The Lord Of The Rings Extended - Page 158

I checked out FOTR the other day and the green tint is real obvious. I didn't think i would notice it that much. I guess after watching my DVD copies alot the green is easy to make out. I'll be watching it in full this week. I hope it doesn't bother me too much.

People who are saying its not noticeable, either you guys haven't seen LOTR that many times, or your just lying to yourselves.

It's definitely not this. Here's some possible reasons why I don't see a green tint:

1- My disc is different, with the issue fixed.
2- My display isn't calibrated correctly.
3- And the third possibility is... I don't remember. Oops. Seriously I had a third one.


There's certainly no dishonesty going on, but I think I see your point. The hope to have a clean disc combined with optimism could lead people to unconsciously ignore a green tint. However, I think this point works both ways. Convinced that the disc has a green tint, people could be seeing something that's not really there. Sort of works like a placebo, if you believe it to be too green then you will see it as too green.

Are there some good online color-true screencaps that SHOW and COMPARE for FOTR:

1. the green-tint scenes in the extended BD versus the color in the non-green-tint scenes of the extended BD
- and -
2. the green-tint scenes in the extended BD versus the same scenes in the theatrical BD and the extended DVD?

I believe the issue with many people not seeing the green tint, is more than likely that they haven't watched the DVD that often. I've watched it, or more accurately, I've watched certain scenes countless times. The tint was more obvious than almost any other pq discrepancy I've seen. The black crush was equally noticeable. To the point that I prefer watching the DVD.

After reading more posts from back in July, there's a third explanation that I think makes a lot of sense: The disc is in fact tinted green, but the differences in what people report could be due to how different people perceive color. Some people see color in absolute values, so they see the green. Other people, their brains interpret colors in relative to the color of everything else in a scene, so the green gets filtered out. Both of these approaches to perceiving color have their advantages evolutionarily speaking, so I think it makes sense that there would be these differences spread out in the population.

Under this scenario basically both parties are right. Those who say they don't see the green are correct, they in fact don't see the green because their brain filters it out. Those who say the disc is green are also right, because it is in fact green.

The color timing alone of your display will shoe the green tint. Properly set at 6500K the green tint will be extemely obvious. If your display has a cool setting say 8500K you will barely notice the green.

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I know this sounds ridiculous, but it's a great way to test just how much your brain and color settings work to deceive you. Tape a sheet of white printer paper to the bezel of your display or hold it up against the projected image. Let your eyes focus on the white paper, then look at FOTR. Do the same for TTT and ROTK. It's not a perfect test, obviously, but it makes the green in FOTR stand out big time - even in scenes you think don't have any tint.

Well, I've spent an hour with The Two Towers, and it looks just as green as The Fellowship of the Ring. I suspect either:

1. My FOTR disc was corrected and I've been seeing the correct tint the whole time.
2. My TT disc was tinted green to even the discs out.
3. My display was improperly calibrated but magically readjusted when I put in the Two Towers disc.
4. The internet rumors made me too sensitive to green.
5. "I have the eyes of a hawk and the ears of a fox!" BUT...
6. Elven rope.
7. THE RING

According to this, 1.4b came out in October 2011:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_1.4

For some reason, King Theoden's beard changes from blonde to green constantly through TTT and ROTK. That's about the only green tint I've noticed from those two.

Sounds great, but what about black crush? Your eyes don't generate more detail out of black due to relative perception.

Exactly. Many more people have non calibrated, or improperly calibrated displays than would like to admit. That's probably a bigger factor than almost anything else. I've been frequenting the Sharp Elite LCD thread, and it boggles my mind how many people are sharing settings, as opposed to actually having their display calibrated. The green tint and black crush is blatantly obvious on even a semi calibrated display. I don't keep my ex wife's set in as tip top shape, calibration wise, as I do mine, but the green tint and the black crush scream at me even on her set. She easily notices it too.

I understand the concept of placebo, and overly looking for something. But i don't think that applies here. At least for me. Some scenes are more green than others. The beginning is obviously green where we first see frodo and gandalf. Its even more apparent when gandalf is knocking on bilbo baggins door. The screen is washed in green. Putting back in my DVD everything is neutral. It seems theres 2 kinds of greens from what i've seen. A natural green that seems to be applied with other colors. Sort of like it blends in but its there. And a tinted green where it looks like the screen is covered with it. It really depends on the scene.

My set isn't calibrated either but the kuros pure mode gets close to accurate.


Yeah the crush also. I don't understand why thats there? To set a darker mood?

Going back to my DVD everything is bright. I can see stuff in the background. Theres one scene where someone is standing in front of a door. On the bluray you can hardly tell theres a door there.

Overall though its a good looking transfer with detail and a filmlike image. I don't think the green will bother me too much when i get to watch it in full.

