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post #5011 of 5570
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

I was thinking about this the other day, and theorized that they might do a 3D conversion of these films, if the 3D in The Hobbit works well. Then we'll get a new transfer, hopefully without the tint.

The question of fixing FOTR tint, say in upconverted 3D version with "correct" tint is WB just admitted they have been lying for years about the "blue" tiny is normal. And if WB does also correct the 2D version tint, does WB want to deal with previous owners that already own the movie for years?

But after a few years, WB can also see it as the opportunity to multi-dip by releasing fixed FOTR tint by calling it the enhanced version. WB already improved FOTR from the theater edition and there's no reason why WB can't say they improved or rather correct the tint of FOTR after a few years later. Remember, if there's new profit to be make for multi-dip, the studio usually will do it. I wouldn't be surprised if WB already quietly fixed FOTR tint but refused to release it today as corrected version (It's cheaper for WB to insist the company that did the LOTR extended edition Blu-ray conversion to produce good or correct tint version. Even this is true, WB does not have to sell the corrected tint version today or ever) . Anyone has access to WB's "vault" that keeps different versions of their popular movies?
post #5012 of 5570
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Originally Posted by Vortex3D View Post

The question of fixing FOTR tint, say in upconverted 3D version with "correct" tint is WB just admitted they have been lying for years about the "blue" tint is normal.
Not necessarily. It's my belief that WB doesn't actually know what we're complaining about.

The problem is that PJ and crew did go back and make a few changes to the coloring, of a few specific scenes. Because of the "drastic" difference those scenes provided, those were the screenshots that everyone used to illustrate the green tint, scenes that had been legitimately altered at the director's order. The scenes in the snow are the most obvious. So, WB just said "No, no, that's intentional" and ignored all the other complaints from then on.

That's why I referenced the image that covers color timing of pure white throughout the entire film. That's the screenshot that needs to be shown to someone who's in a position to do something about it.
post #5013 of 5570
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

I bought the 15-disc set at BB's one-day sale. I watched 1 hour of LOTR:FOTR on my 24" monitor and could see the effect of the tint - i.e., true whites were just not there, though the scenes weren't as bad as they looked at caps-a-holic. For the most part it has not been objectionable, and the increase in PQ compared to the DVD makes it worth it. Yeah, I wish it weren't there, but I'd still rather watch the BD than the DVD even if it is slightly off-color. In 5-6 years or so when we get the 4K or 8K version of both it and all 3 parts of The Hobbit, maybe they'll fix it.

What about the overall darkening of the movie though. That would annoy me even more. Can you tell if there is less shadow detail in general? How about in dark scenes. From the side by side comparison on youtube, it seems like a lot of detail is lost even in the shadows in normally bright scenes. That's unacceptable to me.
post #5014 of 5570
It may very well be that "The Hobbit" gets tealed or greened: any re-release of the Trilogy might then be colour corrected to match "The Hobbit" for consistency with WB saying that anyone who wants different colours can stick with the Theatrical or Extended previous versions.

Since many seem happy enough with the colours in the FOTR Theatrical version, it might be an interesting experiment to use the chroma from the Theatrical edition and the Luma from the Extended edition and see if that works. I think someone worked out a colour correction for the Extended edition, so perhaps that might be better to apply as the extended scenes would then get attention.
post #5015 of 5570
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

Not necessarily. It's my belief that WB doesn't actually know what we're complaining about.
The problem is that PJ and crew did go back and make a few changes to the coloring, of a few specific scenes. Because of the "drastic" difference those scenes provided, those were the screenshots that everyone used to illustrate the green tint, scenes that had been legitimately altered at the director's order. The scenes in the snow are the most obvious. So, WB just said "No, no, that's intentional" and ignored all the other complaints from then on.
That's why I referenced the image that covers color timing of pure white throughout the entire film. That's the screenshot that needs to be shown to someone who's in a position to do something about it.

however, the green tint and overall darkness was absolutely not present for the special theatrical screening of the EE FOTR that coincided with the bluray release. the color timing was already a hot issue on forums when i went to see it and i was specifically looking for it. it just wasnt there...
post #5016 of 5570
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Originally Posted by mcantu1 View Post

the color timing was already a hot issue on forums when i went to see it and i was specifically looking for it. it just wasnt there...
Without a reference for the projector's white point I doubt you'd be able to tell if it was there.
post #5017 of 5570
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Without a reference for the projector's white point I doubt you'd be able to tell if it was there.

