The Lord Of The Rings Extended - Page 166

On a calibrated display, yes. But Average Joe with an uncalibrated set might not notice them.

Back near release date, we analyzed the infamous mines of moria screenshots compared to the DVD and Theatrical BR. The blacks are not 'crushed' in the common usage meaning clipped, but rather shadow detail has been dimmed along with the rest of the image. The entire image has been dimmed (aka the sunglasses comments). It's just that dimming shadow detail has a much more profound effect down there where the (properly calibrated) gamma curve is flatter. Increasing the gain on the screenshots (or TV) showed that the same amount of shadow detail is visible and blacks are the same brightness as the other versions.

So its definitely possible that someone who had an improper black level calibration on their TV (like someone choosing the 'expanded' HDMI level in their Blu-ray player thinking it must be better), would not notice the lack of shadow detail, and would come on here reporting "Hey, I just got my copy and nothing's wrong with it." Or, you could also have the guy who thinks his set is 'calibrated' with a simple DVD, but doesn't realize the low-end gamma on his TV might be way off, and there's simply no way to get gamma correct with the available calibration discs.

I agree, as I did this as well. If your display has the right controls (you need individual Red, Green, and Blue gain adjustments), then the only artifact after adjustment is a slightly lower color bit depth (IMO not even noticeable).

Agree with you there: The second revisions appear inevitable, I'll buy the flawed Blu Ray set, and rather than adjust my set I'll attempt to rip, adjust, and re-encode the FOTR video since presumably someone will have perfected a process by then. Yes I'll lose quality, but the principle of adjusting your set to watch one movie is just a hard one to get over.

Yeah, I calibrate my own set and I'm very familiar with the controls and have written down all the settings, so it's not a big deal for me. But I can see how someone who paid for a pro calibration wouldn't want to touch anything.

The quality lost re-encoding I would still consider better than it is now.

Luckily, my Panasonic projector has 15 different programmable "user settings" where I can save my re-grading. I wish I could say that FELLOWSHIP was the only title I tweak, but in truth I have almost all 15 of those settings saved for various different titles. However, I can safely say that FELLOWSHIP was the MOST tweaking I've had to do for any one title... with the exception of the non-anamorphic dvd versions of the original unaltered STAR WARS trilogy.

So you think the green tint is awful? Here we go >>>




Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1452391.html

Please take the posts concerning the Jackson's decisions concerning the Hobbit to this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1134770

Let's keep this thread focused on the tech. aspects of the Blu Ray release of LOTR's Ext. Ed.

Thanks
Ron

Now that the price dropped again I ordered this... Should be here Thursday - I'm pretty excited to see it!

Picked this up on Black Friday deals week, great deal for $40. The year before I picked up the original trilogy for $8 each movie on the same deals week.

I did the same thing. It was a no brainer at that price.

The entire set was $7.99 on black friday 2010.

what are my DVD EE boxsets worth? They are in great shape. I heard there was a buy-back from Amazon, but I don't know too much about that. PM if interested.....

Quality loss through a re-encode is not necessarily inevitable if the bitrates are maintained or even exceeded for ease of encoding. Even if they are not, many seem to be happy with the extra 50% compression in x264 re-encodes.

The real issue is the right filters to undo the tint without affecting something else.

It's a sad day when the enthusiast has to resort to re-encoding to get a decent result for a popular title.

Personally, I'm more miffed that the theatrical cut, the version of the film that was nominated for 13 oscars, got a lousy-enough transfer to warrant a tier copper ranking.

To me, the lack of absolute white in FOTR's extended blu-ray transfer is the only sign there may have been a screw-up. But who knows? Maybe Jackson and Lesnie intended this. I don't see a blanket tint, that's for sure. The green is more prominent in the Shire daytime exteriors than in previous transfers, but Caradhras looks blue, not green. As for brightness issues, we've seen comparisons between the transfers showing there is actually more clarity during certain scenes in the extended. Dig up eric.exe's fotr theatrical screenshot thread, cinema squid's theatrical screenshots and the shots from the extended at blu-ray.com. Closeups of Aragorn looking at weathertop and of Arwen at the Ford of Bruinen look hands down better in the extended transfer.

We have to remember that the previous transfers are not only telecines of filmouts of the DI, but telecines of filmouts of the incomplete DI. That's two huge variables to take into account. This straight-from-the-DI transfer was always gonna look different.

