The Lord Of The Rings Extended - Page 100

Unless I'm mistaken, he meant that PJ wouldn't suddenly green-tint just one film in the trilogy - hence this would be a mistake.

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The only question is WHEN will PJ make the inevitable statement that WB screwed up his movie by greenerizing it? Next week? Next month? After the Hobbit films are in the can? In the Hobbit blu ray box set? In some distant future tell all documentary in whatever format comes after blu ray?!?

I read johnsmith808's comment as just the opposite, that PJ would NOT be like Lucas. That PJ will eventually come out and say if the blu ray was botched or not.

WB should admit that there was a colouring problem, and admit what went wrong. This will then get us slobbering for a new release, and calm down the bad WB PR. Oh yeah, and just to be sure.. it's also too dark, and black crushed.

I have only watched disc one of FOTR. I did not have any freezing; but there were a couple of glitches where it stopped and then started back up. One was somewhere in the Prancing Pony scene, and one was where the mothlike thingie comes to Gandalf on top of Saruman's tower. haven't had tiome to try it on other players. I can't even remember having a glitch like this on a Blu-ray.

I had the same problem. I fixed it by clearing my persistent storage. You can find this feature in the Setup menu.

My experiences were like some firmware update was applied from the disc and the player needed to be restarted to work. Both first times froze the Oppo's and both second times worked perfectly.

Jeff

An earlier poster asked a great question - if there was a mistake in the mastering, when is the studio going to come out and say it?

Assuming enough people complain, it would make the most business sense to admit to the problem AFTER they complete their initial sales run. That way they are able to bring in the most money and use a portion towards a disc replacement program.

Problem is that no one knows how many copies they printed for their initial run, however. If they wait to sell all those first, we could be looking at a time frame of anywhere between 4-6 months.

And then once they issue the program, only a small percentage would actually bother with the replacement so that would be of the most business sense to them. To put this out, sell out their first printing, then quietly release a second printing that is corrected.

Just imagine how much it would cost them to RECALL all of the copies they shipped out. They're not about to do that so I"m sure that's what led to the vague announcement by the studio to try to quiet the concerns. Behind the scenes though, I'm sure heads are rolling over this and they would prefer this concern to die down quietly. If people are unhappy with this approach, are there any litigators on this forum who would know about possibly taking any steps for a class-action lawsuit? Perhaps that could get us corrected discs, or at the very least, get their attention.

Do you actually *know* something, or are you just ranting like everybody else?

Jeff

After seeing all of the evidence...

PJ saying "Less Green."
PJ saying "I want each colour individually worked on"
Black Crush
No white
Green Title
Part 2, and 3 using white
The cinema version looking OK

I come to the obvious conclusion that PJ wanted a full colour palette, with less green, and colourful landscapes. Afterall.. he said it.

What would be hilarious would be for Jackson to now say that he's watched the Blu-ray from beginning to end and that it exactly replicates the look he wanted. The next round of posts would start with, "Yeah, so what. I STILL don't believe him."

Agree.

That isn't hilarious, that is the most likely thing that will happen. This is a multi-million dollar operation. Most of us expect it to happen.

So in Return of The King, when back in the Shire, (haven't watched it yet) I hope the correct green(like in FOTR) has been placed - because it is of course just an imaginary adventure like Wizard of OZ. I wouldn't say I don't believe him, I'd say with the other 2 beautiful movies, he's completely wrong. I'd sign a petition to "ungreen" FOTR.

I'm loving your posts!!! Please forgive me for borrowing your image.

OK everyone, a little test....

Clicking on Image #1 below will open a new window with 42041's image. After you have it open in a new window study it for a bit. Are the white parts white? Does that "F" in the 4th vertical band look like it's white? Take time to let your eyes adjust. Are the white parts truly white?

Image #1


Clicking on Image #2 will open a new window with 42041's image as well. But for this one I've used Photoshop to read the color value of the "F" in the Fellowship title and used that color to place a horizontal band across the entire image. That band (immediately above the "F") is the exact same color as the F. I've also placed two pure white horizontal bands across the image.

Image #2


I swear I did not alter the image at all other than placing those three bands across it. Open them both and compare for yourself.

