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Canon HF M41, HF M40, HF M400

post #1 of 88
1/14/11 at 8:01pm
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VIXIA HF M41 / HF M40 / HF M400 Instruction Manual:

under Brochures & Manuals tab:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...uresAndManuals
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post #2 of 88
1/14/11 at 8:23pm
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post #3 of 88
1/14/11 at 8:27pm
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Page 43/.pdf
Relay Recording/NOTES:
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There will be a momentary stop in the scene at the point where the camcorder switches from one memory to another.

I wonder if the files at that point can be joined together as has been the case with AVCHD in joining files in Pixela due to the limitation? When I first heard about that feature, I was thinking the action would be continuous after joining them later.


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what?
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post #4 of 88
2/23/11 at 8:35am
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Here are a couple of reviews for the HF M41 (HF M40, HF M400 have same optics/different storage capability/no viewfinder)...

impress.co.jp
Translated from Japanese/some translations quirky. With downloadable samples. (iVis Canon line/Japan)*
http://translate.google.com/translat...19_421098.html

slashcam.com
(Legria Canon line/Germany)*
http://camcorder-test.slashcam.com/c...324952ea9.html


*Will essentially be same camcorder as Vixia HF M41/frame rate may be different.
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post #5 of 88
2/23/11 at 9:53am
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I downloaded the samples from the impress.co.jp site...

The image from the HF M41 is very sharp and clear. Like the HFM 30 camcorders, the default settings have the heavy saturation. Making the colors flat in-camera and coloring later in editor might be a better option.
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post #6 of 88
2/23/11 at 11:07am
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He posted a valid link to the M41's instruction manual. You simply click the "Brochures & Manuals" tab.
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post #7 of 88
2/23/11 at 11:09am
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VIXIA HF M41 / HF M40 / HF M400 Instruction Manual:

under Brochures & Manuals tab:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consum...uresAndManuals

I think these new Canons will be products to be reckoned with this year. One of the major differences between the M41 & the HF G10, is the lens. The HF G10 has a much wider FOV and the the M41 with the same 10X, has more reach.
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post #8 of 88
2/23/11 at 11:14am
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Here are a couple of reviews for the HF M41 (HF M40, HF M400 have same optics/different storage capability/no viewfinder)...

impress.co.jp
Translated from Japanese/some translations quirky. With downloadable samples. (iVis Canon line/Japan)*
http://translate.google.com/translat...19_421098.html

slashcam.com
(Legria Canon line/Germany)*
http://camcorder-test.slashcam.com/c...324952ea9.html


*Will essentially be same camcorder as Vixia HF M41/frame rate may be different.

Some very nice imagery here!
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post #9 of 88
2/23/11 at 4:24pm
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Some very nice imagery here!

yes...that girl appears to be the official model for the website's camcorder tests.
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post #10 of 88
2/23/11 at 5:38pm
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yes...that girl appears to be the official model for the website's camcorder tests.

haha, she looked uncomfortable to me during the m31 test, but really pleased during the m41...I think she has begun to enjoy the attention
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post #11 of 88
3/3/11 at 12:43pm
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I'm going to take a guess and say that the HF M41/40/400 camcorders (and HF G10) will be in stock by early next week.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-M41-Camc...9185008&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-M40-Camc...9184924&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-VIXIA-M4...9184930&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-G10-Camc...9184941&sr=8-1
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post #12 of 88
3/3/11 at 3:49pm
It actually shows the M41 in stock! But I think it's going to be awhile longer for the G10.
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post #13 of 88
3/3/11 at 4:12pm
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It actually shows the M41 in stock!

wow..that's weird. I posted this afternoon and it had yet to be in stock.
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post #14 of 88
3/4/11 at 10:52am
What's even more odd is that Amazon is now showing the M41 as 'not yet released'. So I wonder if yesterday's brief 'in stock' was not true.
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post #15 of 88
3/4/11 at 3:03pm
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What's even more odd is that Amazon is now showing the M41 as 'not yet released'. So I wonder if yesterday's brief 'in stock' was not true.
...and now it's back in stock.

Not sold by Amazon, it's a store on Amazon called "HD Camcorders & More".
Says only 1 left in stock.

I guess they are only getting a few at a time.
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post #16 of 88
3/4/11 at 9:50pm
According to Amazon.ca, the Canon HF M41 will be released on April 15.
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post #17 of 88
3/5/11 at 3:52am
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According to Amazon.ca, the Canon HF M41 will be released on April 15.

It's hard to know what to believe anymore, but I think it will be earlier than 4/15. I do wonder if Amazon really ever had this in stock.
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post #18 of 88
3/19/11 at 1:15am
Found some other sample footage in pretty low light

12mbps lower quality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2JQ...x=2&playnext=1

24mbps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6_w2..._order&list=UL
Raw MTS files are linked in the descriptions.

