AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Software › The Lord Of The Rings Extended
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Lord Of The Rings Extended - Page 162

post #4831 of 5278
3/7/12 at 3:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

So, who has has certified it?

If some say that can't see it I would hardly call that a "proven certifiable fact"

Photoshop lies! Photoshop has an AGENDA! Keep fighting the man, RY35AN!
Reply
Reply

Gear mentioned in this thread:

post #4832 of 5278
3/7/12 at 3:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

So, who has has certified it?

If some say that can't see it I would hardly call that a "proven certifiable fact"

Look through this thread - the evidence is clearly posted. Look, I'm a firm believer that the reaction to this issue is overblown. That said, I can't deny the problem exists. People have taken color readings, screen captures, etc. I have yet to see 1 person who claims that the EE and Theatrical editions are the same post screen caps to prove the point. The same is not true for the other camp.
Reply
Reply
post #4833 of 5278
3/7/12 at 4:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

How is it a "certifiable proven fact" if like you have acknowledged above Peter Jackson or the Studio hasn't commented?

LOL, this cracks me up every time I see it. Why someone feels the need to end a discussion (on a discussion forum for Christ's sake) simply because he or she finds it redundant or uninteresting is hilarious.

If you aren't interested in the subject don't click on the link (only a suggestion)

FOTR EE Blu-ray is crushed and green. One need not be able to see it subjectively to prove it's there objectively. Folks like you who deny the technical facts about the disc do nothing to help the situation. My suggestion to lock the thread was only in the interest of forum and its members. The nonstop bickering and misinformation does little to separate AVS from the countless other forums on the internet.
Reply
Reply
post #4834 of 5278
3/8/12 at 7:19am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluescale View Post

Look through this thread - the evidence is clearly posted. Look, I'm a firm believer that the reaction to this issue is overblown. That said, I can't deny the problem exists. People have taken color readings, screen captures, etc. I have yet to see 1 person who claims that the EE and Theatrical editions are the same post screen caps to prove the point. The same is not true for the other camp.

Look, I'm not saying there isn't a slight green tint.

BUT, it's not to the degree some people are making it out to be.
I've watched my copy twice and have yet to be "pulled out of the movie", "shocked" "startled" or whatever other over exaggerated term people have used.

Some of the screen shots posted here look fairly similar to my copy and others are WAY off. I am not the only one who feels that this is the case either, plenty of people report not seeing it or are not bothered by it.

The real reason I posted a remark at all is because of the over reaction -

"I was at a friend's house and couldn't look at it anymore" etc..this leads people to believe that it's completely ruined and there's no reason to buy it, rent it and enjoy it.

This isn't true..it looks fantastic. 90% of people who watch it will not notice anything at all. UNTIL they come on here and read these over exaggerated remarks "it's a proven certifiable fact" etc.. and then they will be looking for something wrong because if they can't see it then there must be something wrong with them.
Reply
Reply
post #4835 of 5278
3/8/12 at 7:20am
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

FOTR EE Blu-ray is crushed and green. One need not be able to see it subjectively to prove it's there objectively. Folks like you who deny the technical facts about the disc do nothing to help the situation. My suggestion to lock the thread was only in the interest of forum and its members. The nonstop bickering and misinformation does little to separate AVS from the countless other forums on the internet.

No, it's folks like you who keep beating the same drum that keep this thread going.

What situation am I supposed to be helping?

What really bothers you is that not everyone agrees with you.
Reply
Reply
post #4836 of 5278
3/8/12 at 7:42am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

What really bothers you is that not everyone agrees with you.

LOL Your agreement is not needed.
Reply
Reply
post #4837 of 5278
3/8/12 at 8:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

LOL Your agreement is not needed.

LOL, I know, it hasn't been offered.
Reply
Reply
post #4838 of 5278
3/8/12 at 8:36am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

Look, I'm not saying there isn't a slight green tint.