Is it any wonder that many people are seeing white where no white really exists?

Mark

Just as a slight aside with regards to the presence, or absence, of "pure white" on this release. Can anyone here claim to have seen pure white in the real, natural world?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist when you consider ambient lighting and the simple fact that pure white is the total absence of colour or shade. When you consider that this can't exist in the natural world, does it not make this entire debate kind of irrelevant?

Bottom line is that Fellowship looks incredibly detailed and film-like on this bluray set. Even with colour and brightness issues considered, can anyone really deny that this is the best it has looked at home and quite possibly theatrically?

I don't have LOTR EE on DVD, or Blu Ray. If somebody offered me a choice of either I would chose the DVD because of the colour problem. So this incredible detail is not as important as incredible colours.

65-70% of FOTR EE Blu-ray is the best it has ever looked on home video. The other 30-35%, not so much.

Forgive me for wanting it ALL to look the best it has ever looked on home video. They were | this | close.

Mark

Having now viewed both, there's no way in hell I'd take the DVD over the BD EE. Color issue or not, it's my choice.

But without having something pure white in sight while watching the film there's a very strong chance you wouldn't even notice the green shift.

There is actually more range of colour in the EE bluray than previous editions because many of the more heavy handed grading choices have actually been toned back to give the film a more natural appearance. Rivendell and Lothlorien are good examples of this. People now have more natural skin tones and various colours in costumes are now more noticeable. Also look at the scene with Saruman on top of Orthanc. Rather than a heavy blanket tint to the scene, Saruman now has colour in his face and robes.

So, in addition to a more detailed image you are also getting more colour, albeit with a green shift IF you sit with a pure white reference while watching the film, and as I said in my original post, I don't think you'll find pure white in the natural world anyway.

Oh, and the DVD had a red shift anyway.

I could see the white shift in Superman Returns, and have never watched it since. That was only a slight white shift, this is far worse.

Yup, this happens with my OPPO all the time, with various BD's. Clear the persistent storage and power it down. Turn it back on and you should be good.

Well I suppose the good news for those that are not happy with this set is that there is not a chance in hell that this is the last time they'll release these films on BD. There is bound to be some kind of uber-special, ultimate edition to tie in with The Hobbit and it's eventual bluray release (I fully expect The Hobbit will receive both the theatrical and extended edition treatment too).

I personally am very happy with this release but fully respect that there are people, particularly on forums such as this with a much more sensitive eye than I have. For those people, there's always next time or the time after that! lol

What does it matter if it is or isn't what he wanted? Suppose there was red sky and pinstriped snow etc... if it was said that is what he intended would that make it ok?

For me, watching FOTR EE bluray at a friends house was like watching it with sunglasses on. Yes the eyes adjusts after awhile for some but it is still not like what it should be IMO. It is inconsistent with the DVD EE and also with the 2 other EE bluray releases.

Now having watched both discs of FOTR those thinking this is a mistake are in denial. The different color tones of the movie are VERY obviously based on location and mood of the scene. It is very obviously on purpose and given the statements we have read so far it just further confirms it. You can either like it or hate it but it is what it is and it's not like we can really do anything about it.

But it is also a different film with a different tone. If we look at the three films, they all have a slightly different look.

Two Towers, to me seems to favour a colder blue tone. Look at the sequences with Merry and Pippin with the Uruk's at night and in Fangorn forest as well as Helms Deep.

Return of the King seems to have much harsher light than the other two, particularly when the action is at Minas Tirith.

I actually consider Fellowship to now look more like an Alan Lee painting than it has done before. It's more subdued than TTT or ROTK as befits the story.

Again, everything I'm saying is based purely on my perception. I've not tested or measured anything. Just my honest opinion.

It may not make it OK but it is just something we have to live with. I myself really like the new color timing and if you don't complaining here isn't likely to help.

News flash it hasn't! Minas Tirith, the Shire and Isengard look very different in FOTR than in ROTK.

JUST as I thought!

In my opinion, what any video transfer should do, is to present the intended look as accurately as possible.
It looks like you'd rather have your personally preferred look, accurate or not. Some AV science....