Why on Earth would I want to do that?
I certainly don't want to force myself to see something that doesn't bother me in the first place.

LOL, humor isn't allowed in this thread.

IMO that was for the people who say that the green isn't there. If you simply don't perceive the green and don't care to, then most of this thread does not apply.

There was a BBC Horizon documentary last year called "Do You See What I See". I strongly recommend it as it is extremely relevant to this thread. It has been awhile since I saw it, but it covers how people perceive color, and how the brain adjusts (i.e., if you are wearing green sunglasses your brain adjusts, filtering out some of the extra green).

Here's a brief overview:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b013c8tb

If you go to youtube and search on BBC Horizon "Do You See What I See" one of the links will list all 4 parts if interested in viewing that way.

Good question.

There was a couple JPGs that someone made posted, one with a collage of the Blu-ray images with "white" objects from the movie. It looks OK when viewed alone in a darkened room. The other one has the exact same images with true white bands pasted across the picture. In this case you see just how tinted the movie is!

This is better than holding a "white" piece of paper next to your screen which would be bathed in green light from your TV (unless you shone a D65 light on the paper).

I always thought at the end of TROTK when Aragorn gets Crowned/Married to Arwen
Right when he kiss her- Gandalf should say "It's good to be the king."
Everyone should cheer and the movie should end.

Well, you kind of missed my point. If anyone including myself doesn't "perceive" the green tint or care to then why suggest they try to?

So, this thread only applies to people who perceive the green tint?
Thanks for the clarification.

I'll quote the first part, LOL

"Roses are red, violets are blue but according to the latest understanding these colours are really an illusion. One that you create yourself.

Horizon reveals a surprising truth about how we all see the world. You may think a rose is red, the sky is blue and the grass is green, but it now seems that the colours you see may not always be the same as the colours I see.
Your age, sex and even mood can affect how you experience colours."


So maybe the tint is there and maybe it's not? I guess that depends on who's looking. Neither side is right or wrong then.

By the way, I didn't read the whole article so I may have missed your point. I'm not really serious about the green tint thing one way or the other anyway. Just though that was funny..

Maybe this is what you're referring to. It's a fascinating comparison. The second image makes the greenish whites clear as day, and yet when I go back to the first image, I can't help but see that "F" turn back to white.

I thought the following had already been established objectively and scientifically:
1. FOTR EE has no pure white data within the video stream.
2. What was white in the theatrical is now tinted green in the EE.

Therefore, the ability to detect the green must literally be in the eye of the beholder as well as the viewing equipment. Whether you can see it or not has little bearing on discussing whether or not it is present, right?

*sigh*
Proceed.

^^ +1 Agreed
Mods please lock...

IBTL!

W00t

Yes, thanks for finding it.

For the proper effect don't just look at them on your computer. Load them into your BDP, turn the lights off, and just look at them on your TV.

I believe this should conclude the discussion (again)!

No, this thread is for anyone who wants to participate, but examples like the paper and other comparisons posted are in response to people who are posting false information.

False information includes:

• "There isn't a green tint, its a conspiracy!"
• "My copy doesn't have the green tint"
• "I don't see the green tint, therefore neither will you"
• "My tv/blu-ray player/settings don't show the green tint, therefore your gear must be defective"
• etc.

That's a major reason why tests are suggested. Because people are not going to let false posts go un-refuted, and people also aren't going to just say "no, you're wrong," they are giving examples and proof.

It's perfectly fine for someone to say "I don't see the green tint" or "It doesn't bother me," but many people are saying a lot more and making bad claims.

Once again, I'll quote my previous post. One of the images can be used for people to determine if they even see the tint in real life or how much it bothers them. The other image proves the tint is there.

If you want to know, then view them. If you don't want to know, then don't - no one is forcing you to. People can make their own decisions about whether or not they want to stay in "ignorance is bliss" mode or if they want to know more.

Hey... the horse had it coming.

Okay, fair enough. I see your point now.

As for charges of beating a dead horse, I take responsibility for restarting said beating on this thread of this poor horse. However, it was only by reading this thread that I ever became aware of the green tint issue, and I only posted because I thought my copy might reasonably have the issue fixed. I'll state it again, different country (Japan), different release date. Specifically 6 months after it was released in the US, long after the green tint problem blew up on the internet and more than enough time for it to be corrected if it had been flogged enough. I don't think it was unreasonable to think that my disc might not, or might, have the green tint. Regardless, if I had never read these forums then I never would have been aware of the issue and never would have posted about it. The internet grew this monster, and the only reason I flogged the poor horse is because the internet flogged it a thousand times before and practically invited me to do it once more!

The snow and sky in that cartoon look green to me.