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post #391 of 1725
I just taked to a game'n buddie of mine. He says the titles that look like crap, look like crap on all 3D displays. He stated the PQ right now is extremely title dependant.
post #392 of 1725
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post


Good question!

I haven't tried that configuration to date as I've been "livin' the dream" at 1080p BD 3D.

Tonight I will return to my HTPC and see if I can get 3D working with 720p. That'll give me something to report. I'll also ask Optoma what the units are designed to output from each source.

Ok, I got word back from Optoma this morning.

Output is very simple.

If you are running a single projector setup, the 3DXL will output 720p 120 hertz for everything.

If you are running a dual projector setup, the 3DXL will output native to whatever is input. ie, 720p remains 720p and 1080p remains 1080p at rate input.

This may be a simplification, but it's the best I've got until someone does more specific testing.

Hope this helps!
post #393 of 1725
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post
Ok, I got word back from Optoma this morning.

Output is very simple.

If you are running a single projector setup, the 3DXL will output 720p 120 hertz for everything.

If you are running a dual projector setup, the 3DXL will output native to whatever is input. ie, 720p remains 720p and 1080p remains 1080p at rate input.

This may be a simplification, but it's the best I've got until someone does more specific testing.

Hope this helps!
This was our area of concern brought on by the single projector 3DXL reviews from the UK. The reviewer seemed to think that feeding the 3DXL from a BD disc at 1080p and after the 3DXL down-scaled it to 720p that the image was rather "soft"

Now since the reviewer seemed to have problems in viewing the difference between reverse eye sync 3D and correct eye sync this gave some people doubts on whether his evaluation of "soft" image was justifiable and caused by the 3DXL scaler or his interpretation of this image.

Maybe your testing at 720p can help clarify this issue.
post #394 of 1725
The guy probably didn't realize projectors had focus wheels.

I haven't seen a glowing review yet, might cancel my pre order and go htpc unless I see more people blown away with it.
post #395 of 1725
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Originally Posted by IowaGuy View Post
The guy probably didn't realize projectors had focus wheels.

I haven't seen a glowing review yet, might cancel my pre order and go htpc unless I see more people blown away with it.
Yeah - Also makes me think that possibly I made a mistake in not buying a 73 or 82" Mitsu 3D DLP about 4 months ago what with all the delays in 3DXL delivery and questionable review. I hope I am proved wrong SOON.
post #396 of 1725
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Originally Posted by JOHNnDENVER View Post
I think your experience is just this title. I think some look better than others? I mean your saying 3D PS3 Games look terrible on the Mitsu DLP 3D displays. I just have not heard that from anybody else.
I'll rent another game and try it out. I wasn't trying to make a blanket statement about all PS3 games, just my experience with trying out my system that way, and it's the only PS3 3D game I have. It looked bad enough to turn back to 2D, and I have yet to experience that on my PC connected this same display. Then again the PC is set to 1080p to match the native res of the Mits DLP, so there is less scaling involved (just the checkerboarding aspect after the fact.)

I agree with the above post by wnielsenbb however, I think I'm asking for trouble with checkerboard and sending it anything other than the display's native res. The display seems much better at doing checkerboard on 1080p/24, so I was thinking the inverse might be true- that for 720p 3D gaming from a console, a 720p 3D device like the Optoma combo might work surprisingly well.
post #397 of 1725
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Originally Posted by HTFAN007 View Post
Yeah - Also makes me think that possibly I made a mistake in not buying a 73 or 82" Mitsu 3D DLP about 4 months ago what with all the delays in 3DXL delivery and questionable review. I hope I am proved wrong SOON.
Funny, I'm in the exact OPPOSITE boat now. Dell has the Mitsu 73" on craaaazzzy sale $1000 off list at $1099 w/ free delivery. If my experience with 24p bluray on the PS3 with my similar 60" was any indication, I'd be happy with this display for 3D movies. (I felt the 60" was a little too small to be fully immersed, and the 73" is quite a bit bigger in person.) However it's the poor gaming results I got with GT5 (my main game) that is holding me back a bit. I wish I knew for sure if it was the 1080p checkerboard that is causing issues with the PS3 game or if like John's friend suggested, it may be title dependent and those problems also show up on 1080p 3D plasmas and LCDs.

Brings me back to my question (sorry it's OT) if anyone has seen Gran Turismo or other PS3 3D games set up on flat panels in any stores like Best Buy? I would be able to tell in a few minutes if the checkerboard issues I see on that game are also present on the HDMI 1.4 displays (which after all also have to scale UP to 1080p from the 720p/60 3D output.)

