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post #5371 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

Then the Lord of the Rings films (and the new Hobbit films, for that matter) aren't for you. It's as simple as that.

In fact, you'll probably be much happier watching films from the previous century if you don't want your films to be digitally graded. Of course, that's assuming that you're okay watching films that have been timed photochemically.

^^^ This .. and like I've said many times before, I prefer to simply enjoy the films .. the continued obsession on this thread and others over Gandalfs beard tint somehow seems so silly .. wink.gif
post #5372 of 5568
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

^^^ This .. and like I've said many times before, I prefer to simply enjoy the films .. the continued obsession on this thread and others over Gandalfs beard tint somehow seems so silly .. wink.gif

If the name of this forum was Quilting and Scrapbook Science, then I'd agree with you. But it isn't. This is a forum for those who obsess over video and audio quality, and focus on the small differences that J6P can't see or hear, or doesn't care about.

It's so strange to me how people complain about a discussion, no matter how long or circular, on a website built for discussion.
post #5373 of 5568
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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

If the name of this forum was Quilting and Scrapbook Science, then I'd agree with you. But it isn't. This is a forum for those who obsess over video and audio quality, and focus on the small differences that J6P can't see or hear, or doesn't care about.

It's so strange to me how people complain about a discussion, no matter how long or circular, on a website built for discussion.

It stopped being a discussion some time ago .. it has reached the "beating a dead horse" stage ..
post #5374 of 5568
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

It stopped being a discussion some time ago .. it has reached the "beating a dead horse" stage ..

There are still people who want to talk about it, and being on a discussion forum, that shouldn't be an issue. When I don't want to participate in a thread, I ignore it, I don't chime in and tell the people still talking about something I've long since lost interest in, that they need their heads examined for continuing the debate. For many, they weren't involved in the beginning discussions and would still like to weigh in, give their impression, and let their voice be heard. I fail to see the problem in that.
post #5375 of 5568
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There are still people who want to talk about it, and being on a discussion forum, that shouldn't be an issue. When I don't want to participate in a thread, I ignore it, I don't chime in and tell the people still talking about something I've long since lost interest in, that they need their heads examined for continuing the debate. For many, they weren't involved in the beginning discussions and would still like to weigh in, give their impression, and let their voice be heard. I fail to see the problem in that.

Since I don't recall quoting any post of yours, I don't believe I've ever taken you to task on your personal thoughts .. thus, there is no problem AFAIC ..

We that don't want to talk about it or read posts that are a continual repeat of long beaten to death topics consider the dragging on of the topic to be nothing but a continued gripe session ..

The only people hearing your voice are right here, and they have heard it from others so it's nothing new .. that's why it's called a thread ..

Like I said before, I prefer to praise the entertainment value and not lose that within the context ..

You may now feel free to have a final word, as I'm sure you will .. I'm out ..
post #5376 of 5568
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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

If the name of this forum was Quilting and Scrapbook Science, then I'd agree with you. But it isn't. This is a forum for those who obsess over video and audio quality, and focus on the small differences that J6P can't see or hear, or doesn't care about.

It's so strange to me how people complain about a discussion, no matter how long or circular, on a website built for discussion.

Exactly. And what does it tell you when your fellow obsessive enthusiasts are telling you that you're beating a dead horse?

Oh, wait. It must mean your standards are higher than everyone else's... rolleyes.gif
post #5377 of 5568
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Since I don't recall quoting any post of yours, I don't believe I've ever taken you to task on your personal thoughts .. thus, there is no problem AFAIC ..

We that don't want to talk about it or read posts that are a continual repeat of long beaten to death topics consider the dragging on of the topic to be nothing but a continued gripe session ..

The only people hearing your voice are right here, and they have heard it from others so it's nothing new .. that's why it's called a thread ..

Like I said before, I prefer to praise the entertainment value and not lose that within the context ..

You may now feel free to have a final word, as I'm sure you will .. I'm out ..

Ah, well I give thanks for your allowance of my final word, and I will give it.