BUT, it's not to the degree some people are making it out to be.
I've watched my copy twice and have yet to be "pulled out of the movie", "shocked" "startled" or whatever other over exaggerated term people have used.

Some of the screen shots posted here look fairly similar to my copy and others are WAY off. I am not the only one who feels that this is the case either, plenty of people report not seeing it or are not bothered by it.

The real reason I posted a remark at all is because of the over reaction -

"I was at a friend's house and couldn't look at it anymore" etc..this leads people to believe that it's completely ruined and there's no reason to buy it, rent it and enjoy it.

This isn't true..it looks fantastic. 90% of people who watch it will not notice anything at all. UNTIL they come on here and read these over exaggerated remarks "it's a proven certifiable fact" etc.. and then they will be looking for something wrong because if they can't see it then there must be something wrong with them.

As you pointed out, 10% of us notice it and are at least annoyed. That's a lot of people. I say keep the topic going. Otherwise it dies completely on the web. We're civilized enough to do this without insulting each other.

And yes, it is certifiably proven.
Reply
Reply
post #4839 of 5278
3/8/12 at 8:47am
I notice the green (and darkness), quite easily, BUT, it's not THAT big a deal TO ME because a few clicks on the remote does a decent job of massaging both issues away (enough).
Reply
Reply
post #4840 of 5278
3/8/12 at 8:58am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

Look, I'm not saying there isn't a slight green tint.

That's kind of exactly what you said.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

The following is a certifiable and proven fact:

Fellowship of the Ring is mostly consistent across the Theatrical DVD, Extended DVD, and Theatrical Blu-ray. The Extended Blu-ray has black crush and green tint - but is much sharper than the Theatrical Blu-ray thanks to the lack of DNR.

How is it a "certifiable proven fact" if like you have acknowledged above Peter Jackson or the Studio hasn't commented?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

So, who has has certified it?

If some say that can't see it I would hardly call that a "proven certifiable fact"
Reply
Reply
post #4841 of 5278
3/8/12 at 10:05am
Quote:
Originally Posted by CatBus View Post

That's kind of exactly what you said.

Oh brother, whatever. Get back to work, LOL
Reply
Reply
post #4842 of 5278
3/8/12 at 1:24pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

Look, I'm not saying there isn't a slight green tint.

BUT, it's not to the degree some people are making it out to be.
I've watched my copy twice and have yet to be "pulled out of the movie", "shocked" "startled" or whatever other over exaggerated term people have used.

Some of the screen shots posted here look fairly similar to my copy and others are WAY off. I am not the only one who feels that this is the case either, plenty of people report not seeing it or are not bothered by it.

The real reason I posted a remark at all is because of the over reaction -

"I was at a friend's house and couldn't look at it anymore" etc..this leads people to believe that it's completely ruined and there's no reason to buy it, rent it and enjoy it.

This isn't true..it looks fantastic. 90% of people who watch it will not notice anything at all. UNTIL they come on here and read these over exaggerated remarks "it's a proven certifiable fact" etc.. and then they will be looking for something wrong because if they can't see it then there must be something wrong with them.



i'd love to rent it, but, for whatever reason, it's not available to rent.
not going to throw $75 at a defective product, so renting is the only option
Reply
Reply
post #4843 of 5278
3/8/12 at 3:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

i'd love to rent it, but, for whatever reason, it's not available to rent.
not going to throw $75 at a defective product, so renting is the only option

You're right, I forgot it's not for rent. You did say renting was the only option in your last sentence though? Typo probably?

Those who consider it defective shouldn't buy it.

Although when I put mine in my player it played fine so I wouldn't consider it defective..
Reply
Reply
post #4844 of 5278
3/8/12 at 4:09pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

You're right, I forgot it's not for rent. You did say renting was the only option in your last sentence though? Typo probably?

Those who consider it defective shouldn't buy it.