What has not been tested is using the 720p projector as I mentioned, due to the 3D-XL delay. It would be about equal price-wise to get an HD66 or GT720 projector from Optoma and a home-brew screen (but a lot more work!)
post #398 of 1725
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post
Just wondered if you asked about the 3DXL and their response?
response was they have some on order and have been bothering optoma for a date when they will get them, optoma is not getting back to them...shipping shouldnt take long as they are 10 miles from optoma and hope to be one of the first to get their shipments because they can provide support for this box...the guy I talked to was very nice....also again he did say they are taking the glasses out and selling them as a bundle, you are getting the 3d-xl for 319 without glasses.
post #399 of 1725
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post


Ok, I got word back from Optoma this morning.

Output is very simple.

If you are running a single projector setup, the 3DXL will output 720p 120 hertz for everything.

If you are running a dual projector setup, the 3DXL will output native to whatever is input. ie, 720p remains 720p and 1080p remains 1080p at rate input.

This may be a simplification, but it's the best I've got until someone does more specific testing.

Hope this helps!

YES!

This will mean no ugly quick and dirty upscaling by the 3DXL on 720p material like PS3 games in a DUAL configuration. This was what I hoped for. Optoma better revise their manual.

Thank you very much for asking about this. The wait for the 3DXLs would be unbearable if it wasn't for you rdjam!
post #400 of 1725
I dont know, but this is really getting annoying. I can only imagine what some of you must feel like that preordered this thing a couple of months ago.
post #401 of 1725
Guys, all this talk is not making sense to me. We have several people posting that they have bought and received the 3D-XL's in the UK. We have retail websites in the UK posting that they have already sold out their first batches and are waiting for new stock. Then, we have other people posting here that the release is delayed due to technical problems. The release is obviously is not delayed at this point, because we have people receiving them and posting about it. So, I think the simple reality here is that the company can only manufacture and deliver so many units in a certain amount of time. It will take a little time for the next lot to hit the UK retailers, and a little longer for the U.S. to get it's frst shipment of stock, which will probably go quickly once delivered.

As for the technical concerns, from all I've read, it honestly sounds to me like the thing works very well, as advertized. The negative review by "Trusted Reviews" was anything but trustworthy. It seems to me to have been performed by someone who isn't adequately qualified to render a reliable review in the first place. He sounded technically lost to me--like a guy who might shop at Best Buy for gadgets, and may even be a little technically inclined, but who doesn't really fully understand what he's reviewing. He didn't even appear to know about the left-right inversion issue, which some are coining "pseudo-stereo". He apparently watched a lot of video without catching on. He also made a strange comment about adding a silver screen to boost performance while recommending the DLP-Link glasses, which do not require or benefit from a silver screen and may even be hampered by it because of hot spots and a narrowed effective viewing angle. Silver screens are for polarized images and glasses, not active-shutter 3D. The "soft image" he reported might be explained as easily as his comments about screwy 3D picture (which was apparently due to the fact that he had not set the eye polarity properly before getting started--i.e., he didn't push "invert"). In other words, the "soft" picture could be because he had his Blu-ray setup incorrectly, was using crappy or long HDMI cables, had his projector in the wrong aspet ratio, or any one of a long list of setup failures falling in the realm of operator error. No offense to him, but seriously: a man should do his homework before posting a professional review with such negative statements about a product for the whole world to read. I don't put 2 cents worth of confidence in that review, and I think that the 3D-XL and the readers were done a disservice.

Now, with that said, Vivitek, Viewsonic, and Palme are all claiming to be coming out with products in the near future (between now and May) that will render the 3D-XL nothing special. In fact, if the guys don't hurry up and get the 3D-XL to the U.S., they may just blow a good thing for themselves, because people will not wait for it if something just as good or better comes along first. If it ends up getting pushed until April-ish for the U.S. units to arrive, people like me will probably just go ahead and wait until May for the Vivitek that produces a brighter image than other so-called "3D-ready" projectors in its price range and doesn't need a separate box to convert the 3D signal. It's plug and play, starting at around $800, and ending up around $1200 for a 3200-lumen, truly-3D projector. Similarly, if Palme comes out with the 3D Theatre before the 3D-XL hits the street, or Viewsonic beats them to the street with the VP3D1, well, see ya, 3D-XL; the early bird gets the worm, and I've been waiting on you since October.