I don't have to have been taken to task by someone, to be able to speak my mind on something they've said. If I did, no one would ever "take anyone to task on their personal thoughts".

If you prefer to praise whatever it is that you prefer to praise, then great. Please do so. But I see no reason for anyone to try and stop discussion on a discussion forum, no matter how many times they've said their peace. I'm sure you realize that there has been no new release of the EE, and no public statement by PJ that was specific to what we're talking about. So any time you choose to click on the thread, you already know that the likelihood of you being subjected to someone's opinion that has been stated over and over is quite high. Yet you blame someone else for your being subjected to it. I don't understand the logic.
post #5378 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

Exactly. And what does it tell you when your fellow obsessive enthusiasts are telling you that you're beating a dead horse?

Oh, wait. It must mean your standards are higher than everyone else's... rolleyes.gif

Some people expect more out of things than others. In the old days, there wasn't as much of a divide as there is now. But now, yes, I have seen that my standards seem to be higher than many on these forums, and I see nothing wrong with that or saying it.
post #5379 of 5568
Move on.

S~
post #5380 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Exactly. Also, keep in mind that in the supplements included in the original DVD EE release (and included once again in the newest BD EE release) PJ and Lesnie outlined extremely specifically how EXACTLY they intended certain portions to appear and the new blanket green tint on the BD versions completely contradicts their stated philosophy. THIS, for example. He says that in Hobbiton they had to specifically remove green to achieve their desired affect, yet the green tint added to the new BD release is in direct contradiction to every single thing Jackson and Lesnie speak in great detail about.... and it completely changes the perception of those types of scenes. They're on film saying "I did not want to do 'This' to such and such scene and here's why" yet on the BD release "This" was exactly what was done to those scenes.

+1
3:50 especially
link again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M4zRMLbZZxw#t=226
post #5381 of 5568
Has anybody already made a comparison with the scenes of FOTR that are included in the Hobbit appendices?
post #5382 of 5568
Good idea! Someone get on that!
post #5383 of 5568
$49.99 today at Best Buy stores and on their website as a "Deal Of The Day". Get it with those Christmas gift cards if you have any!
post #5384 of 5568
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

$49.99 today at Best Buy stores and on their website as a "Deal Of The Day". Get it with those Christmas gift cards if you have any!

There's no way I'm going to get LOTR right now because I'll just have to rebuy it when Jackson tweaks it with Hobbit footage (like when Bilbo recollects his first meeting with Gollum) and redoes Gollum's CG in Fellowship to match the other two films. He's stated numerous times that's what his plans were once The Hobbit was completed.
post #5385 of 5568
Agreed. Let's not line that green/black crush lovin b@st@rd's pockets any more than they already are. Wait for the definitive definitive version.
post #5386 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

There's no way I'm going to get LOTR right now because I'll just have to rebuy it when Jackson tweaks it with Hobbit footage (like when Bilbo recollects his first meeting with Gollum) and redoes Gollum's CG in Fellowship to match the other two films. He's stated numerous times that's what his plans were once The Hobbit was completed.

The eventual 3D 4K version with re-done VFX and all that won't come until after the rest of the Avatar films are done as those are financing Wingnut and Friends for the foreseeable future. That's a LONG way off.
post #5387 of 5568
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

The eventual 3D 4K version with re-done VFX and all that won't come until after the rest of the Avatar films are done as those are financing Wingnut and Friends for the foreseeable future. That's a LONG way off.

Well we can at last wait for him to include the 3 hobbits. Guarantee there are extras on that version.
post #5388 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

Agreed. Let's not line that green/black crush lovin b@st@rd's pockets any more than they already are. Wait for the definitive definitive version.