Although when I put mine in my player it played fine so I wouldn't consider it defective..

renting would be the only option for me to see the br ee unless i can find someone that bought it and will lend it to me like....................

you?
Reply
Reply
post #4845 of 5278
3/8/12 at 10:39pm
Sure, if you were in the area I wouldn't mind lending it out.
Reply
Reply
post #4846 of 5278
3/9/12 at 8:29am
I think he's just trolling on the basis that some people are saying it is literally "proven defective". We know that it is "proven green and crushed" as that is quantifiable fact. However, the green and crush is not proven or disproven to be intent by Jackson, so it is not "proven defective".

Again, this has all be brought up and covered repeatedly over the life of the thread... even the above paragraph and this one explaining it have been repeated. LOL
Reply
Reply
post #4847 of 5278
3/9/12 at 1:46pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

I think he's just trolling on the basis that some people are saying it is literally "proven defective". We know that it is "proven green and crushed" as that is quantifiable fact. However, the green and crush is not proven or disproven to be intent by Jackson, so it is not "proven defective".

Again, this has all be brought up and covered repeatedly over the life of the thread... even the above paragraph and this one explaining it have been repeated. LOL

wow, you sound like a lawyer
Reply
Reply
post #4848 of 5278
3/9/12 at 2:30pm
"The green tint is slight"
Opinion.

"The issue is not as severe as some people are making it out to be"
Opinion.

"90% of those who watch it won't notice"
Speculation (informed or not).

"Peter Jackson personally approved the final look you see"
Not a fact, not known at this time.

"The hue is xxx degrees off on every scene that doesn't appear otherwise regraded on the EE BR compared to all other available editions"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

"The saturation of pure white, which is almost 0 on all other editions other than the EE BR, is instead xxx"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

"The brightness (IRE) of pure white is 93 IRE on the EE BR instead of 100 IRE like it is on all other available editions"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

"The IRE of dark areas are xxx IRE less on the EE BR than on all other editions"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

Everyone is entitled to post their opinions, regardless of which side they are on, and regardless of someone else's opinion that their opinion is misleading. It does not change facts. The facts are not certified, but they are certifiable (ie, measurable).
Reply
Reply
post #4849 of 5278
3/9/12 at 3:24pm
Reply
Reply
post #4850 of 5278
3/9/12 at 5:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

Those who consider it defective shouldn't buy it.

I didn't, and I don't plan to until this issue is addressed.
Reply
Reply
post #4851 of 5278
3/9/12 at 6:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

I didn't, and I don't plan to until this issue is addressed.

Despite the issues with this release, you're missing out on an overall great box set.

I wish this set was available for rent, so people could easily make up their mind whether the issue is a show stopper or not. I waited a long time to purchase the set because I was convinced that it would look atrocious. Turns out that, while noticeable, it's pretty easy to live with.
Reply
Reply
post #4852 of 5278
3/9/12 at 6:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

"The green tint is slight"
Opinion.

"The issue is not as severe as some people are making it out to be"
Opinion.

"90% of those who watch it won't notice"
Speculation (informed or not).

"Peter Jackson personally approved the final look you see"
Not a fact, not known at this time.

"The hue is xxx degrees off on every scene that doesn't appear otherwise regraded on the EE BR compared to all other available editions"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

"The saturation of pure white, which is almost 0 on all other editions other than the EE BR, is instead xxx"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

"The brightness (IRE) of pure white is 93 IRE on the EE BR instead of 100 IRE like it is on all other available editions"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

"The IRE of dark areas are xxx IRE less on the EE BR than on all other editions"
Fact, and measured from the raw files by multiple people and multiple copies.

Everyone is entitled to post their opinions, regardless of which side they are on, and regardless of someone else's opinion that their opinion is misleading. It does not change facts. The facts are not certified, but they are certifiable (ie, measurable).

I read this in Dwight Schrute's voice. Fact.
Reply
Reply
post #4853 of 5278
3/10/12 at 2:55pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

Some of the screen shots posted here look fairly similar to my copy and others are WAY off. I am not the only one who feels that this is the case either, plenty of people report not seeing it or are not bothered by it.