Also, didn't someone in this thread talk about how Towers and King always looked a lot brighter than the first movie even back in the dvd days????

So is TF3 3D version, but nothing is done about that either. Seems like once the titles are released the studios couldn't give a rats arse any more so we all have to suffer.

I'm still going to assume that the LOTR Trilogy will be re-released in HD with further tweaks/enhancements/scenes and probably soon after The Hobbit comes out on video.

Then The Hobbit will get yet another re-release with an extended cut just like what happened with LOTR. Probably with 4k Blu-ray along with 2D/3D @ 48 fps.

Then we'll see a penultimate release of the entire series...

Point being, I think I'll wait and not have to deal with this particular release and its issues.

yeah pj is going lucas on us.

still working my way through the trilogy, but really surprised about all the new material added to the 2 towers and return of the king. don't know what the run times for each are (3-4 hours?) , but they're so long i fell asleep before the end of each. will re-watch this week with an earlier start time.

Your not the only one to fall asleep

To fall asleep during LOTR? Blasphemous.

I don't think I've ever fallen asleep during a film, videogame, web-surfing, or TV show. Something about the glow of a screen keeps me awake endlessly. None of my friends or family seem able to stay awake for things, yet I'll be wide awake while 7 others sleep around me.

It's my gift. It's my curse. LOL

I'm the same. I have fond memories of sitting on a couch with 6 sleeping people watching Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Two different times.

Bickering and condescending posts have been removed and infractions issued to the posters of same. Further non-constructive posts will be removed and the author(s) banned from the thread with no further notice.

Does anyone know if the new release of the Extended Editions (UPC 794043151293) that comes out in the US on 22 May is meant to correct any of the color problems talked about in this thread? Same list price, $119.98, so it is not a reduced price release. What gives?
John

Good question.

http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Pic...6715495&sr=1-1

Amazon listed the set comes on "one" disc. Everything must be super compressed since there are viewers who hate to swap the disc.

Maybe the only difference is the new edition doesn't include the code for Digital Copy because the original edition Digital Copy is going to expire.

Hmm...

So... who is going to be the brave one and buy the new UPC? Somehow I doubt highly that this will be fixed. Also, Gladiator was fixed and sent out under the same UPC as well as different UPCs. UPCs are not necessarily exclusive.

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

It's not like I don't like LOTR, I just want to to look as good as it possibly can be. If they fix this, I'll be there day one throwing money at them.

Unless the "broken" edition complains impacted the sales, why would WB rush to fix it especially Peter Jackson said it's intended to look that way?

The cheapest method to re-release the Extended edition after the Digital Copy has expired is either extend the expiration date or re-released the same edition without Digital Copy code and new UPC code since it's technically a different "edition".

My guess is until WB has run out supply of the bonus materials on DVD discs and Extended Edition price has dropped much lower at regular retail price, they may reauthor all the bonus materials onto fewer Blu-ray discs or drop the discs. Also, until WB has officially said FOTR "green tint" is a remastering error, I don't think they have the reason to fix it.

Just look at how "newer" edition of Blu-ray movies are done. Most just get a new slip-on cover. Some earlier Blu-ray movies that never got TrueDolby or DTS Master got a new art insert with the same original disc. I have a few older 2-disc Blu-ray movies got "new" edition as single disc and dropped all bonus materials. If you watch the pattern, repackaging with all or fewer original edition is Hollywood favorite thing to do. Cheapest and trick some buyers to buy the same movies they already own. I almost want to say Blu-ray is getting fewer quality "remastered" compared to earlier DVD days.

No he didnt we have been thru this.

Jackson & Lesnie never commented on the color re-grading. You will not find a press release or quotation from Jackson or Lesnie about the green tint.

On the bonus features they specifically outline the entire digital grading process the film went through. It is a carry-over from the DVD release and it shows them commenting on the initial color grading process for the theatrical presentation (and that it was carried over to the eventual EE release,) it has nothing to do with the color timing specific to this blu. The same bonus feature was present on the original EE DVD release.

The only official comment dealing with the issue is that Warner PR dept statement.

I must be out of date on the info because I stopped following a month after the Extended Edition. Does make you wonder after the remastering of FOTR was completed, who sign off the quality control. Or they knew about the "green tint" was an error but they didn't want to do another remastering due to time and cost.