GMAFB. rolleyes.gif

To be clear, you still haven't actually watched the title you're bashing, right?
post #5389 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

Wait for the definitive definitive version.
I am waiting for the ultimate final definitive definitive version, which will simply be the last one released before Jackson dies. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Aficionado84 View Post

Has anybody already made a comparison with the scenes of FOTR that are included in the Hobbit appendices?
I did this on one scene (birthday party), but I haven't had time to put together screen shots or anything. My findings:
  • The sharpness is still there - ie, it looks like the new transfer and not the theatrical transfer.
  • The green tint is still there.
  • The white level issue has been fixed - the Hobbit appendices is noticeably brighter, and the shadow details are more visible.
  • The green tint is LESS on the Hobbit appendices version. About 3% less saturation in the whites (measured with photoshop color picker).

This furthers the theory that the green tint is intentional, but is stronger than it is supposed to be because of the botched white level. The white level and tint should have been more like the strength found on the Hobbit movie.

If I can find the time, I'll put together screenshots.
post #5390 of 5568
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

I am waiting for the ultimate final definitive definitive version, which will simply be the last one released before Jackson dies. biggrin.gif

Will that be after he has grandkids and creates the fanbase-destroying revisionist version with Ewoks oliphants that blink?
post #5391 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

GMAFB. rolleyes.gif

To be clear, you still haven't actually watched the title you're bashing, right?

GMAFB my arse. All I have to do is rely on trusty (unbiased) reports like the one below. Why should I waste my money on an even slightly faulty or incomplete version? Do you watch (worship) the films once a week or something? I might want to see them once more during my entire lifespan. Please tell me why it must be now.
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

I am waiting for the ultimate final definitive definitive version, which will simply be the last one released before Jackson dies. biggrin.gif
I did this on one scene (birthday party), but I haven't had time to put together screen shots or anything. My findings:
  • The sharpness is still there - ie, it looks like the new transfer and not the theatrical transfer.
  • The green tint is still there.
  • The white level issue has been fixed - the Hobbit appendices is noticeably brighter, and the shadow details are more visible.
  • The green tint is LESS on the Hobbit appendices version. About 3% less saturation in the whites (measured with photoshop color picker).

This furthers the theory that the green tint is intentional, but is stronger than it is supposed to be because of the botched white level. The white level and tint should have been more like the strength found on the Hobbit movie.

If I can find the time, I'll put together screenshots.
post #5392 of 5568
Here's quick mock-up. In a previous post of mine, I found using the screenshots on Blu-ray.com, that comparing the white levels of FOTR Extended and The Hobbit Exteneded, white in FOTR was underexposed and approx 13% saturation of green, and in The Hobbit it was properly exposed and about 7% saturation of green.

This image here taken from Blu-ray.com shows the original image (only 11% green saturation in the whites) compared to the same image with the white levels and green saturation adjusted to 7%, to match the level in The Hobbit. It is still tinted green, but a big difference from the original.

post #5393 of 5568
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

Here's quick mock-up. In a previous post of mine, I found using the screenshots on Blu-ray.com, that comparing the white levels of FOTR Extended and The Hobbit Exteneded, white in FOTR was underexposed and approx 13% saturation of green, and in The Hobbit it was properly exposed and about 7% saturation of green.

This image here taken from Blu-ray.com shows the original image (only 11% green saturation in the whites) compared to the same image with the white levels and green saturation adjusted to 7%, to match the level in The Hobbit. It is still tinted green, but a big difference from the original.


mmmmmm...deeeeetaaaaaiiiil.....zzzzzzeeprecioussssss
post #5394 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

GMAFB my arse.
rolleyes.gif That makes no sense, but whatever.
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

All I have to do is rely on trusty (unbiased) reports like the one below. Why should I waste my money on an even slightly faulty or incomplete version?
So, no - you still haven't watched this version yet, despite the many times you've bashed both it and Peter Jackson. Got it.
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

Do you watch (worship) the films once a week or something? I might want to see them once more during my entire lifespan. Please tell me why it must be now.
And at long last, we finally get an admission for something that astute readers have long since figured out on their own - that you're clearly not much of a fan of these films. Which would naturally beg the question, what is motivating you to post so many times about something you not only have no intention of purchasing, but also have no interest in watching more than one more time ever?