Who here has posted a shot that's way off? The screen caps posted here are direct frame grabs from the Fellowship disc.

That's what is actually on the disc, no if's and's or but's. How it looks on your set depends on your specific set and your specific pair of eyes, but you cannot deny that is exactly how it is on the disc itself.
Reply
Reply
post #4854 of 5278
3/10/12 at 3:38pm
Could someone please post some comparison shots from the night scenes in Lothlorien? The only place I've found shots from that part of the extended bd is in the blu-ray hd movie screenshots thread and the person who took them had their black levels set incorrectly.

I'd really like to see a theatrical bd to extended bd comparison from these scenes because - while the shire and rivendell stuff looks dimmer - some stuff looks hands down better on the extended. Daytime shots of Aragorn looking at Weathertop and of Arwen at the Ford of Bruinen actually look less dim on the extended. But then there's Sam and Frodo by the scarecrow. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. It makes me doubt these theories of a "blanket tint" having been applied to the whole thing.

Anyway, consider this a request for a screenshot comparison of the Lothlorien scenes. If someone is willing to do it but doesn't have the theatrical blu-ray (I don't have either blu-ray), you can use eric.exe's screenshots here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1237167
Reply
Reply
post #4855 of 5278
3/11/12 at 9:05am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Who here has posted a shot that's way off? The screen caps posted here are direct frame grabs from the Fellowship disc.

That's what is actually on the disc, no if's and's or but's. How it looks on your set depends on your specific set and your specific pair of eyes, but you cannot deny that is exactly how it is on the disc itself.

If it doesn't look like that to my eyes or on my set then how can I say that's exactly how it looks?

I'm going to let this go. The ones who see the green see the green. The ones who see nothing wrong or maybe a slight green tint see what they see. That's all there is to it.
Reply
Reply
post #4856 of 5278
3/12/12 at 9:10am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

If it doesn't look like that to my eyes or on my set then how can I say that's exactly how it looks?

I'm going to let this go. The ones who see the green see the green. The ones who see nothing wrong or maybe a slight green tint see what they see. That's all there is to it.

Those of us who are impacted want this to stay alive. I have to believe that occasionally someone from WB or even Jackson himself does a survey of discussions about their products to see what people are saying. If enough disgruntled people voice their opinions here, in Amazon, and on other forums, maybe someone important will stumble on this issue and at least give it two seconds of thought...assuming they haven't already.

If not (I know you will snark the above assertion), then I still need somewhere to voice my annoyance and let other users know what to expect. If there are 9 EE BR cheerleaders to every one of me...so be it. Capitalism at it's best. In fact, if you wish to keep cheering...go right ahead. Don't expect much agreement from the majority of us in here though.
Reply
Reply
post #4857 of 5278
3/12/12 at 12:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RY35AN View Post

how can I say that's exactly how it looks?

That's not what he said, read it again:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

That's what is actually on the disc, no if's and's or but's. How it looks on your set depends on your specific set and your specific pair of eyes, but you cannot deny that is exactly how it is on the disc itself.

How it looks is variable, and some people are more sensitive than others. How it is on the disc is what's causing all this commotion in the first place, because it is really distracting to some people.
Reply
Reply
post #4858 of 5278
3/12/12 at 1:35pm
And so ends the latest skirmish over whether your eyeballs can have any influence over the data on the disc. Stay tuned for the next installment in about two pages when we have yet another person who thinks that because they can't see the green, it means the existence of the green is disputable.
Reply
Reply
post #4859 of 5278
3/12/12 at 1:58pm
Thread Starter 
...And colorblind members are immediately banned from this thread.



Reply
Reply
post #4860 of 5278
3/12/12 at 4:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by CatBus View Post

Stay tuned for the next installment in about two pages when we have yet another person who thinks that because they can't see the green, it means the existence of the green is disputable.

Substitute "importance" for "existence", and it makes sense.
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Blu-ray Software

Gear mentioned in this thread:

AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Software › The Lord Of The Rings Extended