I think that those other products will probably be delayed also, though, and I think the 3d-XL will be here in the States within about a month or 6 weeks. I'm no insider, though, so I could be way off, but based on what is going on in the U.K., that seems about right. A manufacturing delay may push that to later, though. I think, at this point, that it's a matter of the time it takes for manufacturing to fill the orders.

Just be glad, though, that the company is conscientious enough not to release the product before it's debugged. I'd rather wait than buy something that doesn't work as advertised.

Optoma, if you want a reliable review on this product in the U.S., send me a unit. I was the chief engineer for a large electronics company and can setup your product properly, put it to the test, and report on it in a way that doesn't leave people scratching their heads and wondering if I am qualified to render a review. I know how to research and ask questions to make sure I'm not the problem before making a statement for all the world to read that unfairly impugns the reputation of an otherwise good product. Apparently, the little bit of reading I've already done about your product has me a step ahead of the "Trusted" reviewer that just gave the 3D-XL a black eye in front of the entire world.
post #402 of 1725
Great thoughts gotchacovered - Do you have a model number for the proposed 3D Vivitek projector?
post #403 of 1725
Well, I undestand he was confused, but not all silver screens are 3D, and certainly don't hotspot or have narrow viewing cones. Although he had the wrong reason, he isn't entirely uncorrect. I have very little doubt that if you saw 3D on my Vutec Silverstar you wouldn't want any other screen. The high gain really brings the image back to life after the 3D glasses cut the brightness so much. In 2D with my Acer H5360 it is blinding. I keep my 1080p projector for that.
post #404 of 1725
Thread Starter 
I don't think they are being held back for any reason, technical or otherwise. Word I got last week is that they are being rushed into distribution now. They've shown up for order at a few sites, so I think deliveries will be starting as soon as the retailers get them. I wish everyone could get theirs right now too!
post #405 of 1725
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Originally Posted by gotchacovered View Post

Guys, all this talk is not making sense to me. We have several people posting that they have bought and received the 3D-XL's in the UK. We have retail websites in the UK posting that they have already sold out their first batches and are waiting for new stock. Then, we have other people posting here that the release is delayed due to technical problems. The release is obviously is not delayed at this point, because we have people receiving them and posting about it. So, I think the simple reality here is that the company can only manufacture and deliver so many units in a certain amount of time. It will take a little time for the next lot to hit the UK retailers, and a little longer for the U.S. to get it's frst shipment of stock, which will probably go quickly once delivered.

As for the technical concerns, from all I've read, it honestly sounds to me like the thing works very well, as advertized. The negative review by "Trusted Reviews" was anything but trustworthy. It seems to me to have been performed by someone who isn't adequately qualified to render a reliable review in the first place. He sounded technically lost to me--like a guy who might shop at Best Buy for gadgets, and may even be a little technically inclined, but who doesn't really fully understand what he's reviewing. He didn't even appear to know about the left-right inversion issue, which some are coining "pseudo-stereo". He apparently watched a lot of video without catching on. He also made a strange comment about adding a silver screen to boost performance while recommending the DLP-Link glasses, which do not require or benefit from a silver screen and may even be hampered by it because of hot spots and a narrowed effective viewing angle. Silver screens are for polarized images and glasses, not active-shutter 3D. The "soft image" he reported might be explained as easily as his comments about screwy 3D picture (which was apparently due to the fact that he had not set the eye polarity properly before getting started--i.e., he didn't push "invert"). In other words, the "soft" picture could be because he had his Blu-ray setup incorrectly, was using crappy or long HDMI cables, had his projector in the wrong aspet ratio, or any one of a long list of setup failures falling in the realm of operator error. No offense to him, but seriously: a man should do his homework before posting a professional review with such negative statements about a product for the whole world to read. I don't put 2 cents worth of confidence in that review, and I think that the 3D-XL and the readers were done a disservice.

Now, with that said, Vivitek, Viewsonic, and Palme are all claiming to be coming out with products in the near future (between now and May) that will render the 3D-XL nothing special. In fact, if the guys don't hurry up and get the 3D-XL to the U.S., they may just blow a good thing for themselves, because people will not wait for it if something just as good or better comes along first. If it ends up getting pushed until April-ish for the U.S. units to arrive, people like me will probably just go ahead and wait until May for the Vivitek that produces a brighter image than other so-called "3D-ready" projectors in its price range and doesn't need a separate box to convert the 3D signal. It's plug and play, starting at around $800, and ending up around $1200 for a 3200-lumen, truly-3D projector. Similarly, if Palme comes out with the 3D Theatre before the 3D-XL hits the street, or Viewsonic beats them to the street with the VP3D1, well, see ya, 3D-XL; the early bird gets the worm, and I've been waiting on you since October.