Sad, really. All that vitriol over something that means so little to you...
Edited by Steeb - 1/23/14 at 3:30pm
post #5395 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

rolleyes.gif That makes no sense, but whatever.
Makes perfect sense. What makes no sense is your continued defense of a man with whom you have no association.
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

So, no - you still haven't watched this version yet, despite the many times you've bashed both it and Peter Jackson. Got it.
REPEAT Why would I waste time and money on a version that so many have shown to be sub par? REPEAT
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

And at long last, we finally get an admission for something that astute readers have long since figured out on their own - that you're clearly not much of a fan of these films. Which would naturally beg the question, what is motivating you to post so many times about something you not only have no intention of purchasing, but also have no interest in watching more than one more time ever?

Sad, really. All that vitriol over something that means so little to you...
Laugh jovially out loud....does it really take an astute reader to come up with your incredible deep observation? There's a huge difference between being a fan and being a mindless drone. What NON-astute readers have realized by now is that you have allowed your idolization of these films and their creator to blind you and inspire you to attack all those who besmirch their Blu-Ray incarnation.

So sad.

What is also sad is that you can't take a joke. I love posting in this thread. It's fun to spread the word that someone screwed up on a major motion picture transfer to blu-ray. It takes but a couple of minutes of my day, every few months, to respond to this thread, for which I have an alert. Little enough effort for the enjoyment; well worth the opportunity to share the hope, with fellow radicals, that one day, we might have a better version!

And I am a fan of the movies, so I hope to purchase a corrected version some day and watch all 25 hours of them once again. (how many times, exactly, does one have to view the films in order to be granted entrance into your "fan" kingdom?)

What I can't understand is your vitriol against anyone who wants to see good films preserved and presented in a way that pleases the viewer. Do you lurk Star Wars forums and shoot down anyone who claims that Han shot first? Do you defend Lucas when the heathen cry NOOOoooooooo! at the NoooOOOOooooooooo!! ? Join us brother! Fight for a better tomorrow. Remove the scales form your eyes and see our passion for what it is; the crusade for LORD OF THE RINGS PERFECTION!!!! smile.gif
post #5396 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

REPEAT Why would I waste time and money on a version that so many have shown to be sub par? REPEAT
I think you're now reaching for exasperation.
You can probably count the people stating it's "sub par" probably on one hand.

Not sure how anyone can watch/enjoy a movie using a microscope and analyzing it frame by frame but to each their own.
post #5397 of 5568
Who needs a microscope when it's 120"? biggrin.gif
post #5398 of 5568
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

I think you're now reaching for exasperation.
You can probably count the people stating it's "sub par" probably on one hand.

Not sure how anyone can watch/enjoy a movie using a microscope and analyzing it frame by frame but to each their own.

People who have shown the flaws with FOTR are like cockroaches; where one shows up in a forum, there are 1000 more behind the walls....and YOU can't kill all of us. smile.gif

You are missing the point, BTW. I will not purchase this flawed set for now because I don't WANT to end up being distracted and annoyed. I'd rather watch something that I can enjoy. And this is AVSForums. If you expect to find people who don't examine things under a microscope, then you are in the wrong place.
post #5399 of 5568
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Not sure how anyone can watch/enjoy a movie using a microscope and analyzing it frame by frame but to each their own.

I don't need a microscope to see color.
post #5400 of 5568
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

People who have shown the flaws with FOTR are like cockroaches; where one shows up in a forum, there are 1000 more behind the walls....and YOU can't kill all of us. smile.gif

You are missing the point, BTW. I will not purchase this flawed set for now because I don't WANT to end up being distracted and annoyed. I'd rather watch something that I can enjoy. And this is AVSForums. If you expect to find people who don't examine things under a microscope, then you are in the wrong place.

You're saying you won't buy it / watch it because of a few scenes having what some might consider a color shift that they consider somehow sacrilegious .. ??

And that the sheer beauty, plot, directing, effects, sound quality etc cannot and do not outweigh the minor flaws .. ??

Just trying to clarify .. because if this is true, you are denying yourself some of the best HT experience out there ..
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