yet i do notice it when watching the BD at home.
post #5018 of 5570
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Originally Posted by mcantu1 View Post

yet i do notice it when watching the BD at home.
Hope you'll understand my skepticism when me and many other people simply do not see a blanket tint in normal viewing. The snow on Caradharas? Blue-ish to white... nothing like the screenshots referenced to the white point of the monitor.
post #5019 of 5570
The volcano in New Zealand is erupting right now....maybe the hobbit part 2 will have a shade of grey??? biggrin.gif
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I thought all the live action was done and in the can for all three
post #5021 of 5570
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I thought all the live action was done and in the can for all three

You are correct. Shooting finished a short time ago as the additional footage did not take long to shoot nor was it extensive. It's basically filler material.
post #5022 of 5570
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

The volcano in New Zealand is erupting right now....maybe the hobbit part 2 will have a shade of grey??? biggrin.gif

we don't want any hobbit porn, thanks
post #5023 of 5570
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Hope you'll understand my skepticism when me and many other people simply do not see a blanket tint in normal viewing. The snow on Caradharas? Blue-ish to white... nothing like the screenshots referenced to the white point of the monitor.

This has been hashed out over and over again. It is not simply people's opinion. People have pointed meters at their known-calibration sets on the fade-to-white shots, comparing theatrical vs. extended edition. The theatrical edition Blu-ray has been ripped to a computer, as well as the extended edition. Analysis software has confirmed all white points are now darker and greener. The Caradharas we supposed to be bluer than the theatrical as part of the update. Instead, they are a dimmer, blue-green. The scenes that haven't been changed (other than the "error") are simply dimmer and greener. Even the credits are tinted. Not a single person who has actually done some sort of measurement has found white that is not dimmed.

We've been going by measurements here as well as testimony, not just someone who "simply does not see a blanket tint."
post #5024 of 5570
I like green. It helps my soul and i don't think it's really a big deal considering how flucked up this world is right now..... tongue.gif
post #5025 of 5570
Wow more than a year later people are still going on about the green tint, think it is time to let it go.
post #5026 of 5570
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Originally Posted by swanlee View Post

Wow more than a year later people are still going on about the green tint, think it is time to let it go.

Surely you jest. You must not realize where you are:

post #5027 of 5570
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

This has been hashed out over and over again. It is not simply people's opinion. People have pointed meters at their known-calibration sets on the fade-to-white shots, comparing theatrical vs. extended edition. The theatrical edition Blu-ray has been ripped to a computer, as well as the extended edition. Analysis software has confirmed all white points are now darker and greener. The Caradharas we supposed to be bluer than the theatrical as part of the update. Instead, they are a dimmer, blue-green. The scenes that haven't been changed (other than the "error") are simply dimmer and greener. Even the credits are tinted. Not a single person who has actually done some sort of measurement has found white that is not dimmed.
We've been going by measurements here as well as testimony, not just someone who "simply does not see a blanket tint."
Well that's just my point: using a meter or doing any kind of empirical measurement is very different from watching it in a theater (or home theater), since your perception of color is anything but empirical. If I didn't compare my disc to the white point of my TV then I wouldn't know the snow on Caradharas had a green tint, since after a few minutes my brain automatically white-balanced its vision, as brains are known to do.
post #5028 of 5570
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Well that's just my point: using a meter or doing any kind of empirical measurement is very different from watching it in a theater (or home theater), since your perception of color is anything but empirical. If I didn't compare my disc to the white point of my TV then I wouldn't know the snow on Caradharas had a green tint, since after a few minutes my brain automatically white-balanced its vision, as brains are known to do.

Excellent post and spot on ..
post #5029 of 5570
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Well that's just my point: using a meter or doing any kind of empirical measurement is very different from watching it in a theater (or home theater), since your perception of color is anything but empirical. If I didn't compare my disc to the white point of my TV then I wouldn't know the snow on Caradharas had a green tint, since after a few minutes my brain automatically white-balanced its vision, as brains are known to do.

That's a silly argument. That's almost like saying you could watch an old vhs tape on your setup and "adapt" to the antiquated lo-res picture quality.
post #5030 of 5570
Here is my take on it.....

Some scenes seemed to yellow to me.
The snow was not as white as I remember it, seemed to have a bluish cast to it.
I did not notice any lost details in the mines.