I think that those other products will probably be delayed also, though, and I think the 3d-XL will be here in the States within about a month or 6 weeks. I'm no insider, though, so I could be way off, but based on what is going on in the U.K., that seems about right. A manufacturing delay may push that to later, though. I think, at this point, that it's a matter of the time it takes for manufacturing to fill the orders.

Just be glad, though, that the company is conscientious enough not to release the product before it's debugged. I'd rather wait than buy something that doesn't work as advertised.

Optoma, if you want a reliable review on this product in the U.S., send me a unit. I was the chief engineer for a large electronics company and can setup your product properly, put it to the test, and report on it in a way that doesn't leave people scratching their heads and wondering if I am qualified to render a review. I know how to research and ask questions to make sure I'm not the problem before making a statement for all the world to read that unfairly impugns the reputation of an otherwise good product. Apparently, the little bit of reading I've already done about your product has me a step ahead of the "Trusted" reviewer that just gave the 3D-XL a black eye in front of the entire world.

100% agree
post #406 of 1725
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Originally Posted by HTFAN007 View Post

Great thoughts gotchacovered - Do you have a model number for the proposed 3D Vivitek projector?

The information is limited on them right now, but the projectors I was talking about are the D5xx-3d series.

http://www.vivitekusa.com/v_pressrel...sp?press_id=20
post #407 of 1725
Sony will hop on board with their betamax version and all the competition will fold as Sony takes over the market...
post #408 of 1725
Very well said, Optoma has until the end of the month to get me one, if not I will cancel the preorder and wait until may.
post #409 of 1725
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

Well, I undestand he was confused, but not all silver screens are 3D, and certainly don't hotspot or have narrow viewing cones. Although he had the wrong reason, he isn't entirely uncorrect. I have very little doubt that if you saw 3D on my Vutec Silverstar you wouldn't want any other screen. The high gain really brings the image back to life after the 3D glasses cut the brightness so much. In 2D with my Acer H5360 it is blinding. I keep my 1080p projector for that.

Roger that, but the point is about the reviewer, and I think we both know that he was confused and was referring to the generally reputed polarization-maintaining properties of silver screens because he specifically mentioned "RealD" fans in the same sentence, while talking about a DLP-Link setup. It was an apparent mish-mash of technical jargon that would wow the average reader, but make the guy who does his homework say, "wait a minute". I don't think you or I believe that he was talking about the high-gain advantages. If he had been, I would have expected him to just recommend a high-gain screen. If he had specifically mentioned the Silverstar, it would have been perfectly valid.

That being said, I have looked at the specs on the Silverstar, and it does look impressive, but that speaks only for that specific screen, not all silvers, and certainly not broadly enough to make a general recommendation for people to buy a generic "silver screen" for a DLP-Link setup.

I do appreciate your reply, though, becase that is a nice screen you have.
post #410 of 1725
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

Sony will hop on board with their betamax version and all the competition will fold as Sony takes over the market...

Tee hee hee: You are showing your age! You should have said HDDVD versus Blu-ray.

I was always a VHS guy, myself.

Do you remember the Coleco Vision versus the Atari 5200?

Now those were the days.
post #411 of 1725
I share everyone's impatience. I pre-ordered my 3D-XL and I can't wait for it to come. But I've been down this road with Optoma before and thought this story might be helpful to a few folks.

Optoma announced the first 1080p consumer DLP projector: the HD81. I also had that on pre-order. The release date kept getting pushed back month after month. The people posting to the HD81 thread on AVS were getting more and more frustrated with the delays. People were angry. People were accusing Optoma of delaying the release unnecessarily.

The projector finally arrived. The picture was spectacular but the projector had problems. It was difficult for anyone to get through the length of a movie without it either shutting itself off or displaying a blue error screen. The same people who were accusing Optoma of delaying the release were now accusing Optoma of rushing a product to market and using us as beta testers. Optoma kept upgrading the firmware so people who got their projectors later got newer firmware and had fewer problems. Mine was one of the first shipped and I lost track of how many times I had to return it to Optoma for firmware upgrades and hardware fixes. They never could get it to stay on. Finally Optoma introduced a second generation product, the HD81-LV. Some of us who could never get the HD81 to work were able to trade the HD81 towards an HD81-LV.