Low light appears to be VERY good. I needed a good cam with mic port. Might be selling my SD600 for this one.
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post #19 of 88
3/19/11 at 7:53am
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FWIW All of these models are already available on amazon.
Found some other sample footage in pretty low light

12mbps lower quality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2JQ...x=2&playnext=1

24mbps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6_w2..._order&list=UL
Raw MTS files are linked in the descriptions.

Low light appears to be VERY good. I needed a good cam with mic port. Might be selling my SD600 for this one.

We know for sure that this is where the new Canons will excel. I'd like to see more footage in good light to see how they stack up against the Panasonics.
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post #20 of 88
3/20/11 at 7:21pm
This series supposedly uses the same sensor as the xf100. If the M series looks anywhere near this good, I'll have to buy one.

Found this link in the 2011 Canon thread. Absolutely absurd low light capability.
http://vimeo.com/16963810

Now to find some daylight footage....
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post #21 of 88
3/20/11 at 7:41pm
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This series supposedly uses the same sensor as the xf100. If the M series looks anywhere near this good, I'll have to buy one.

Found this link in the 2011 Canon thread. Absolutely absurd low light capability.
http://vimeo.com/16963810

Now to find some daylight footage....

Yup, that's just crazy good low light, although some of the scenes weren't quite that low light. I watched this on an IPad and the detail for that kind of light was amazing. I'll watch it tomorrow on my regular setup. It's really frustrating these cams aren't out yet. I think they'll be winners inside and out.
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post #22 of 88
3/20/11 at 8:02pm
Do u really guys think and expect that the canon HF M41 have the same performance that the canon hf g10 ?
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post #23 of 88
3/20/11 at 8:08pm
I'm not sure if they're actually the same sensor. It's the same size/megapixel sensor, but the XF100 doesn't advertise hd cmos pro, and records at 50mbps.


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Do u really guys think and expect that the canon HF M41 have the same performance that the canon hf g10 ?

The youtube user i linked above also has video of the g10 in the same lighting conditions. Maybe it's just me, but the M41 looks better.

G10, 1080p-24mbps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuEMUKlREWE&hd=1
G10, 1080p-12mbps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kz45LoBz3k&hd=1
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post #24 of 88
3/20/11 at 9:00pm
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I'm not sure if they're actually the same sensor. It's the same size/megapixel sensor, but the XF100 doesn't advertise hd cmos pro, and records at 50mbps.

If they are not the same then Canon is really pushing the boundary between marketing and lying.

The XF100 says the sensor is:

Canon native 1920X1080 CMOS Image Sensor

The M400 says:

Incorporating a proven technology in Canon's professional level camcorders, our latest innovation, HD CMOS Pro is a 1/3 native 1920 x 1080 image sensor

The 50Mbs is just a codec I think. Plus the video they use to demonstrate the sensor is clearly shot with a pro cam.
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post #25 of 88
3/20/11 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by workinghard View Post

If they are not the same then Canon is really pushing the boundary between marketing and lying.

The XF100 says the sensor is:

Canon native 1920X1080 CMOS Image Sensor

The M400 says:

Incorporating a proven technology in Canon's professional level camcorders, our latest innovation, HD CMOS Pro is a 1/3 native 1920 x 1080 image sensor

The 50Mbs is just a codec I think. Plus the video they use to demonstrate the sensor is clearly shot with a pro cam.


Yes, but which Pro cam are they using?
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post #26 of 88
3/20/11 at 10:56pm
Couple Japanese home movies I found. IVIS = Canon Japan
Bright Daylight footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi08voXG5m4&hd=1

lots of interlaced lines visible in the snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E2WxhVoOB4&hd=1
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post #27 of 88
3/21/11 at 4:01am
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Do u really guys think and expect that the canon HF M41 have the same performance that the canon hf g10 ?

I think the G10 will be better than the M series and certainly has many more features. The XA has more features than the G10, but I don't care about XLR inputs for a "pleasure cam", so for me it's a waste of money.
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post #28 of 88
3/21/11 at 4:35am
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I think the G10 will be better than the M series and certainly has many more features. The XA has more features than the G10, but I don't care about XLR inputs for a "pleasure cam", so for me it's a waste of money.

I dont think anybody has questioned that have they? It also cost over twice as much as the M400 though.
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post #29 of 88
3/21/11 at 5:41am
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lots of interlaced lines visible in the snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E2WxhVoOB4&hd=1

I don't see the slightest trace of interlaced lines in that footage. In fact I can't recall ever seeing interlaced line structure in any 1080i footage. If you have an interlaced display, then you might see interlaced lines. But using a computer monitor or flat panel display, you shouldn't see this.

BTW, I'm not sure which Canon took those videos.
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post #30 of 88
3/21/11 at 5:44am
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I dont think anybody has questioned that have they? It also cost over twice as much as the M400 though.

Yeah, Marcolisi asked the question if we thought the M41 would have the same performance of the G10, so I was responding to that question. But yes, there is a big price difference.

One of the bigger differences in my mind between the M series and G is the lens. You get a much wider FOV with the G series. So if that's important to you, then it might be worthwhile.
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