously something was prolly keeping it awake, but for the life of me I cannot think what it was as my gear has remained unchanged ditto for their settings.

Oh well, thanks.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/19/13 at 7:13am
post #532 of 581
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Hard drives are designed to be on all the time, I really wouldn't worry about it.
post #533 of 581
Boy I thought settin PLEX up would be a piece of cake...should have known better with my skill set, lmao. rolleyes.gif I realize it likely will not be a perfect solution with my 412+, but I want to give it a shot, nonetheless. If I can get some kids movies to playback on a local ipad that would be splendid...I have googled my a$$ off and have been shocked by the lack of info I've retained...even right on plex's own help section.

Well, here's what I've done.

Downloaded the PLEX app to my ipad.

Downloaded the PLEX app to my Syn 412.

Now here's where things get cloudy for me...

First, I went into my router and ensured port 32400 was "forwarded".

Then I learned that I should do this within the firewall area of my 412...so I did.

It appears that I did both correctly, but I've never forwarded a port before so I'm not 100% certain. It's a bit funny to me that I would have to do this to begin with on a private network that requires a password, but heh, what do I know? When we begin to discuss ports are we talking about a generic port that must be opened on BOTH the router AND 412? Or is exclusive to the 412? confused.gif

Within the app on the ipad it shows that I have the Synology as my default server, but the home page is completely blank. On the Synology software the PLEX page shows that "Volume 1" has been added...the only Volume that I have, AFAIK.

Before I get myself any deeper can anyone help, please? Is there something obvious that stands out? My thought is (nearly always) that they make this stuff as eay as possible.

Further, I didn't really look into what Synology offers straightaway for local and remote file access on something like a pad or iphone...does it exist- and/or superior to PLEX? I just figured PLEX would be easier...what a mistake so far.

thanks a ton.

James
post #534 of 581
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I don't know that you're going to get much help on Plex here. I know I don't use it and not sure that anyone else is either. You'd probably be better off starting a new thread either here, at Synology or Plex forums. Synology does make apps for accessing the files on your box from an iOS or Android device. Look into the DS File application for iOS or Android. They also make a DS Finder app for managing the box (looking at how much storage you have, reboots, permissions, etc.
post #535 of 581
^ Yep, that's precisely what I'm doing (looking into Syn's DS File app). I think I may have over-estimated PLEX's popularity...as again, I am finding very little in the trouble shooting arena.

Playing back media files on ipads (at least locally) would seem to me to a very big item though in the world of home media serving- I hope the DS File is at least serviceable around the house.

James
post #536 of 581
I encountered some problems when moving files.

On my Qnap, when I moved 1 file from one folder into another, it took like 1-2 seconds to move the file, I mean within the same shared folder. Like if you would move files on 1 single HDD from one folder to another, I guess the file is not physically moved, only the TOC is changed.

Move of c:\public\films\film1.iso --> c:\public\archive\

If you move the file from HDD 1 to HDD 2, it takes longer of course, as the whole file is physically moved from one disk to another.

Move of c:\public\films\film1.iso --> d:\multimedia\films\

The Synology though handles the 2 operations the same, it moves the data completely and that really takes time, I mean the same amount of time, even within the same shared folder.

Is that normal? Does it have something to do with Samba?
post #537 of 581
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^ Yep, that's precisely what I'm doing (looking into Syn's DS File app). I think I may have over-estimated PLEX's popularity...as again, I am finding very little in the trouble shooting arena.

Playing back media files on ipads (at least locally) would seem to me to a very big item though in the world of home media serving- I hope the DS File is at least serviceable around the house.

James

Plex is insanely popular. However I don't think Plex on Synology is particularly popular since Synology boxes lack the horsepower to do much transcoding of video files, which is needed typically for streaming to iPads, etc.
post #538 of 581
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Originally Posted by demon cleaner View Post

I encountered some problems when moving files.

On my Qnap, when I moved 1 file from one folder into another, it took like 1-2 seconds to move the file, I mean within the same shared folder. Like if you would move files on 1 single HDD from one folder to another, I guess the file is not physically moved, only the TOC is changed.

Move of c:\public\films\film1.iso --> c:\public\archive\

If you move the file from HDD 1 to HDD 2, it takes longer of course, as the whole file is physically moved from one disk to another.

Move of c:\public\films\film1.iso --> d:\multimedia\films\

The Synology though handles the 2 operations the same, it moves the data completely and that really takes time, I mean the same amount of time, even within the same shared folder.

Is that normal? Does it have something to do with Samba?

It does sound like an SMB thing. SMB should not attempt to determine that two files are "within the same share" and avoid moving the file over the network. It will move the file over the network to your host PC and then back to the share so what you are describing sounds normal to me.

For comparison you can use the Synology file station (from a web page on your PC) to move files within the share and that should be instantaneous since it's being done local to the share and not over SMB.
post #539 of 581
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

For comparison you can use the Synology file station (from a web page on your PC) to move files within the share and that should be instantaneous since it's being done local to the share and not over SMB.

I know that it works fine with the file station of the Synology, I just wanted to know if there's another way around if I'm using Windows Explorer?
post #540 of 581
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I know that it works fine with the file station of the Synology, I just wanted to know if there's another way around if I'm using Windows Explorer?

Not that I'm aware of, no. If you move/cut/copy the files within an SMB share, it's going to move the files through your machine and back out to the share. As far as I know, that's how SMB works.
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