The movies clarity was better than I have ever seen it and I am happy with it and will watch it again. There was not enough of a distraction from the original to act all indignant about the way WB is saying it was corrected.
post #5031 of 5570
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

That's a silly argument. That's almost like saying you could watch an old vhs tape on your setup and "adapt" to the antiquated lo-res picture quality.

Almost as silly as saying we cannot "adapt" to it.

2.adjust to something: to become, or make somebody or something become, used to a new environment or different conditions


Very easy to do and humans are known to adapt all the time and to many different things. I do not know of anything in the brain the would refuse to adapt to this condition either.
post #5032 of 5570
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

That's a silly argument. That's almost like saying you could watch an old vhs tape on your setup and "adapt" to the antiquated lo-res picture quality.

Not really a good comparison .. additional resolution is not in the same ballpark as brain adapted white balance ..
post #5033 of 5570
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

That's a silly argument. That's almost like saying you could watch an old vhs tape on your setup and "adapt" to the antiquated lo-res picture quality.
No, the visual system has no provision to normalize resolution. But its ability to white balance isn't something I'm making up here, its a well known part of how vision works, and compensating for it is an integral function of any digital camera or film stock. If you've ever worn tinted ski goggles or something, then you should be very familiar with how your eyes dial out the tint after a few minutes. Pretty much every other page of the thread someone thinks they got a remastered non-green disc even though theres no such thing.
post #5034 of 5570
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Originally Posted by swanlee View Post

Wow more than a year later people are still going on about the green tint, think it is time to let it go.
Some of us just acquired the set, and want to beat on that dead horse a little. tongue.gif

I looked at my FOTR EE and thought it looked OK, then I found the post below and decided it looked exactly the same as screenshot #2 (i.e. like crap) and became unhappy. Question I'm struggling with: do I re-encode the thing using a member's instructions earlier, or do I spend 3+ hours watching the movie and possibly regretting it. I dunno yet...

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Originally Posted by amoergosum View Post

You don't need a histogram in order to tell that the EE is underexposed in many scenes

but here's a comparison...it's interesting to see the difference >>>

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The TE is available at Wal-Mart for $3.96. Don't know if it's worth getting just for the corrected color and some additional shadow and highlight detail, seeing as I'd rarely watch it - I like my movies extended: LOTR, KING KONG (Jackson), THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE (unfortunately only in DVD, not BD), DAS BOOT.
post #5037 of 5570
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Some of us just acquired the set, and want to beat on that dead horse a little. tongue.gif
I looked at my FOTR EE and thought it looked OK, then I found the post below and decided it looked exactly the same as screenshot #2 (i.e. like crap) and became unhappy. Question I'm struggling with: do I re-encode the thing using a member's instructions earlier, or do I spend 3+ hours watching the movie and possibly regretting it. I dunno yet...
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I put this up way back in post #1518, and thought I would put it up again to go along with those shots you just showed.wink.gif
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post #5038 of 5570
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Well that's just my point: using a meter or doing any kind of empirical measurement is very different from watching it in a theater (or home theater), since your perception of color is anything but empirical. If I didn't compare my disc to the white point of my TV then I wouldn't know the snow on Caradharas had a green tint, since after a few minutes my brain automatically white-balanced its vision, as brains are known to do.

This, as well, has been discussed over and over. The bottom line is that some people do adjust and have no problem, while others it sticks out like a sore thumb and drives them crazy, to everywhere in-between. If you are one that it doesn't bother, then great. But that doesn't change the fact that many are bothered by the color timing on something that is questionably a mistake. There were even test images put up that people could load onto their USB sticks and put in their blu-ray players to view full screen in the proper environment in order for them to make a purchasing decision with regard to whether or not they would notice the green tint and whether it would bother them. Some had no problem, others did.

In addition to the color, the fact that the whole movie has been darkened 14% is something very real as well. There are people who prefer brightness over contrast and keep their systems calibrated at specific foot-lambert levels, tweaking irises as the bulb ages, etc. For them, this will be a very noticeably dim movie. Again, other's mileage may vary.

The thing we still don't have a 100% answer on is whether those were ARE bothered by it are bothered because it was intentional, or is a mistake.
post #5039 of 5570
The Caradhras scene was one of the ones that was intentionally changed by PJ. It's not an example of the green tint. So stop posting it, please.
post #5040 of 5570
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Originally Posted by mcantu1 View Post

for those that werent around 40 pages ago:
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http://cdn.avsforum.com/0/0e/0ef49c4d_vbattach214800.gif
My EE does NOT look like this gif however.
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