I'm eager for the 3D-XL, but I want them to get it right. I don't want to have to keep returning it to Optoma for firmware upgrades because it doesn't work with one of my sources. This is the first product of its kind. I'll gladly wait to get a product that has the bugs worked out. Maybe the delay means that US customers will get version 2 firmware.

Joe
post #412 of 1725
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Originally Posted by gotchacovered View Post

Tee hee hee: You are showing your age! You should have said HDDVD versus Blu-ray.

I was always a VHS guy, myself.

Do you remember the Coleco Vision versus the Atari 5200?

Now those were the days.

Oh Gosh, yes. I had an 8-track in my car in 1968; a Betamax in 1974; a semi-hand held VHS recorder in 1980; video 8 soon after, then hi-8, then HD...and for gaming I had Magnavox Oddessy (72?) Apple II (serial number 832--78? I actually had a copy of the handwritten Wozniak papers--1.5 inches thick--for the original Apple I design--until my thought they were junk and threw them out 10 years ago) then on to the Commodore series in the 80s, my son got Coleco, Atari etc. I'm an early adopter. I wrote the first basic language Backgammon program back in the 70s and submitted it to one of the first computer magazines back then, and they rejected it. 6 months later it showed up in a book published by the same company wth some very minor changes. In those days it was the wild-wild-west among programmers. Ahh, but I digress...now back to the future...
post #413 of 1725
I am in th UK and I have had my 3dxl for a few days now and I can tell you its worth the wait. I have it hooked up to an optoma hd67 projector which is the same as a your hd66. I have tested the following with it, the 360 i have tried both avatar and black ops and both look ok in 3d although not jaw dropping. With the ps3 its a different story I have tried the killzone 3 3d demo and its stunning, also tried motorstorm 3d again its stunning. For bluray I have the new oppo bdp 93 connected to the 3dxl with the second hdmi for hd audio connected to my non 1.4 amp.The oppo is set to auto and when the 3d bluray starts it shows 1080p/24 and when the 3d mode kicks in it switches to 720p/120hz.

Now i have not noticed a soft image, it looks very sharp and detailed, though i have the brightness up a bit to compensate for the dark glasses. I have tested the following 3d blurays with it, step up,the shrek collection,bolt and resident evil afterlife. The best so far is resident evil as it has many stand out 3d moments.

The great thing about the 3dxl is that I have not noticed any cross talk at all with any 3d content be it games, movies or tvs and I could notice very easy on some 3d tvs.


So in short optoma are onto a winner and if you have projector than works with the 3dxl and you want 3d then do your self a favour and buy it you wont regret it I promise you.
post #414 of 1725
I notice that the 3D-XL has a jack for an emitter. Does anyone know which emitters will be compatible with it?

I currently have a computer with an NVIDIA 3D Vision setup attached to my Acer H5360 projector. I bought some DLP-Link glasses to use when the 3D-XL arrives. So I've used both the NVIDIA glasses and the DLP-Link glasses. With the DLP-Link glasses, I have to check polarity every time I watch a new source. I managed to get the Samsung demo 3D Blu-Ray. It has menus that take you to a lot of short clips then back to the menu. Every time I start a new clip, there is a 50% chance I'll need to invert the DLP-Link sync. That's starting to get old. It is making me appreciate the NVIDIA emitter that ensures the sync is always right.

Maybe that won't be an issue with the 3D-XL. I'm hoping that I'll just need to set the sync once when I first start the projector and 3D-XL, but if not I may be looking for an emitter and compatible glasses. Will the NVIDIA emitter work? Are there others that would be a better choice (maybe that don't have a bright green light like the NVIDIA)?

Those of you who already have the 3D-XL, how often do you find that you need to check and possibly invert the sync? Does the documenation mention which emitters are compatible?

Thanks!

Joe
post #415 of 1725
Those VESA ports in general are supposed to be compatible with anything that actually plugs in.
post #416 of 1725
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Originally Posted by Joe Linn View Post

I notice that the 3D-XL has a jack for an emitter. Does anyone know which emitters will be compatible with it?

I currently have a computer with an NVIDIA 3D Vision setup attached to my Acer H5360 projector. I bought some DLP-Link glasses to use when the 3D-XL arrives. So I've used both the NVIDIA glasses and the DLP-Link glasses. With the DLP-Link glasses, I have to check polarity every time I watch a new source. I managed to get the Samsung demo 3D Blu-Ray. It has menus that take you to a lot of short clips then back to the menu. Every time I start a new clip, there is a 50% chance I'll need to invert the DLP-Link sync. That's starting to get old. It is making me appreciate the NVIDIA emitter that ensures the sync is always right.

