The Lord Of The Rings Extended - Page 14

Me too!! Ive never watched the extra crap that comes with these movies nor any other movies. Im not interested in how they make it I think it spoils it.

I agree.
I wasn't too thrilled with video quality of ANY of the 3 Theatrical BDs....


Great, just great....
So now that will be 3 sets of BDs....

Me too

Actually the Blurays do look better than the broadcast. From Bluray.com:

"Many sequences -- primarily those in the Mines of Moria, the fellowship's visit to Lothlorien, and the landing (and subsequent battle) at Parth Galen -- still manage to make a reasonably strong impact, and the whole of the presentation handily bests its DVD counterparts and HD broadcast."

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Lo...-Blu-ray/5174/

It is simply a matter of time before they release the EE without the extras.

You really are missing out on some fascinating quality extras that only deepens the admiration and enjoyment of these films, Franin. These are not fluff EPKs pieces .

I do understand the sentiment that it can diminish the experience by learning too much about the reality behind the magic.

Best Regards
KvE

It did. Just saw the trilogy projected recently.

By the way, it was also said that the theatrical Blurays were "remastered" in a pre-release interview. If FOTR looks better in this release than in the previous, I'll eat my shoe.

Unless WB is outright lying about going back to the 2K digital scans (they provided no technical specifics about the theatricals whatsoever), and unless they also completely waste 100GB of space, get that shoe ready

KvE I'm sure they have quality extras but I just can't bring myself to watch them. I dont want to lose the magic.

Okay, there seems to be some confusion, lemme clear a few things up:

Both the theatrical and extended cuts of FOTR were incomplete DIs. TTT and ROTK, on the other hand, were complete DI jobs for - presumably - both the TE and the EE. In 2003, while finishing work on ROTK, Andrew Lesnie went back and finished the DI of FOTR. This is why WHV is making it so explicitly clear in their press release that FOTR EE will be a brand new transfer from the 2K files, so that people don't think they're just reusing the old hd master used for the EE dvd back in 2002.

As for the theatrical blu-rays from last year, I want to make it clear that the PQ issues had absolutely nothing to do with the DI process. Fellowship actually looks worse than its hd broadcast in certain places due to horrendous applications of DNR (sorry WebEffect, but blu-ray.com didn't do their homework). Don't believe me? Feast your eyes on the first post in this thread and then follow the link to xylon's:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1237167

LMAO, bluray.com reviews.Priceless, the same clowns who praised the spectacular release of The Truman Show.

Who needs concrete photographic evidence when you have shamlessly biased 'reviewers' ?

Just to reiterate: I don't want to buy the special features DVDs again. I already own them as part of the DVD EEs. Either give us the special features in HD on Blu-rays, or leave them out. I'm not paying for the same 9 DVDs again just to get my hands on the 6 Blu-rays I care about. Anyways, with the current story going that Peter Jackson will create new, even-more-extended versions of the films to coincide with The Hobbit's release, I can wait. I've bought the DVDs twice already, I am absolutely committed to buying them only once on Blu-ray and I'll hold to that commitment.

+1

Love the movies. Watched all of the extras and still own them on DVD. No desire to buy them again. Just the blu-rays m'am.

Joel

The problem is, they were shot in SD in the first place.
However, they could have easily packed them all, including the Boates documentary, on one BluRay per film, and also make use of HD for stuff like image galleries. However, they chose not to.

Uniquely--and I really mean this--they do improve the magic. These are the only extras ever made that are truly worth watching.

^^^

I watched all extras every time I got one of the EE's back in the day. Awesome.

Agreed, but as we all know WB uses the same business model over and over. It didn't take to long for the TE's to come out individually, but the set came first as it will for the EE's. Once the set stops selling we'll get the EE individual releases, at long last.

While I don't want another big box filled with dvd's I already have, if they suprise us with the picture quality I'll be tempted, very tempted.

I absolutely agree. I used to hit "Play All" and it ran like an 8 hour making-of movie.....back when I had time I love the play all feature and wish more special features had it.

But I always came away with more respect for the films because you see just how much thought and effort was put into it....way more than you can actually see on screen. Plus it really put me in the mood to watch the movie!

Here's my question: eventually these will probably be done for Blu-ray 3D; does this mean some ultra restored version will be released in 2D?

yay! half resolution with muted colors!

If the channels are 6.1 discrete, I don't know how we could tell for sure that the content was/was not discrete. With DTS there were ES Matrix and ES Discrete, but with DTS-HD Master Audio I don't thing that distinction is made, is it? How do you know Harry was matrixed and not discrete?

I recall that the theatrical version on the HP ultimate had 6.1 discrete, but the extended version had 5.1.

I remember thinking this is the opposite of the LOTR extendeds, with the theatrical getting the better sound.

I could be mistaken, but I am sure the two versions in the ultimate edition had different audio.

DTS don't publicly make that matrix/discrete 6.1 distinction with HD, correct. But the DTS-HD encoder makes full mention of both matrix and discrete 6.1 configurations.

It's damned sneaky if you ask me, although if challenged they'd probably say "We don't want to confuse the consumer". I'd then say "Fair enough - but you sure didn't care about that with DVD, so why bother doing it for an 'enthusiast' format like Blu-ray? And how about implementing HD 6.1 matrix that can actually be RECOGNISED by my new £400/$650 amp?". Idiots.

Feel better?

From the Digital Bits, today:


Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. As has been noted several times in the LOTR discussion, the amount of visual effects and the digital color grading would make remastering the movies in 4K a very expensive and involved process.

(and chances are, the 2K masters look "good enough" when not subjected to filtering and crummy encoding)

Nope, because my amp still won't decode DTS HD 6.1 matrix properly.

As for the 4K thing, it's not a new development. Any movie finished at 2K will need a fair bit of work to get it up to 4K, let alone something which has been digitally manipulated as extensively as LOTR. Never gonna happen IMO.

Well, I sold my EE DVDs early on ebay for a nice price before the TE Blu-rays were announced. And I passed on buying the TE Blu-rays, so this is where I jump in and part with my hard-earned dosh.

Jeff

yeah I don't see them ever doing that. Same with mid 90s TV shows like Buffy, where the effects were mastered in SD - shot on film, but would have to be redone completely to get HD out of it after the effects are factored in.

This.

Part of me is ready to buy the EE Blu-ray no matter what, just because we may never see improvement over the TE, but the other part just says to hold out until the "ultimate set" comes out with the Hobbit. Hmm...

I sold the EE DVD's before the TE BD's were available, and I passed on those TE BD's ... I don't think I can deny myself any more. I owned Fifth Element four times and LOTR only once so far; I am proud of myself. And buying the EE BD's are my reward!

Jeff