Maybe that won't be an issue with the 3D-XL. I'm hoping that I'll just need to set the sync once when I first start the projector and 3D-XL, but if not I may be looking for an emitter and compatible glasses. Will the NVIDIA emitter work? Are there others that would be a better choice (maybe that don't have a bright green light like the NVIDIA)?

Those of you who already have the 3D-XL, how often do you find that you need to check and possibly invert the sync? Does the documenation mention which emitters are compatible?

Thanks!

Joe

The 3d-xl doesn't have any means of correcting this via DLP-Link, since it's an issue with the nature of how 120hz signals are transmitted to the projector (no polarity included in the signal).

However, quite a few of us are interested in that emitter port, and the belief is that it should work on a VESA standard. If so, samsung/mitsubishi compatible glasses and emitters would work (the emitter must match with the glasses though).

3d-vision probably would not work - BUT - it has been theorized that there may be a way to force it if you want to try -

Basically, the emitter only enables when it receives a USB signal telling it the 3d vision computer it's connected to is sending 3d vision video. Normally, once activated, it syncs via USB, but it can accept a 3-pin VESA input to override the specific sync.

Therefore it MAY be possible to connect the emitter to a PC, then to the 3d-xl via VESA signal, then start 3d-vision material (say a movie) on the PC. Then, while the movie is still going, switch the source to whatever else (ie, ps3) you want to watch via 3d, and as long as the PC is still playing the video and enabling the emitter, it MAY allow the 3d vision emitter to use the 3-pin timing instead of the usb timing.
There's a LOT of maybe in that sentence. If you try it, let us know!


But on the other hand, just getting a standard emitter and IR glasses to match it is a much simpler solution And with ultra-clear IR glasses available at $60 (what's that, a third of extra 3d vision glasses?) if you have more than one viewer, it's probably a lot less expensive too.

This config should also work with 3d vision, you'd just need to download 3dtv play so that the PC sends an hdmi 1.4 signal (and my understanding is that 3dtv play is free for 3d vision owners).
post #417 of 1725
I think DLP is going to have aniche on this, so even if other reasonable priced projector products come out with native modern 3D support? It better be passive based. The DLP is like king of the world with active shutter. Sharp and crosstalk free.
post #418 of 1725
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Originally Posted by defiancecp View Post

The 3d-xl doesn't have any means of correcting this via DLP-Link, since it's an issue with the nature of how 120hz signals are transmitted to the projector (no polarity included in the signal).

However, quite a few of us are interested in that emitter port, and the belief is that it should work on a VESA standard. If so, samsung/mitsubishi compatible glasses and emitters would work (the emitter must match with the glasses though).

3d-vision probably would not work - BUT - it has been theorized that there may be a way to force it if you want to try -

Basically, the emitter only enables when it receives a USB signal telling it the 3d vision computer it's connected to is sending 3d vision video. Normally, once activated, it syncs via USB, but it can accept a 3-pin VESA input to override the specific sync.

Therefore it MAY be possible to connect the emitter to a PC, then to the 3d-xl via VESA signal, then start 3d-vision material (say a movie) on the PC. Then, while the movie is still going, switch the source to whatever else (ie, ps3) you want to watch via 3d, and as long as the PC is still playing the video and enabling the emitter, it MAY allow the 3d vision emitter to use the 3-pin timing instead of the usb timing.
There's a LOT of maybe in that sentence. If you try it, let us know!

I've done that to play 360 or PS3 3D content on my Mits DLP TV, Mits 3D checkerboard adapter, and 3D Vision glasses. It's a PITA to make sure the PC stays awake and playing 3D content (I use the Nvidia 3D screen shots sampler which loops until stopped.)
post #419 of 1725
Just spoke to Tru3d and they said they are getting them in early next week for immediate shipping, while they do have a lot of pre orders they havent hit the level they are SUPPOSE to be getting, might be a site to check out guys.
post #420 of 1725
I would probaby not even try the nVidia then. A Samsung emitter is 120 and the glasses are then only 60. This is the only place I have found the emitter:
http://www.3dflightsim.com/product/product_02.htm
If you want extra glasses Ultimate3DHeaven has bulk purchases that bring the price down even more.
I already have 4 pair of the DLP Link glasses, but I may go IR.
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